Does man have a libertarian free will?

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Does man have a libertarian free will?

  • Yes, man has a libertarian free will

    Votes: 12 41.4%

  • No, man does not have a libertarian free will

    Votes: 16 55.2%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Total voters
    29
Roughsoul1991

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Dave-L said:
So you hate God if limited atonement is true?
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You mean the false God in a false theology? How can I hate something that isnt real? Absence of truth is false. What I dislike is your interpretation.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
You mean the false God in a false theology? How can I hate something that isnt real? Absence of truth is false. What I dislike is your interpretation.
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I'm saying if limited atonement is true, you hate God judging by your words.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Dave-L said:
No, As Paul says, I bring every thought captive to Christ.
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Oh this will be fun lol. Why does Paul say I bring every thought captive. Why I instead of God?

You know devout atheists believe the same thing that free will doesn't exist. That they are only reacting to brain and environment. Essentially you are saying the same because God is the creator of brain and environment. A moist robot. This is why atheist love this thought of course without God because it makes them not accountable to sin. If you are just reacting or created that way then how are you accountable to sin?
 
Roughsoul1991

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Dave-L said:
I'm saying if limited atonement is true, you hate God judging by your words.
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Cant hate something false. I love God. I see conditional Atonement as true. The condition being belief and faith etc in Christ alone who saves. Invitation to all who submit to the one true King and Lord.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Cant hate something false. I love God. I see conditional Atonement as true. The condition being belief and faith etc in Christ alone who saves. Invitation to all who submit to the one true King and Lord.
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I'm saying it is true and can prove it many times over.
 
Dave-L

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Oh this will be fun lol. Why does Paul say I bring every thought captive. Why I instead of God?

You know devout atheists believe the same thing that free will doesn't exist. That they are only reacting to brain and environment. Essentially you are saying the same because God is the creator of brain and environment. A moist robot. This is why atheist love this thought of course without God because it makes them not accountable to sin. If you are just reacting or created that way then how are you accountable to sin?
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God works in me to will and to do this.
 
1ofthem

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Dave-L said:
I'm saying if limited atonement is true, you hate God judging by your words.
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Seeing as scripture plainly shows limited atonement is not true, then your question is mute.

The real questions is why do you want to limit the atonement? Are there people that you hope don't have a chance? If so, then where is the love of God in you? Scripture says it's not God's will that any would perish but that all would come to repentance. He sent his Son so that any who believes in him shall be saved. So why on earth would you want to limit God and the atonement.

I saw in another thread where you were even saying that God is not all good. I seriously can't understand where you are getting all of your ideas. They are definitely not scripture based.
 
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1ofthem said:
Seeing as scripture plainly shows limited atonement is not true, then your question is mute.

The real questions is why do you want to limit the atonement? Are there people that you hope don't have a chance? If so, then where is the love of God in you? Scripture says it's not God's will that any would perish but that all would come to repentance. He sent his Son so that any who believes in him shall be saved. So why on earth would you want to limit God and the atonement.

I saw in another thread where you were even saying that God is not all good. I seriously can't understand where you are getting all of your ideas. They are definitely not scripture based.
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It could not be that you don't understand the scriptures on limited atonement?
 
1ofthem

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Dave-L said:
It could not be that you don't understand the scriptures on limited atonement?
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It could be that there are no scriptures that speak of limited atonement....Any, all, whosoever, the whole world....etc. etc. means just that ...To try to twist any scriptures to prove limited atonement would be a perversion of the gospel.
 
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1ofthem said:
It could be that there are no scriptures that speak of limited atonement....Any, all, whosoever, the whole world....etc. etc. means just that ...To try to twist any scriptures to prove limited atonement would be a perversion of the gospel.
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You cannot prove a negative. Only that you cannot see them.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Dave-L said:
I'm saying it is true and can prove it many times over.
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You haven't proved anything other than shared your interpretation. You can share scripture but I read the same scriptures. You will say it is my interpretation. And nothing will be gained. I'm simply showing the reader how flawed that theology is.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
You haven't proved anything other than shared your interpretation. You can share scripture but I read the same scriptures. You will say it is my interpretation. And nothing will be gained. I'm simply showing the reader how flawed that theology is.
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Can you spot limited atonement in the Old Testament?
 
1ofthem

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Dave-L said:
You cannot prove a negative. Only that you cannot see them.
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Yeah, that is why I don't try to prove limited atonement and I couldn't if I wanted to because it is not there, dude.

But here is something that can be proven. God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, so that whosoever will believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.....

So there it is clearly written...guess it's on you, then.
 
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1ofthem said:
Yeah, that is why I don't try to prove limited atonement and I couldn't if I wanted to because it is not there, dude.

But here is something that can be proven. God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, so that whosoever will believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.....

So there it is clearly written...guess it's on you, then.
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You need to prove it does not exist. It is impossible to prove a negative. So are you lying when you say it does not exist?
 
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Dave-L said:
You need to prove it does not exist. It is impossible to prove a negative. So are you lying when you say it does not exist?
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Whosoever will the, the whole world, all men, etc. proves that it is not just a few....All means everyone or anyone that will, right?

So there I just proved what does exist, and you're welcome...lol
 
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1ofthem said:
Whosoever will the, the whole world, all men, etc. proves that it is not just a few....All means everyone, right?

So there I just proved what does exist, and you're welcome...lol
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Jesus says whosoever believes has eternal life. So only believers (already saved) respond to Christ.
 
1ofthem

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Dave-L said:
Jesus says whosoever believes has eternal life. So only believers (already saved) respond to Christ.
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lol....oh my goodness....

If they were already saved there wouldn't have been a need for him to die on the cross? Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous, but for the sinners....Sorry to burst your bubble, but he didn't die for those who were already saved. He died to give sinners a chance to be saved.
 
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