Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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brightfame52

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What do you mean faith as consequence of grace what verse say that.

Jesus say
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Whoever believe save
Do save is consequent of grace and believe you reverse friend
The believer believes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

The word through is the prep dia which means:

through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
 

Jackson123

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The believer believes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

The word through is the prep dia which means:

through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Grace of love is for whosoever but believe is up to every body
To us the grace of love cause us believe to other the grace of love do not cause them believe
 
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The confusion is really not this OP's absurd doctrine.

What is it ????? is this...

Who decided for the Body of Christ that J. Calvin and J. Arminius, have decided for the "body of Christ", what we have to believe or not?
Who decided this for you???

All these churches and all these forum members who can rant endlessly about Mary, Calvin's teaching, Arminius's teaching, water baptism, commandments, and what the Pope said.......yet, if you asked them to explain the "blood atonement", they'd have to go to wikepedia to try to figure it out to then post and pretend they knew it all along.
And if you asked them.....>"What is the Preaching of the Cross"......that Paul said Christ sent him and me and you to DO.......they'd have no idea, and would have to go to wikipedia, once again.....to then cut and paste and PRETEND they knew all along.

And about that "pre-destined to be conformed, according to the Foreknowledge of God" ......that has been twisted by heretics to teach the LIE that God chooses some to be born so that they are burned in the lake of fire, having no option to be able to trust in Christ and go to Heaven.
These heretics teach that God only gives the Cross for SOME. These deceived teach that Jesus's Blood is not offered to ALL.

And what ive noticed, is that this "some" who are the ELECT who teach this theological vomit...... its always them and their family and church who are the Elect.........but probably not you or your family.
For you and your family and your church, its 50/50 if you are LUCKY.

Just remember that this predestined to burn in hell doctrine.... is anti-God, anti-Christ, and anti-Cross.
Dont let them get you caught up in it,.... as this heresy is one of the Devil's best he ever created and he will blind you with it as well...
 

Jackson123

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Just remember that this predestined to burn in hell doctrine.... is anti-God, anti-Christ, and anti-Cross.
Yep God love every body but not saved every body and election to be save require faith
 

brightfame52

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#48
Yep God love every body but not saved every body and election to be save require faith
If election required mans faith then its no more of grace, for election is of grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 

Jackson123

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If election required mans faith then its no more of grace, for election is of grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
The fact that God love the world is a grace we not deserve to be love by God but it is Jesus who say to be save require believe

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

That whosoever BELIEVE ..........HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
 

brightfame52

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The fact that God love the world is a grace we not deserve to be love by God but it is Jesus who say to be save require believe

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

That whosoever BELIEVE ..........HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
If you make any requirements for election you must forget about Grace.
 

Jackson123

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If you make any requirements for election you must forget about Grace.
I am not but Jesus did

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 

brightfame52

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I am not but Jesus did

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
No Jesus didnt, you posting not Jesus. Election is of Grace !
 

Jackson123

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No Jesus didnt, you posting not Jesus. Election is of Grace !
And Jesus posting whosoever believe saved

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 

brightfame52

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And Jesus posting whosoever believe saved

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
You seem to be evading the subject, unconditional election, read the OP again
 

Jackson123

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You seem to be evading the subject, unconditional election, read the OP again
I am not evading, but Jesus not agree with the subject read what Jesus say

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 

brightfame52

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I am not evading, but Jesus not agree with the subject read what Jesus say

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Yes you are evading, read the op again.
 

Jackson123

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Yes you are evading, read the op again.
Evading and disagree is 2 different word. What I read from john 3:16 is Jesus not agree with this subject, Jesus state whosoever believe not without requirement
 

brightfame52

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Evading and disagree is 2 different word. What I read from john 3:16 is Jesus not agree with this subject, Jesus state whosoever believe not without requirement
You are evading and starting a rabbit trail. This is about unconditional election, did you understand the OP ? How did i establish my points, with what scripture ?
 

Jackson123

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You are evading and starting a rabbit trail. This is about unconditional election, did you understand the OP ? How did i establish my points, with what scripture ?
Unconditional election accused God as favoritism and unfair. God not doing random election either He elect base on faith
 

CS1

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Unconditional election accused God as favoritism and unfair. God not doing random election either He elect base on faith
man did that not God with the doctrine :)