Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

[JesusLives]

In my Judaizer days I have actually gotten days off on saturday by saying "I cant its the sabbath" lol.

Its crazy how much in our political correct society even employers can be pushed around by a religion they dont even believe in

Obviously now today I would not want to be a nuisance to my employer and would agree to work on WHENEVER work is available.

So you were a former Sabbath keeper? Just curious.

 

[JesusLives]

Ah there it is. Your one relative is catholic, another one is SDA, that is why you are defending them.

Atleast they are in christianese cults.

We had someone in this forum who was going to a church and then found themselves in a hindu temple, but it was fine because they were "nice". Oy vey!

Sound familiar?

Actually the trip by mistake to the Hindu temple was a mission trip. Even though we thought we were going to attend a SDA church as that was the address given I insisted that we go ahead and attend this church on Sabbath.

As we walked into an empty room except for one older man I noticed he didn't have on any shoes and asked if we should take off our shoes which he said yes and we went back outside and took off our shoes. We went back in and I asked if this was a SDA church and he said no. I had already figured that out as there were lots of statues at the front with benches on the sides of the building so I told him we had never been to a Hindu temple before and asked him what we should do? He told me that people come to meditate and pray so that's what we did. We sat down for a while and then went to the front where the statues were knelt down and I said a prayer to God.

I told Him that we were not there to worship the statues in front of us but to worship Him and if I could help share Jesus with this man that I'd be able to do so. We gave the man an offering for his church and he shared some tea and a little food with us and before we left I gave him a tract on Christianity which he took and I thanked him for helping us with our visit to his temple and then we left and as we were leaving he had sat back down and was reading the tract I had given him.

To me that was an appointment set up by God and who knows what the result of this contact will be? It is never wrong to learn of someone else's way to worship and treat others with respect and kindness as this gentleman showed us and that we showed him...

 

[JesusLives]

Does peddling false doctrine and using deception by hiding their identities on various SDA "front" websites to snare people - yes definitely.

If you support them you need to reassess you and yer missus.

What's the missus like at serving apples up in a pie?

I've been out as an SDA for quite some time not hiding anything however I have asked others to share their affiliation and most times don't get any response so does that mean they are closeted also? Just wondering?

PS his missus is terrible at making apple pie I've tried twice and one was edible the other got tossed... I do better with other fruit pies my favorite was a black and blue berry pie - I called it a black and blue pie and it was delicious since you asked....

 

[JesusLives]

Ya, ya, same ol' SDA claim.

Not only and SDA claim but written even in your Bible that God rested the seventh day and hallowed it.... Go check out Genesis at the end of creation week...

 

[Magenta]

I've been out as an SDA for quite some time not hiding anything however I have asked others to share their affiliation and most times don't get any response so does that mean they are closeted also? Just wondering?

PS his missus is terrible at making apple pie I've tried twice and one was edible the other got tossed... I do better with other fruit pies my favorite was a black and blue berry pie - I called it a black and blue pie and it was delicious since you asked....

Hello Darlene, apple pie is very easy to make, nothing fancy required beyond the sliced up apples and the crust, add some sugar (top and bottom) and cinnamon and nutmeg, NO lemon juice, and bake till golden, it is pretty failsafe, don't give up!!! We used to bake for over an hour at two different temperatures, the hotter one for browning the crust, I suppose Some recipes say bake for 30 minutes Try experimenting some more Use a good, firm, semi sweet and juicy apple, too

 

[JaumeJ]

I guess if you are a Jew then do as the Jews do.
I prefer to follow the example of the apostles and fellowship/worship on Sunday, 1st day of the week.

Keep whatever day you like, the real meaning of worship is that EVERY day is a worship day.

Inadvertently you response is right on the money, however you are posting without the knowledge of what a Jew is in the sight of God, for all who believe Him are Praisers of God...….Jew means Praiser of Yahweh.

This is why Pilate, without knowing it, described our Savior perfectly by having the inscription, "Jesus, King of the Jews, inscribed in Latin, Greek and Hebrw over our Lord's head on the Cross.

Be very careful using the word, Jew, for it is the short version of Yahweh, Yah. The same Yah which we all praise when we say Halleluyah or Hallelujah.

 

[TMS]

So you believe Adam, Abraham whorship oN sabbath?
Sabbath is rest. Who ever accept Jesus enter into rest

Hebrews 4

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Adam understood that it was not good to kill and to not steal, Adam and Abraham understood what they should and shouldn't do. There may not have been a record of a written law but it is sure that God had a law.

Rom_2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Adam and Abraham and all before and after have sinned (except Jesus) so all have broken the law.

The Sabbath was made Holy and Sanctified by God which means God set that day aside for Holy use. Who are we to say ignore Gods Holy day and keep another one because tradition/ man changed it.

Please read it in context and please don't twist the meaning to suit your ideas.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You can take all the literal Sabbath meaning away and say it is all about Jesus and resting in Him, But i say that everything in the Bible is about Jesus and resting in Him. We do need to cease from our works and rest in Christs righteousness, but do we make the law void as a result? Because we are free in Jesus, because we have rest in Jesus do we throw the law away and sin as much as we want?

 

[Blik]

I don't think most people study scripture. Scripture tells us that God created earth in six days, but the creation of the seventh day was as a rest day for us. Still people say anyone who believes this are "Sabbath keepers" and that, they say, is a wrong thing to do.

Often scripture tells us something is true for all people for all generations. People don't even study scripture enough to know that scripture is for all people, not just Hebrews. They completely disregard the "all generations" part.

Then instead of using scripture as their information about God they speak of denominations and denomination doctrine, all put together by man. So if someone believes God they are false teachers.

The true false teachers are ones who teach their denomination, whatever it is, instead of teaching scripture.

 

[Jackson123]

Adam understood that it was not good to kill and to not steal, Adam and Abraham understood what they should and shouldn't do. There may not have been a record of a written law but it is sure that God had a law.

Rom_2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Adam and Abraham and all before and after have sinned (except Jesus) so all have broken the law.

The Sabbath was made Holy and Sanctified by God which means God set that day aside for Holy use. Who are we to say ignore Gods Holy day and keep another one because tradition/ man changed it.

Please read it in context and please don't twist the meaning to suit your ideas.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You can take all the literal Sabbath meaning away and say it is all about Jesus and resting in Him, But i say that everything in the Bible is about Jesus and resting in Him. We do need to cease from our works and rest in Christs righteousness, but do we make the law void as a result? Because we are free in Jesus, because we have rest in Jesus do we throw the law away and sin as much as we want?

This is what I think.

When we accept Jesus, He own us as His servant or in old tradition they call It Slave so what we do now is for God only. It doesn't all of us work as full time pastor, but we are full time whorshiper. All we do is to glorify Him. Full time not only oN sabbath. As Nurse we glorify Him by honest and love the patient, as a police help people with love and care. Worship the Lord is not only go to church oN sabbath, people that go to church may not whorship the Lord, I see some people go to church because he want to get a job and make money. A b out 6 months ago a man come to church, asking every body If they can help him with some money.

As soon as we accept Jesus we are full time enter to the rest.



1 Corinthians 6:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

 

[Blik]

So you believe Adam, Abraham whorship oN sabbath?
Sabbath is rest. Who ever accept Jesus enter into rest

Hebrews 4

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

You are mixing up the meaning of words in different scriptures. You cannot say that the only rest scripture can speak of is the rest in Jesus.

It is so popular in today's church to say the Jesus destroys all that came before but Jesus did not destroy anything, everything remains and is made more complete. Jesus did NOT destroy the Sabbath at all, it is just as the Father, our God, created it.

Matt. 5:17 I didn't come to destroy but to fulfill.

 

[Jackson123]

You are mixing up the meaning of words in different scriptures. You cannot say that the only rest scripture can speak of is the rest in Jesus.

It is so popular in today's church to say the Jesus destroys all that came before but Jesus did not destroy anything, everything remains and is made more complete. Jesus did NOT destroy the Sabbath at all, it is just as the Father, our God, created it.

Matt. 5:17 I didn't come to destroy but to fulfill.

So tell me the different between rest that Jesus give to us and rest in sabbath.

 

[Lanolin]

Funny I was reading the bible in the book of acts a fight that broke out on the sabbath.

See chapter 13 esp from verse 42 to the end of the chapter.

 

[Blik]

So tell me the different between rest that Jesus give to us and rest in sabbath.

On six days of a week we are to work to supply our earthly needs. God worked for six days to create the earth. On the seventh day we are to rest from this work.

As we rest in Christ, we are to have complete faith in Christ's way for us, not to fret and fuss with our own wrest with the knowledge that whatever we face it will work out fine because it is Christ's way. Of course, Christ's way is to include keeping the Sabbath as we are told to do.

 

[Sipsey]

On six days of a week we are to work to supply our earthly needs. God worked for six days to create the earth. On the seventh day we are to rest from this work.

As we rest in Christ, we are to have complete faith in Christ's way for us, not to fret and fuss with our own wrest with the knowledge that whatever we face it will work out fine because it is Christ's way. Of course, Christ's way is to include keeping the Sabbath as we are told to do.

What about the individual with disabilities, whatever they may be, or beggars? Are they to beg only 6 days? The one bedridden with a disability or disease, how do they rest? Are their care takers to leave them to their own on the Sabbath. I suppose Doctors and nurses should rest also, on that day? Also, what about time zones, do they matter? You do know the Jews used a lunar calendar, so should we adjust our dates for correctness? Or does God simply nod that we mean well?

You see the quandary the early Jews had when they started to see the practical application of what should and should not be done.

Jesus said something about those that scour the Bible searching for eternal life, when they actually point to Him.

True story: an old American Indian was driving his buckboard and mule through a small town out west. A missionary stopped him and said, “ Don’t you know this is the Lords Sabbath, you are not allowed to work on this day. The old Indian thought for a moment and tilted his head. “Ooh, I see, “ he said, “You worship your God this day, me worship my God every day.”

Can you show me any law or ceremony that Jesus did not fulfill?

 

[Sipsey]

What about the individual with disabilities, whatever they may be, or beggars? Are they to beg only 6 days? The one bedridden with a disability or disease, how do they rest? Are their care takers to leave them to their own on the Sabbath. I suppose Doctors and nurses should rest also, on that day? Also, what about time zones, do they matter? You do know the Jews used a lunar calendar, so should we adjust our dates for correctness? Or does God simply nod that we mean well?

You see the quandary the early Jews had when they started to see the practical application of what should and should not be done.

Jesus said something about those that scour the Bible searching for eternal life, when they actually point to Him.

True story: an old American Indian was driving his buckboard and mule through a small town out west. A missionary stopped him and said, “ Don’t you know this is the Lords Sabbath, you are not allowed to work on this day. The old Indian thought for a moment and tilted his head. “Ooh, I see, “ he said, “You worship your God this day, me worship my God every day.”

Can you show me any law or ceremony that Jesus did not fulfill?

Every Law, every ceremony was a shadow, a teaching tool if you will, to teach an aspect of Gods will and Holiness. It also helped keep Gods ways front and center with little excuse about “forgetting,” yet you claim this one thing, the Sabbath, is somehow different, why?

 

[gb9]

On six days of a week we are to work to supply our earthly needs. God worked for six days to create the earth. On the seventh day we are to rest from this work.

As we rest in Christ, we are to have complete faith in Christ's way for us, not to fret and fuss with our own wrest with the knowledge that whatever we face it will work out fine because it is Christ's way. Of course, Christ's way is to include keeping the Sabbath as we are told to do.

the next time you tell me I am bearing false witness against you when I say that you think you have to keep the Sabbath to be saved, I will point you back here.

and Christ's way? He said " come to Me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest ".

he did NOT say " rest on the Sabbath ".

 

[Jackson123]

On six days of a week we are to work to supply our earthly needs. God worked for six days to create the earth. On the seventh day we are to rest from this work.

As we rest in Christ, we are to have complete faith in Christ's way for us, not to fret and fuss with our own wrest with the knowledge that whatever we face it will work out fine because it is Christ's way. Of course, Christ's way is to include keeping the Sabbath as we are told to do.

We are His servant or Slave. Slave is full time work for his Master.

 

[Locutus]

Not only and SDA claim but written even in your Bible that God rested the seventh day and hallowed it.... Go check out Genesis at the end of creation week...

Just because he "rested" on the 7th does not mean that it became a command for all creation - do you see the planet stop turning every 7 days, do all in the animal kingdom rest on the 7th.

if yer following the SDA yerve been caught up in a date setting cult, no better than the Jehovah's Witnesses that have witnessed anything.

 

[JesusLives]

Just because he "rested" on the 7th does not mean that it became a command for all creation - do you see the planet stop turning every 7 days, do all in the animal kingdom rest on the 7th.

if yer following the SDA yerve been caught up in a date setting cult, no better than the Jehovah's Witnesses that have witnessed anything.

William Miller set a date for Jesus return and he wasn't a SDA at the time and as far as I know SDA has never set a date for Jesus return as we believe no man knows the day or the hour of His return.... not sure where you are getting your facts.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Inadvertently you response is right on the money, however you are posting without the knowledge of what a Jew is in the sight of God, for all who believe Him are Praisers of God...….Jew means Praiser of Yahweh.

This is why Pilate, without knowing it, described our Savior perfectly by having the inscription, "Jesus, King of the Jews, inscribed in Latin, Greek and Hebrw over our Lord's head on the Cross.

Be very careful using the word, Jew, for it is the short version of Yahweh, Yah. The same Yah which we all praise when we say Halleluyah or Hallelujah.

In addressing Christians, I believe there is no misunderstanding in using the word Jew/Jewish/Judaism etc. A nation, a people, a group of people and their history.