Does Oneness theology (Modalism) teach a "sock puppet" view of God's nature?
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Like I said, Jesus is both God and man. The two natures did not always communicate with each other. So, as a man, he could certainly say that he did not know the time of the second coming. Regarding the will of Jesus, as a man he was totally dependent on the Father, and he had a will that wanted to avoid the pain of the Cross, while at the same time submitting himself to the Father. He desired pleasing the Father more than himself.
One must also think about the fact that Jesus was meant to be the "ideal man". He was the Second Adam, as Romans 5 says. He is the perfect role model for a holy man. So, there are some aspects of his deity that aren't going to be paraded out in front of men, because it wasn't his mission to exalt himself in this way at his first coming.
One must also think about the fact that Jesus was meant to be the "ideal man". He was the Second Adam, as Romans 5 says. He is the perfect role model for a holy man. So, there are some aspects of his deity that aren't going to be paraded out in front of men, because it wasn't his mission to exalt himself in this way at his first coming.
You only tell me that Jesus that he did not access the divine nature of the Father worked through Him, and he relied on the Father. Now, where is the divine nature of the "God the Son", cannot "God the Son" be relied on by Jesus to know everything and follow the will of Father immediately? So that Jesus will not attempt 3 times to refuse the cup of calvary.
Subordination is in terms of role, not essence.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exhibit subordination of role, but there is only one Being or Essence.
Therefore, they are co-equal and co-essential.
There is a difference between subordination of role, and subordination of essence.
From behaviors within the Triune God as exhibited in Scripture, the Son and Spirit are subordinate to the Father, and the Spirit is subordinate to the Son.
So, no, I would not agree with your summary. The Son retained a dual nature, being both God and man. He was subordinate in terms of role, which was perfectly appropriate. This exhibits the order that is present within the Triune God. Subordination of role does not translate into subordination of essence.
For example, my father is superior to me in terms of role, but in terms of essence, we are the same: human. Same thing with my pastor. He is superior to me in terms of role, but in terms of essence, we are the same: human.
Additionally, the Son never lost his divine nature...he acquired an additional nature. He was both man and God.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exhibit subordination of role, but there is only one Being or Essence.
Therefore, they are co-equal and co-essential.
There is a difference between subordination of role, and subordination of essence.
From behaviors within the Triune God as exhibited in Scripture, the Son and Spirit are subordinate to the Father, and the Spirit is subordinate to the Son.
So, no, I would not agree with your summary. The Son retained a dual nature, being both God and man. He was subordinate in terms of role, which was perfectly appropriate. This exhibits the order that is present within the Triune God. Subordination of role does not translate into subordination of essence.
For example, my father is superior to me in terms of role, but in terms of essence, we are the same: human. Same thing with my pastor. He is superior to me in terms of role, but in terms of essence, we are the same: human.
Additionally, the Son never lost his divine nature...he acquired an additional nature. He was both man and God.
He didn't attempt to refuse the cup. He asked whether there was another way.
It was the will of the Son to please the Father, and that was his ultimate will.
The exact nature of the Incarnation and the Triune God relating to this question is not something I can state with authority. It is very complex.
If one wants to claim Jesus was a mere man, though, that moves one into the category of heresy. There are explicit statements to the contrary.
It was the will of the Son to please the Father, and that was his ultimate will.
The exact nature of the Incarnation and the Triune God relating to this question is not something I can state with authority. It is very complex.
If one wants to claim Jesus was a mere man, though, that moves one into the category of heresy. There are explicit statements to the contrary.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons. However, they are co-essential. They share the same essence.
Therefore, if the Holy Spirit dwells in a man, then in essence, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are indwelling this person through the mediation of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Galatians 2:20 refers to Christ being in the person. There are other Scriptures relating the same teaching about the Father.
One can also prove the Triune nature of God by Scriptures which state that the Father resurrected Christ, the Holy Spirit resurrected Christ, and Christ resurrected himself.
Therefore, if the Holy Spirit dwells in a man, then in essence, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are indwelling this person through the mediation of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Galatians 2:20 refers to Christ being in the person. There are other Scriptures relating the same teaching about the Father.
One can also prove the Triune nature of God by Scriptures which state that the Father resurrected Christ, the Holy Spirit resurrected Christ, and Christ resurrected himself.
I already told you he has two natures.
As God, he knew the time of his second coming.
As man, he did not know the time of his second coming.
I hope this is not rude, but I am wondering if you belong to an organization that denies the Trinity or the deity of Christ. I know that there are many such organizations in Philippines including Iglesia Ni Cristo.
If you belong to them, I suggest that you listen to the debate between James White and Joe Ventilacion. It is on Youtube. Dr. White soundly addressed his claims.
As God, he knew the time of his second coming.
As man, he did not know the time of his second coming.
I hope this is not rude, but I am wondering if you belong to an organization that denies the Trinity or the deity of Christ. I know that there are many such organizations in Philippines including Iglesia Ni Cristo.
If you belong to them, I suggest that you listen to the debate between James White and Joe Ventilacion. It is on Youtube. Dr. White soundly addressed his claims.
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I would distinguish between the Essence or Being of God, which is Spirit, and the person of the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit of God shares the same essence or Being with the Father and Son, but the Spirit in the sense I am using it, as opposed to the Holy Spirit, is the essence or being of the Triune God.
Let us see what is written...
- Mark 14:36: And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." (ESV)
- Luke 22:42: "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
I think you can understand what I have already presented if you want to.
Jesus has two natures: glorified man and God.
As man during the incarnation, he had to learn. He did not know everything. He was dependent upon the Father. He experienced humanity. Through experiencing humanity, he qualified as the high priest of believers, and provided a perfect example of what Adam should have been, which is what believers should be like, if they are being conformed to the image of Christ.
As God he was the Second Person of the Triune God. He continued to uphold all things through the power of his mighty hand, perh Hebrews 1. The Triune God did not change, nor can he change.
Exactly how those two truths work together is not precisely defined, but it is taught in Scripture. It is up to the real believer to acknowledge this.
If you want to tell me precisely what group you are representing, though, I'd be glad to provide a critique of it and its doctrinal problems.
Jesus has two natures: glorified man and God.
As man during the incarnation, he had to learn. He did not know everything. He was dependent upon the Father. He experienced humanity. Through experiencing humanity, he qualified as the high priest of believers, and provided a perfect example of what Adam should have been, which is what believers should be like, if they are being conformed to the image of Christ.
As God he was the Second Person of the Triune God. He continued to uphold all things through the power of his mighty hand, perh Hebrews 1. The Triune God did not change, nor can he change.
Exactly how those two truths work together is not precisely defined, but it is taught in Scripture. It is up to the real believer to acknowledge this.
If you want to tell me precisely what group you are representing, though, I'd be glad to provide a critique of it and its doctrinal problems.