Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
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I love Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".
And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".
It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.
I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well.
Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).
And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).
And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).
And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).
So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.
According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".
And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".
It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.
I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well.
Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).
And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).
And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).
And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).
So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.
I know a passage in Hebrews that refutes th doctrine that says we do not suffer for the cause of Christ...and that is why some do not talk about Hebrews
Hebrews 5.7-10
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 5.7-10
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
I love Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".
And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".
It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.
I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well.
Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).
And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).
And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).
And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).
So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.
According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".
And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".
It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.
I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well.
Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).
And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).
And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).
And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).
So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.
This one shuts them up every-time....Yeah, Hebrews dude be talkin about Jesus down there...
Hebrews 5.7-10
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 5.7-10
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Did anyone say that there is no suffering for Christ? We labor under false understanding until we come into the knowledge of truth. Of the complete salvation of Jesus Christ to the world, if the world just knew.
We are here for the understanding of what true grace means. Then will one be able to teach and be partners with Holy Spirit in giving the message of the victory of the Cross, and the resurrection life that we have access to now...freely.
False teaching is like throwing mud on new clean clothes.
We are here for the understanding of what true grace means. Then will one be able to teach and be partners with Holy Spirit in giving the message of the victory of the Cross, and the resurrection life that we have access to now...freely.
False teaching is like throwing mud on new clean clothes.
It is indeed a good thing to provoke each other to good works just as Hebrews speaks about amongst us believers in Christ.
An example of "good works" are when we encourage people to actually believe what Jesus has said and what He has already done. It is a good work to encourage Christians to believe that He alone has obtained eternal redemption for us. Heb. 9:12
Right believing in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and rose to newness of life - will bring right thinking ( repentance ) which will manifest in His life being seen in our lives outwardly as His fruit is borne on us the branches.
This is what produces real godliness based on Christ alone by grace through faith.
As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6-8
This is all done by grace through faith alone in Christ and what He has already done on the cross and resurrection.
Without Him - we can do nothing.
It is a "good work" to encourage people to trust that He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it. (Phil. 1:6)
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are new creations in Christ ( 2 Cor. 5:17 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that Christ alone is our wisdom, our righteousness and our sanctification and our redemption. ( 1 Cor. 1:30 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and no amount of good works can save us nor "keep us saved". Christ alone is the Savior of the world - especially of believers. ( Eph. 2:8-19 & 1 Tim. 4:10 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that we will walk in the good works that God has already prepare for us to walk in as His life becomes manifested in and through us to reveal the love and grace of our loving Father and our Lord has for others. ( Eph. 2:10 & Phil. 2:13 )
It is a "good work" for us to encourage Christians that we are safe in the hands of the Lord and we who truly believe have been sealed by the Holy Spirit and He will be in us forever - just like Jesus said. ( Eph. 1:13, 4:20 & John 14:16 )
It is also a "good work" to remind Christians that there is a warning for not relying on the life of Christ in us for life and living while on this earth.
All the works of the flesh will bring destruction in this life of some sort - whether living the homosexual lifestyle or the exhibiting of malice, outbursts of anger, deceitfulness or the slandering of others in the body of Christ.
Fail to rely on the grace of God that is only in Christ's finished work and trying to do things in our own flesh will not get us to experience the life of Christ that is in our inner man of the heart where Christ dwells and where we are in the kingdom of God.
The warning scriptures are needed and to be heeded - once the proper foundation of Christ and His finished work are firmly established in the hearts and minds of us Christians. From there - then the warning scriptures will have their proper place.
If we want to experience our inheritance that is ours in Christ while we are in this earth - it's imperative that we don't live by the flesh.
But the firm foundation is Christ Himself and you can no more lose the redemption that is in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
We are beloved children of our loving Father and He will not throw His beloved children into hell and the lake of fire because they don't do enough "good works".
Where there is "security" - there are the nutrients for "maturity". Let's believe what Christ has said and what He has already done for us and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
An example of "good works" are when we encourage people to actually believe what Jesus has said and what He has already done. It is a good work to encourage Christians to believe that He alone has obtained eternal redemption for us. Heb. 9:12
Right believing in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and rose to newness of life - will bring right thinking ( repentance ) which will manifest in His life being seen in our lives outwardly as His fruit is borne on us the branches.
This is what produces real godliness based on Christ alone by grace through faith.
As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6-8
This is all done by grace through faith alone in Christ and what He has already done on the cross and resurrection.
Without Him - we can do nothing.
It is a "good work" to encourage people to trust that He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it. (Phil. 1:6)
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are new creations in Christ ( 2 Cor. 5:17 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that Christ alone is our wisdom, our righteousness and our sanctification and our redemption. ( 1 Cor. 1:30 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and no amount of good works can save us nor "keep us saved". Christ alone is the Savior of the world - especially of believers. ( Eph. 2:8-19 & 1 Tim. 4:10 )
It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that we will walk in the good works that God has already prepare for us to walk in as His life becomes manifested in and through us to reveal the love and grace of our loving Father and our Lord has for others. ( Eph. 2:10 & Phil. 2:13 )
It is a "good work" for us to encourage Christians that we are safe in the hands of the Lord and we who truly believe have been sealed by the Holy Spirit and He will be in us forever - just like Jesus said. ( Eph. 1:13, 4:20 & John 14:16 )
It is also a "good work" to remind Christians that there is a warning for not relying on the life of Christ in us for life and living while on this earth.
All the works of the flesh will bring destruction in this life of some sort - whether living the homosexual lifestyle or the exhibiting of malice, outbursts of anger, deceitfulness or the slandering of others in the body of Christ.
Fail to rely on the grace of God that is only in Christ's finished work and trying to do things in our own flesh will not get us to experience the life of Christ that is in our inner man of the heart where Christ dwells and where we are in the kingdom of God.
The warning scriptures are needed and to be heeded - once the proper foundation of Christ and His finished work are firmly established in the hearts and minds of us Christians. From there - then the warning scriptures will have their proper place.
If we want to experience our inheritance that is ours in Christ while we are in this earth - it's imperative that we don't live by the flesh.
But the firm foundation is Christ Himself and you can no more lose the redemption that is in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
We are beloved children of our loving Father and He will not throw His beloved children into hell and the lake of fire because they don't do enough "good works".
Where there is "security" - there are the nutrients for "maturity". Let's believe what Christ has said and what He has already done for us and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
So are you not going to apply everything in the book of Romans to your life either? You do know Romans was also written to the Jews and not to gentiles, right?
Better throw out 3 of the 4 Gospels as well....Matthew was written to Jews, Mark to the Greeks and Romans, Luke to the Greeks, better not apply everything from them either...oh wait...you probably don't anyway since Jesus was under the law...
Personal question...are you and G7 married or a couple? you guys sure act that way...
Better throw out 3 of the 4 Gospels as well....Matthew was written to Jews, Mark to the Greeks and Romans, Luke to the Greeks, better not apply everything from them either...oh wait...you probably don't anyway since Jesus was under the law...
Personal question...are you and G7 married or a couple? you guys sure act that way...
Jesus "promised" us suffering. Paul also promised that we would be persecuted too.
2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
To live godly is to rely on Christ's righteousness and holiness for life and living which is by grace through faith and His life will manifest itself as "deeds of righteousness".
Paul also said this:
2 Timothy 2:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
Peter said that we are not to suffer as an evil-doer but if we suffer because we are Christians that is pleasing to God.
1 Peter 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Favor here is the Greek word for grace.
2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
To live godly is to rely on Christ's righteousness and holiness for life and living which is by grace through faith and His life will manifest itself as "deeds of righteousness".
Paul also said this:
2 Timothy 2:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
Peter said that we are not to suffer as an evil-doer but if we suffer because we are Christians that is pleasing to God.
1 Peter 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Favor here is the Greek word for grace.
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Children of GOD:
1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
I believe John.
1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
I believe John.
Brethren - don't fall for the "baiting". It has a purpose.
Guard your hearts.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Keep proclaiming the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. He will be faithful to all of us!
Guard your hearts.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Keep proclaiming the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. He will be faithful to all of us!