Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is the first born of the dead, resurrected that is for He is the Resurrection. As for the Holy Spirit, He was seen descending on Him like a dove is how it is written, although I believe in my heart and soul the Holy Spirit always dwelled in Him. The account of His teaching in the Temple as a child testify strongly to this, not to mention His stating to His mother the she should have know He was going about His Father's business.
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So , Jesus rose Himself, ohzone. God rose Himself, if you want to put it that way. The Holy Spirit rose Himself. How do you want to say it? It don't matter how you say it as long as you know HE DID IT. Jesus the man, THE HUMANITY, was DEAD, having taken on the sins of the world and being provided the sacrifice, or, the atonement. He atoned for ALL sins of men. Those that choose Him after He's first having chosen them will be 'born again' and free from sin, because they have the Son and do NOT no longer have sin. Jesus covers ALL sins of those who have Him 
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Satan tried to put Jesus in the ground forevermore, but Jesus rose again. Why would Satan try to put Jesus into the ground if he knew that God would rise again
NO ONE KNEW, only God, guys, only God , only He who is in you, Christ believers, KNEW that Christ would rise again. Satan did not know God's thoughts and God did not tell Satan His grand plan that would change the world forever, that would put sin and death into the ground and, one day, Satan, will be put in the Lake Of Fire hell, forevermore .
He is the One, can't you see that? Listen to the song, Who is telling us that He will rise again? The disciples, the Twelve didn't even believe Jesus would rise again, or, go ahead, please, show me in Scripture where the disciples KNEW Jesus would rise again. No one KNEW, Mary Magdalene showed the greatest belief, by being outside the tomb on the Third Day, and, still, she did NOT know who Jesus was, until she heard Him, and, exclaimed, 'Rabbi!....'
NO ONE KNEW. Satan did NOT know that he was dealing with someone who could rise again, Satan would NEVER have touched Jesus IF he knew Jesus was the visible image of the invisible God
[video=youtube;8O-BiaATxag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O-BiaATxag[/video]
NO ONE KNEW, only God, guys, only God , only He who is in you, Christ believers, KNEW that Christ would rise again. Satan did not know God's thoughts and God did not tell Satan His grand plan that would change the world forever, that would put sin and death into the ground and, one day, Satan, will be put in the Lake Of Fire hell, forevermore .
He is the One, can't you see that?
Listen to the song, Who is telling us that He will rise again? The disciples, the Twelve didn't even believe Jesus would rise again, or, go ahead, please, show me in Scripture where the disciples KNEW Jesus would rise again. No one KNEW, Mary Magdalene showed the greatest belief, by being outside the tomb on the Third Day, and, still, she did NOT know who Jesus was, until she heard Him, and, exclaimed, 'Rabbi!....' NO ONE KNEW. Satan did NOT know that he was dealing with someone who could rise again, Satan would NEVER have touched Jesus IF he knew Jesus was the visible image of the invisible God
[video=youtube;8O-BiaATxag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O-BiaATxag[/video]
I have no idea how you come up with this stuff other than pride.
I didnt even bother to go through the O/T pictures and statements and promises of the resurrection.
WOW this is why the LORD told us let no man deveive you the world will be full of false teachers and false prophets!!!!!
This is really sad.
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And, what do you think went through Satan's mind when the VERY act he'd diabolically constructed, (THOUGHT) he'd constructed, rather, umm, that is, Satan's plan was to kill Jesus, right, and, then, WHAT became of this very ACT of bad that God turned good (sounds like what Joseph said to his brothers, doesn't it ) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore?
Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore? Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
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And, what do you think went through Satan's mind when the VERY act he'd diabolically constructed, (THOUGHT) he'd constructed, rather, umm, that is, Satan's plan was to kill Jesus, right, and, then, WHAT became of this very ACT of bad that God turned good (sounds like what Joseph said to his brothers, doesn't it ) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore?
Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore? Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
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What are you REALLY trying to say, doubleUdee?
Exactly, NOW, you are getting it, that whole paragraph is EXACTLY what's been being said this whole thread
God Himself controlled the whole Jesus' betrayal and death event, Satan THOUGHT he did . Now, it's fair to say, Satan is NOW 'the prince of this world,' Scripture says this, right? That's likely not new revelation for you. But God is still the ALWAYS reigning King in spite of Satan ON THIS EARTH and STILL Satan is a short time away from being thrown in the Lake of Fire . The VERY thoughts of the mocking folk at Calgary, who wrote 'King of the Jews' on a crown and put in on Jesus' head, were INSPIRED by Satan. ALL Satan, having a field day on God at Golgotha, watching Jesus on the ole rugged cross, deteriorate away, THINKING Jesus was gone forevermore, and, Satan would rule forevermore, when, in fact, what was the case?
Ahh, here is the revelation: Satan's very plan, so well orchestrated he'd thought, strung himself up to some day in the future being gone forevermore, as every moment that Jesus suffered, ultimately, put NAILS in Satan's form, forevermore.
Joyce Meyers' wanted others to see this truth I've been trying to point out to you IF you will only receive the revelation Satan was done before he even started to concoct a plan to get Jesus killed, which could not happen until God said so, hence, Jesus got away from the Pharasees one time by 'going through a wall,' and, Jesus escaped other situations, too, that should have, no, would have led any normal man to death. Jesus was not any normal man though, He was the living God 100% fully, too.
And, what do you think went through Satan's mind when the VERY act he'd diabolically constructed, (THOUGHT) he'd constructed, rather, umm, that is, Satan's plan was to kill Jesus, right, and, then, WHAT became of this very ACT of bad that God turned good (sounds like what Joseph said to his brothers, doesn't it ) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore?
Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
) , that saved mankind from what Satan so wanted to HANG on man, forevermore? Ya think we can call what Satan received from God on that rising again deal as 'revelation', ya think, ?
God Himself controlled the whole Jesus' betrayal and death event, Satan THOUGHT he did . Now, it's fair to say, Satan is NOW 'the prince of this world,' Scripture says this, right? That's likely not new revelation for you. But God is still the ALWAYS reigning King in spite of Satan ON THIS EARTH and STILL Satan is a short time away from being thrown in the Lake of Fire . The VERY thoughts of the mocking folk at Calgary, who wrote 'King of the Jews' on a crown and put in on Jesus' head, were INSPIRED by Satan. ALL Satan, having a field day on God at Golgotha, watching Jesus on the ole rugged cross, deteriorate away, THINKING Jesus was gone forevermore, and, Satan would rule forevermore, when, in fact, what was the case?
Ahh, here is the revelation: Satan's very plan, so well orchestrated he'd thought, strung himself up to some day in the future being gone forevermore, as every moment that Jesus suffered, ultimately, put NAILS in Satan's form, forevermore.
Joyce Meyers' wanted others to see this truth I've been trying to point out to you IF you will only receive the revelation
Satan was done before he even started to concoct a plan to get Jesus killed, which could not happen until God said so, hence, Jesus got away from the Pharasees one time by 'going through a wall,' and, Jesus escaped other situations, too, that should have, no, would have led any normal man to death. Jesus was not any normal man though, He was the living God 100% fully, too.
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What are you REALLY trying to say, doubleUdee?
Exactly, NOW, you are getting it, that whole paragraph is EXACTLY what's been being said this whole thread
God Himself controlled the whole Jesus' betrayal and death event, Satan THOUGHT he did . Now, it's fair to say, Satan is NOW 'the prince of this world,' Scripture says this, right? That's likely not new revelation for you. But God is still the ALWAYS reigning King in spite of Satan ON THIS EARTH and STILL Satan is a short time away from being thrown in the Lake of Fire . The VERY thoughts of the mocking folk at Calgary, who wrote 'King of the Jews' on a crown and put in on Jesus' head, were INSPIRED by Satan. ALL Satan, having a field day on God at Golgotha, watching Jesus on the ole rugged cross, deteriorate away, THINKING Jesus was gone forevermore, and, Satan would rule forevermore, when, in fact, what was the case?
Ahh, here is the revelation: Satan's very plan, so well orchestrated he'd thought, strung himself up to some day in the future being gone forevermore, as every moment that Jesus suffered, ultimately, put NAILS in Satan's form, forevermore.
Joyce Meyers' wanted others to see this truth I've been trying to point out to you IF you will only receive the revelation Satan was done before he even started to concoct a plan to get Jesus killed, which could not happen until God said so, hence, Jesus got away from the Pharasees one time by 'going through a wall,' and, Jesus escaped other situations, too, that should have, no, would have led any normal man to death. Jesus was not any normal man though, He was the living God 100% fully, too.
Exactly, NOW, you are getting it, that whole paragraph is EXACTLY what's been being said this whole thread
God Himself controlled the whole Jesus' betrayal and death event, Satan THOUGHT he did . Now, it's fair to say, Satan is NOW 'the prince of this world,' Scripture says this, right? That's likely not new revelation for you. But God is still the ALWAYS reigning King in spite of Satan ON THIS EARTH and STILL Satan is a short time away from being thrown in the Lake of Fire . The VERY thoughts of the mocking folk at Calgary, who wrote 'King of the Jews' on a crown and put in on Jesus' head, were INSPIRED by Satan. ALL Satan, having a field day on God at Golgotha, watching Jesus on the ole rugged cross, deteriorate away, THINKING Jesus was gone forevermore, and, Satan would rule forevermore, when, in fact, what was the case?
Ahh, here is the revelation: Satan's very plan, so well orchestrated he'd thought, strung himself up to some day in the future being gone forevermore, as every moment that Jesus suffered, ultimately, put NAILS in Satan's form, forevermore.
Joyce Meyers' wanted others to see this truth I've been trying to point out to you IF you will only receive the revelation
Satan was done before he even started to concoct a plan to get Jesus killed, which could not happen until God said so, hence, Jesus got away from the Pharasees one time by 'going through a wall,' and, Jesus escaped other situations, too, that should have, no, would have led any normal man to death. Jesus was not any normal man though, He was the living God 100% fully, too.
You believe meyer to be a good teacher.
I do not.
You said in this thread nobody knew Yeshua would rise from the dead on the third day.
I gave all the evidence you should need two or three witnesses I gave you groups of witnesses.
I see no revelation from meyer coplend barclay parsley murdoch hagee stone wallid the list is RRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
This is my point green you have all the freedom that I do same with any reading this.
That means you can believe anything you choose.
Thats the point of freedom but because you believe something dosent make it true.
I choose to keep people honest by holding what they teach to the fire of the word of GOD.
I would hope all reading this stands on the same ROCK as I do and make sure you put peoples teachings to the test.
Blessings
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Hello Zone, I went back and listened to these recordings you posted and it sounds like a scratchy record from way back when. The recordings on youtube were better but ALL had to be listened IN context Especially those old scratchy recordings you put up. The weird lights with yelling woman should have been labled "Meyer's Worst Moments/The Early Years"
I'm thankful to the Lord for using Joyce Meyer's ministry for those of us who have been helped in our Christian lives. For the good fruit her ministry has produced for Him. The many many souls saved over the years in the U.S. and around the world. I have listened to Joyce M. and find these negative postings on her mis guided and out of context. If you only look for the negative that is all you will find. I don't think there is a "gift of condemnation" in the Bible.
The recordings on youtube were better but ALL had to be listened IN context Especially those old scratchy recordings you put up. The weird lights with yelling woman should have been labled "Meyer's Worst Moments/The Early Years" I'm thankful to the Lord for using Joyce Meyer's ministry for those of us who have been helped in our Christian lives. For the good fruit her ministry has produced for Him. The many many souls saved over the years in the U.S. and around the world.
I have listened to Joyce M. and find these negative postings on her mis guided and out of context. If you only look for the negative that is all you will find. I don't think there is a "gift of condemnation" in the Bible.
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Hello Zone, I went back and listened to these recordings you posted and it sounds like a scratchy record from way back when. The recordings on youtube were better but ALL had to be listened IN context Especially those old scratchy recordings you put up. The weird lights with yelling woman should have been labled "Meyer's Worst Moments/The Early Years"
I'm thankful to the Lord for using Joyce Meyer's ministry for those of us who have been helped in our Christian lives. For the good fruit her ministry has produced for Him. The many many souls saved over the years in the U.S. and around the world. I have listened to Joyce M. and find these negative postings on her mis guided and out of context. If you only look for the negative that is all you will find. I don't think there is a "gift of condemnation" in the Bible.
The recordings on youtube were better but ALL had to be listened IN context Especially those old scratchy recordings you put up. The weird lights with yelling woman should have been labled "Meyer's Worst Moments/The Early Years" I'm thankful to the Lord for using Joyce Meyer's ministry for those of us who have been helped in our Christian lives. For the good fruit her ministry has produced for Him. The many many souls saved over the years in the U.S. and around the world.
I have listened to Joyce M. and find these negative postings on her mis guided and out of context. If you only look for the negative that is all you will find. I don't think there is a "gift of condemnation" in the Bible. John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, If a man loveth me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our abode with him.
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Short Definition: I keep, guard, observe
Definition: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.
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we are to honor Christ and keep and guard His words.
i leave it to each to decide what they will keep, and what they will discard.
"He was pronounced guilty on the cross
but He paid the price in hell."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
"And you've got to really glean some things out of the Word of God to really get hold of what He [Jesus] did for you during those three days. Jesus said, 'It is finished.' And He meant the Old Covenant. The job He had to do was just getting started. He really did the job the three days and nights that He was in hell. That's where the job was done."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
"God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, 'Let Him go.' Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. He was resurrected from the dead -- the first born-again man"
Joyce Meyer ("The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", 1991 pg. 36)
"The Bible can't even find any way to explain this. Not really. That's why you've got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I'm telling you. I've got to just trust God that He's putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
but He paid the price in hell."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
"And you've got to really glean some things out of the Word of God to really get hold of what He [Jesus] did for you during those three days. Jesus said, 'It is finished.' And He meant the Old Covenant. The job He had to do was just getting started. He really did the job the three days and nights that He was in hell. That's where the job was done."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
"God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, 'Let Him go.' Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. He was resurrected from the dead -- the first born-again man"
Joyce Meyer ("The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", 1991 pg. 36)
"The Bible can't even find any way to explain this. Not really. That's why you've got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I'm telling you. I've got to just trust God that He's putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)
2 John 1:9
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
b. to proceed, go forward: in a bad sense, to go further than is right or proper, equivalent to μή μένειν ἐν τῇ διδαχή, to transgress the limits of true doctrine (cf. our colloquial, 'advanced' (views, etc.) in a disparaging sense), 2 John 1:9
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
b. to proceed, go forward: in a bad sense, to go further than is right or proper, equivalent to μή μένειν ἐν τῇ διδαχή, to transgress the limits of true doctrine (cf. our colloquial, 'advanced' (views, etc.) in a disparaging sense), 2 John 1:9
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And that there is the foundation of all her false teaching..would take pages just to be brief on that.
But shes matured and confessed she was wrong all along in her teachings(in otherwords admitted all her stuff was wrong and didnt work even for her) until she realized she wasnt a sinner....shes apparently better now.
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I have heard something like this before it cant be taught it has got to be caught something like that yeah?
Kind of like that IHOP thing rooty tooty fresh and fruity.
I think the revelations jim jones got was while he was stiring the koolaid what do you think guys anyone thirstyRRRRR
I read through the above quote of meyer what is the matter with you people have you become that dull of hearing that you would listen to such FILTH I could puke after reading it thanks sis.
Kind of like that IHOP thing rooty tooty fresh and fruity.
I think the revelations jim jones got was while he was stiring the koolaid what do you think guys anyone thirstyRRRRR
I read through the above quote of meyer what is the matter with you people have you become that dull of hearing that you would listen to such FILTH I could puke after reading it thanks sis.
While many have documented various aberrational teachings within the modern Christian church, predominantly within what has come to be known as the "word-faith" movement, few have taken a continuing strong position against what is, perhaps, a greater danger to the church at large.
Many are familiar with persons such as Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland who both have very large and influential ministries with global impact. Some are familiar with names like E.W. Kenyon, considered by many to be the true origin of the word-faith doctrines, and his association with the metaphysical movement earlier in this century.
However, as the battle continues over this or that fragmented doctrine coming from these "teachers" (which in all good conscience should continue), we seem to take no notice of a source of unsound teaching little discussed and even endorsed by many. I am herein referring to the Dake's Annotated Reference Bible which sells at a rate of approximately 30,000 per year and has been called "The Pentecostal Study Bible".
Many have felt that the impact of Finis Dake's work has diminished through the course of time since its first publication in 1963. Although the sales of his Annotated Reference Bible have been perhaps greater at other times, his impact has taken on global proportions through the ministries of such people as Joyce Meyers, Marilyn Hickey, Rod Parsley, Creflo Dollar, Ralph Wilkerson, Jimmy Swaggart, Jerry Seville, Rita Bennett, and, of course, Benny Hinn.
These people have used, endorsed, and, apparently, developed much of their theology from Dake materials. In the case of Benny Hinn, he admitted having taught his congregation from Dake's Gods Plan for Man to Charisma magazine in the August, 1993 issue (page 25). (It was here Hinn was asked to comment on his statement regarding "nine members of the Godhead".) The legacy and teaching of Finis Dake indeed lives on, then, in these persons. His influence continuing, unabated, multiplied many times over, in books, tapes and now broadcast 24 hours a day on international "Christian" television. The only thing absent from the teaching which continues today, is the name "Dake".
* * *“I thank God for the people who produced the Dake Bible. Their hard*
* * * * * * * work has made it easier for me to teach God's Word.”*
* * * * * * * • Joyce Meyers
* * * * * * * “If I could put just one tool in the hands of any minister, it would be the*
* * * * * * * Dake Bible”*
* * * * * * * • Ralph Wilkerson
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible is the best reference and study Bible you can get! I have*
* * * * * * * personally worn out four Dake's Bibles.”*
* * * * * * * • Marilyn Hickey
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible helped me build a solid foundation in the Word.”*
* * * * * * * • Creflo Dollar
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible is one of the greatest literary works ever made for*
* * * * * * * Pentecostal and Charismatic believers.”*
* * * * * * * • Rod Parsley
Terry R. Wilson
Main Street Ministries
Many are familiar with persons such as Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland who both have very large and influential ministries with global impact. Some are familiar with names like E.W. Kenyon, considered by many to be the true origin of the word-faith doctrines, and his association with the metaphysical movement earlier in this century.
However, as the battle continues over this or that fragmented doctrine coming from these "teachers" (which in all good conscience should continue), we seem to take no notice of a source of unsound teaching little discussed and even endorsed by many. I am herein referring to the Dake's Annotated Reference Bible which sells at a rate of approximately 30,000 per year and has been called "The Pentecostal Study Bible".
Many have felt that the impact of Finis Dake's work has diminished through the course of time since its first publication in 1963. Although the sales of his Annotated Reference Bible have been perhaps greater at other times, his impact has taken on global proportions through the ministries of such people as Joyce Meyers, Marilyn Hickey, Rod Parsley, Creflo Dollar, Ralph Wilkerson, Jimmy Swaggart, Jerry Seville, Rita Bennett, and, of course, Benny Hinn.
These people have used, endorsed, and, apparently, developed much of their theology from Dake materials. In the case of Benny Hinn, he admitted having taught his congregation from Dake's Gods Plan for Man to Charisma magazine in the August, 1993 issue (page 25). (It was here Hinn was asked to comment on his statement regarding "nine members of the Godhead".) The legacy and teaching of Finis Dake indeed lives on, then, in these persons. His influence continuing, unabated, multiplied many times over, in books, tapes and now broadcast 24 hours a day on international "Christian" television. The only thing absent from the teaching which continues today, is the name "Dake".
* * *“I thank God for the people who produced the Dake Bible. Their hard*
* * * * * * * work has made it easier for me to teach God's Word.”*
* * * * * * * • Joyce Meyers
* * * * * * * “If I could put just one tool in the hands of any minister, it would be the*
* * * * * * * Dake Bible”*
* * * * * * * • Ralph Wilkerson
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible is the best reference and study Bible you can get! I have*
* * * * * * * personally worn out four Dake's Bibles.”*
* * * * * * * • Marilyn Hickey
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible helped me build a solid foundation in the Word.”*
* * * * * * * • Creflo Dollar
* * * * * * * “The Dake Bible is one of the greatest literary works ever made for*
* * * * * * * Pentecostal and Charismatic believers.”*
* * * * * * * • Rod Parsley
Terry R. Wilson
Main Street Ministries