Does man have a libertarian free will?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Does man have a libertarian free will?

  • Yes, man has a libertarian free will

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • No, man does not have a libertarian free will

    Votes: 16 55.2%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Total voters
    29

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
Grace = we don't deserve God's love.
Grace may be defined as the unmerited or undeserving favor of God to those who are under condemnation.

Of course we dont deserve grace. But that is the very essence of grace. What is your point?
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
Grace may be defined as the unmerited or undeserving favor of God to those who are under condemnation.

Of course we dont deserve grace. But that is the very essence of grace. What is your point?
If salvation depends on you, it is not of grace and you are the savior.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
Wicked people as in free will believers? Good luck with that. No free will theological believer thinks of themselves as a Savior. This is your opinion.
That's how it works out. Of course, they would never admit it.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
If salvation depends on you, it is not of grace and you are the savior.
Limited Atonement isnt grace either. Regardless I'm sorry but Jesus tells us he is the only way. Jesus calls for people to believe and put faith in His promises. Yes as explained above that you didn't address. There are 2 types of faith. A gift, and one of man which we also see as a call to believe.

People couldn't be accountable to sin if we had no will to choose between good and evil. The moral law. The law written on the heart. Conscience bearing witness to such law.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. The demons believe by sight.
Yes pistis faith. But that isnt the only faith we have. Belief is the first step.

Romans 10:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

But in context obviously repentance, and perseverance is necessary.

Unfortunately many dont move on from belief. Read the parable of the sower.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
That's how it works out. Of course, they would never admit it.
In your opinion. You have to very vehemently deny scriptures to accept your theology. How do you handle scriptures that call for belief, acceptance, a choice, to abide, to return, or scripture of warning to believer about being led astray or fall away?

All scriptures with this context sounds very comical within your interpretation.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
In your opinion. You have to very vehemently deny scriptures to accept your theology. How do you handle scriptures that call for belief, acceptance, a choice, to abide, to return, or scripture of warning to believer about being led astray or fall away?

All scriptures with this context sounds very comical within your interpretation.
Conditional salvation is not grace. It is works.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
Yes pistis faith. But that isnt the only faith we have. Belief is the first step.

Romans 10:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

But in context obviously repentance, and perseverance is necessary.

Unfortunately many dont move on from belief. Read the parable of the sower.
God must save a person before they can believe. Faith is a FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
Limited Atonement isnt grace either. Regardless I'm sorry but Jesus tells us he is the only way. Jesus calls for people to believe and put faith in His promises. Yes as explained above that you didn't address. There are 2 types of faith. A gift, and one of man which we also see as a call to believe.

People couldn't be accountable to sin if we had no will to choose between good and evil. The moral law. The law written on the heart. Conscience bearing witness to such law.
Limited Atonement is pure grace. It saves its subjects completely.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
Conditional salvation is not grace. It is works.
A call to believe or faith isnt works. It like a person willingly making themselves a slave to the master, enlisted as a soldier. A submission to Christ.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
God must save a person before they can believe. Faith is a FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.
Can you address post 734. Before we move on. The Holy Spirit fruit faith is pistis not pisteuo.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
A call to believe or faith isnt works. It like a person willingly making themselves a slave to the master, enlisted as a soldier. A submission to Christ.
If salvation depends on choosing to believe, it's a false gospel.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,843
4,496
113
Justly. God would not be good if they did not burn in hell.
Lol God chose them to not be elected as on God just created them to remain evil. How is that good? Or Just?