DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT

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What blows my mind is the simple facts that are swept under the rug when it comes to acceptable worship....God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth....

Jesus called out the disciples that had been prepared by the ministry of John the Baptist, they had been saved, given evidence of salvation and were immersed and then called out by Jesus......they are identified as a church at least twice in the present tense....how did they worship when they met....

They were seated and taught the word of God......end of story......

The preaching of the word is the worship of God!
 

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What blows my mind is the simple facts that are swept under the rug when it comes to acceptable worship....God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth....

Jesus called out the disciples that had been prepared by the ministry of John the Baptist, they had been saved, given evidence of salvation and were immersed and then called out by Jesus......they are identified as a church at least twice in the present tense....how did they worship when they met....

They were seated and taught the word of God......end of story......

The preaching of the word is the worship of God!

In Christ., there is never an ending of the story. We are always learning about Jesus., and how do we learn about Jesus???., The Spirit teaches us. And how does the Spirit teach us? It's His ministry to us while we are here on earth. Don't believe what you see, believe what He reveals through the Word.

But He won't force you to speak in tongues or have beautiful fruits of the Spirit or do other mighty works here on earth in the name of Jesus if you don't want Him to.

 
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In Christ., there is never an ending of the story. We are always learning about Jesus., and how do we learn about Jesus???., The Spirit teaches us. And how does the Spirit teach us? It's His ministry to us while we are here on earth. Don't believe what you see, believe what He reveals through the Word.

But He won't force you to speak in tongues or have beautiful fruits of the Spirit or do other mighty works here on earth in the name of Jesus if you don't want Him to.

This has no bearing on the truth I posted and your first line is erroneous

Jesus said I am the beginning and the END, the first and the LAST, Alpha and OMEGA

END of STORY....JESUS set the example.....period!

HE SAT them down and TAUGHT the word

Paul's directions

PREACH the WORD
FEED the FLOCK

END of STORY!
 
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Pentecostals try to make Jesus subservient to the Spirit, since much of what goes on in Pentecostal meetings is the spirit of Satan, they are actually removing God from His rightful place and replacing God with Satan. Note, I did not say EVERYTHING that goes on in Pentecostalism is of Satan, if that were so then their would be no Pentecostal churches. Jesus was specific that the Spirit He would send would NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but would glorify Jesus.[/QUOTE


Total nonsense. Ive been in the Pentecostal church from childhood. I traveled in ministry from 20yrs.Dont tell me what Pentecostals believe.What you are saying is a falsehood.
 
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Hi Kay, I believed your story, it was a great story, however were you saying that she was healed because she danced, or did she dance because she was healed? It really makes a big difference, Pentecostalism would teach that she danced therefore she was healed(the glory to Pentecostalism), the true Christian faith would teach that she was healed by God(glory to God) therefore she danced.

No,Petecostalism would not say she was healed because she danced and that is not what I said. Unless you are confusing oneness Pentecostals which are believe you must speak in tongues to be saved. They are their own denomination and nothing to do with mainstream Pentecostals such as AofG.
 
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Hi Stephen; There are certain false things that all Pentecostals accept, if they did not then they would no longer be Pentecostal.
Bull feathers and nonsense. My,my I get sick at heart between here and FB. Its no wonder the world is in the state its in when people would rather fire at other church members then reach the lost.smh While the Islamic satanic faith grows and grows,for shame.
 

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What impresses me about this video is the focus is on getting real with God
dealing with sin and being repentant before the Lord.

This is God moving, it is about dealing with the heart and knowing love and holiness.
How can we hope to live any other way.
**** this was a true Move of God with many salvations...
 
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You know I appreciate you as well and your candor.....Peter said we have a more sure word of prophecy and not to trust experience over the word....Without a doubt God sometimes does things beyond the norm, but there is NO such thing as DRUNK or SLAIN in the spirit....they are foreign to the bible......your Aunt's experience notwithstanding.

Peace my friend

​ She did neither,she danced. Have you issue with that?
 
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And to think....people actually believe this rigmarole is from God.......gonna be hot for guys like this![/QUOTE

If that is who I think it is, Hinn is a charlatan. He was dismissed from the AofG for his crazy acts and showmanship. He makes up a lot of foolishness for his own glory.I have no use for him.I know a pastor who had him in his church in the early days and refused to have him again.
 
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WHAT YOU SAY!!!????? SHE D A N C E D !!!!!!!!
DANCING SERVES NO PURPOSE!!!
Please do not yell! I did not say dancing served a purpose.I said the spirit moved,she danced and she was healed.I did not say the dancing healed her,I did not say the Spirit healed her. The power of God touched her and she was healed!!!!!
 

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Please do not yell! I did not say dancing served a purpose.I said the spirit moved,she danced and she was healed.I did not say the dancing healed her,I did not say the Spirit healed her. The power of God touched her and she was healed!!!!!


Much has gotten lost in the translation so sorry..... Wasn't yelling., was making a silly point of how dancing is not evil anymore than playing cards or having short hair.
very happy your Aunt was healed and when you think of her you are reminded of the healing power of God.

 
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Much has gotten lost in the translation so sorry..... Wasn't yelling., was making a silly point of how dancing is not evil anymore than playing cards or having short hair.
very happy your Aunt was healed and when you think of her you are reminded of the healing power of God.

No,Im sorry. I took what you said the wrong way. I know in my heart what happened.When people attack,not meaning you,and say an evil spirit touched her to me that is crass. I took what you said the wrong way and I apologize sister.
 
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1. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.


You have to decide what you are advocating for; the Holy Spirit using tongues as a prayer language OR YOU are praying that someone else may interpret the tongue manifested by the Holy Spirit thru you which is what Paul was saying. Not once did he taught that if it comes with no interpretation that it was a prayer language of the Holy Spirit's.

2.The baptism in the Holy Spirit is a second work. The 120 disciples were already saved before the Day of Pentecost.
Nope; this thread shows line by line, precept by precept that they were not saved until Pentecost.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/148226-when-were-disciples-saved.html

Notice 2 separate works:

1It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”1) 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 2)6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7There were in all about twelve men.

Two separate things..... salvation first, the baptism in the Holy Spirit afterward.

Nope. You are not reading that scriptural reference rightly, and I suspect you went there by reference from someone else as meaning that without actually reading it.

At this thread, scripture will show that line by line; precept by precept, those were unsaved disciples of John the Baptist's.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/148223-unsaved-disciples-acts-19th-chapter.html
 
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To those who do not believe in the move of the Holy Spirit,and I dont mean foolish showmanship and silly displays.I mean the genuine move of the Spirit I challenge you to join up to go on the mission field.I challenge you to go to these countries with witch doctors,where people are possessed and the darkness is so deep,like nothing we have seen in America. I challenge you to go there and deny the move of the Holy Spirit. I have grown up with missionary friends and the stories they have told.I challenge you to go to these places and see if your opinion changes.
 

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Simple...why wasn't justification by faith taught for the 1300 years in the established catholic church before Luther came and said "The just shall live by faith"? When you find the answer for that - you'll find your answer.

Why wasn't it "normal" for 1300 years for people to live by faith in Christ's work?

There have also been some throughout history that have spoke with tongues just as I bet there were those for 1300 years that believed they were saved by faith - even though the religious leaders told them different.

Here are links showing this to be true.

https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/evidence-speaking-tongues-early-church

Talking Pentecostalism: The history of tongues

As, I said before - trying to tell me that speaking in tongues to our Father is not for today is foolishness as I speak constantly to my Father and hundreds of millions of other "believers" do as well. This is like an atheist trying to tell me that Jesus is not real.
Thanks for the links. They did not convince me, that speaking in tongues is for today. It is known that special in mission situations God is working often is working in miracules ways. This we can see in awakenings and preaching the gospel. But since the first pentecostals were sent to mission field, because they spoke the language of the folk the went to. And then find out that this was temporay and went discouraged, speaking in tongues was seen as for the believer in the church ore for himself. This teaching you can not find in the churchhistorie.
in this link there is mentioned also:
[h=2]A.D. 390 - Chrysostom of Constantinople:[/h] Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople, writes: "Whoever was baptised in apostolic days, he straightway spoke with tongues, for since on their coming over from idols, without any clear knowledge or training in the Scriptures, they at once received the Spirit, not that they saw the Spirit, for He is invisible, but God's grace bestowed some sensible proof of His energy, and one straightway spoke in the Persian language, another in the Roman, another in the Indian, another in some other tongues, and this made manifest to them that were without that it was the Spirit in the very person speaking. Wherefore the apostle calls it the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal."


Sorry, Chrysostom is speaking clearly from the apostolic time (if I am not wrong) and not from the presence time. And the scripture which is used to explain why it is for us today are often took out of the context (f.e. Joel 2)

And as I wrote, speaking in tongues was in germany not before 1907 when people came from norway and before this from azusa street. That means the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit was not working in germany and many other countrys too.
I believe you are speaking in tongues, as many other also do, christians and non christians. My question is whats behind?
And why the sign gifts are not giving to all christians in all times? The example with Luther fit not realy, because we are speaking from the doing of the Holy Spirit which is giving the gifts according his will. We can create doctrines so much as we want, but we can not have comand over the Holy Spirit. Also i cant read in the scripture from a second pentecost, and a new sending from the Holy Spirit which should enlighten the world.
 
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Well, that all depends on what kind of church you go to. David danced all the time and so did many other OT saints. If you don't like dancing don't dance.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I would have to say that every church abiding in Him has to speak the same thing and have the same judgment.

It is those "extras" is why suddenly the Pentecostals and the Charismatics are not saying the same thing nor have the same judgement as those that rest in Jesus Christ that they are filled with the Spirit as a testimony that they have eternal life and thus saved.

Tell me how those 5 foolish virgins out to the market seeking to be filled are those that defend drunk in the "Spirit" whereas those that stay ready and resting in Him, waiting for the Bridegroom because they KNOW they are filled to not seek a continual filling is what this thread is really all about as that parable should expose that apostasy as not of Him.

Course, only God can cause the increase. I hope He does in peradventuring...
 

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Grace 777x77 I want to add the following link:

Talking Pentecostalism: The history of tongues

shows that, sorry for to say so, this movement is a movement where somebody else is behind, but not the Holy Spirit.
The most mentioned movements in this link are sects. Like the Montanists where the founder claims to be the in John 14, 16 promissed comforter.(Tertullian later join the montanism) Also Irvingians and the new apostolic Church, the Mormons are sects which doctrine has nothing to do with the teaching of our Lord.
Also is the doctrine from the baptising with the Holy Spirit and the evidence of speaking in tongues ore with other sign gifts, as an "second" baptism, after receiving the Holy Spirit is false teaching.
You cant find in the bible that the Holy Spirit makes differences in giving the gifts to the believer, according the denomination. That means as an example: the christians in Corinth got the gifts but the christians in Rom not.
I am sorry to say this, and i am knowing that meanwhile this view is a minority among christians. I cant believe this doctrine.
I would like do, because then i must not coming over in a maby for you injurious way.
 
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What blows my mind is the simple facts that are swept under the rug when it comes to acceptable worship....God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth....

Jesus called out the disciples that had been prepared by the ministry of John the Baptist, they had been saved, given evidence of salvation and were immersed and then called out by Jesus......they are identified as a church at least twice in the present tense....how did they worship when they met....

They were seated and taught the word of God......end of story......

The preaching of the word is the worship of God!
Didn't you say you were a former pastor?

Rom 12:1
New International Version
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship.

New Living Translation
And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice--the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

English Standard Version
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Berean Study Bible
Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

How is it you do not know this?
 
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Didn't you say you were a former pastor?

Rom 12:1
New International Version
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship.

New Living Translation
And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice--the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

English Standard Version
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Berean Study Bible
Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

How is it you do not know this?
What I said in my post is correct...the verse you cite has no bearing on what I posted.....so....what is your point other than to be contentious.....

The context is ASSEMBLY capacity worship....not individual servitude to God....nice cherry picking of translations that add (spiritual)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The bolded in your quote proves your motive
 
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Worshipping the Lord in Spirit is so wonderful. First time I heard it...sounded like angelic singing to me. And since I've found that they do join in at times. ;)