Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

[FranC]

Catholic dogma.....Nothing more

Do you know ANY history of the Church???

There was no catholic Church back when this was written.
Unless you mean the Universal Church.

You know all about languages, I'm sure you must know that Catholic means Universal.
It was the ONLY Church around. See? Universal.

It became the RCC, which you so hate, in the 300's under Constantine.

Study up.

 

[FreeNChrist]

*****when we received Christ we had free will-------to say we cannot turn away and reject Christ or return to sins which exclude us from the kingdom is saying we no longer have free will----I think this is a dangerous teaching giving people confidence the Scriptures do not grant----there are even warnings which state it is better to not been born than to have known the way of righteousness and depart from it (2 Peter 2:21)...

Now think about that for a moment. If we have Jesus living in us, and He has promised to never leave us or forsake us, how do you depart from Him?

 

[FranC]

AMEN to that...it is ALL JESUS...........100%

Uh.

It's NOT all Jesus.

YOU also have something to do with your salvation.

Do you know about Sanctification?
Could you explain it please?

(clue: it's not a Catholic thing - so you can't fall back on your usual excuse)

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you know ANY history of the Church???

There was no catholic Church back when this was written.
Unless you mean the Universal Church.

You know all about languages, I'm sure you must know that Catholic means Universal.
It was the ONLY Church around. See? Universal.

It became the RCC, which you so hate, in the 300's under Constantine.

Study up.

Sure....4 semester hours of church history...and even the word Catholic contradicts the word Ekklesia and how it was used in the bible......!

 

[wsblind]

If He is NOT OUR LORD, He cannot be our SAVIOR.
Seems simple, doesn't it.

I am guilty of this, so this is just to make us think. Me included.

Honestly now, how arrogant is the above statement?

Jesus Christ is Lord. We are not changing that fact no matter what.

Whether we are in lock step with Him, half on board with Him, or running from Him..........He is LORD.

Religion has a hard time understanding this. They are out trying to"make Jesus Lord" for their salvation. When Jesus Christ IS Lord of their salvation.

 

[FranC]

Now think about that for a moment. If we have Jesus living in us, and He has promised to never leave us or forsake us, how do you depart from Him?

Look at what you posted.

You answer your own question and aren't even aware of it.

JESUS DOES NOT LEAVE YOU.

YOU LEAVE HIM.

 

[dcontroversal]

Uh.

It's NOT all Jesus.

YOU also have something to do with your salvation.

Do you know about Sanctification?
Could you explain it please?

(clue: it's not a Catholic thing - so you can't fall back on your usual excuse)

Sure sanctification is dual in nature and application

Sanctified (positionally in Christ) at the point of salvation--> For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Sanctification of our daily lives by growth and maturity (Romans 12:1-2)

 

[FranC]

Sure....4 semester hours of church history...and even the word Catholic contradicts the word Ekklesia and how it was used in the bible......!

Oh. Are you referring to church with a small C
and Church with a capital C???

What's the difference?

Maybe the 4 semesters weren't wasted.
But they weren't sufficient either...

 

[FranC]

Sure sanctification is dual in nature and application

Sanctified (positionally in Christ) at the point of salvation--> For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Sanctification of our daily lives by growth and maturity (Romans 12:1-2)

NO NO NO.

4 Semesters.

You can do better than this.

Try again.

What is Justification?
What is Sanctification?
What is Glorification?

 

[willybob]

Martin Luther was a father of many false doctrines such as "faith alone" "Penal substitution" and "eternal security"

Why eternal security, because he wanted to be able to continue in sin and still inherit the kingdom....The devil keeps saying the same lie ever since the garden of Eden, "thou will not surely die"

"Your sin cannot cast you into hell" "No sin can harm me"
"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here in this world we have to sin. This life is not a dwelling place of righteousness"

"No sin will separate us from the lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day." (Paul said such vile sins of the flesh would disqualify one from onheariting the kingdom)


"Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to." Martin Luther

He seemed to think you can get back at the devil by sinning more. Its truly sad that someone theology could be that far removed from the truth in scripture....

 

[FreeNChrist]

Do you know ANY history of the Church???

There was no catholic Church back when this was written.
Unless you mean the Universal Church.

You know all about languages, I'm sure you must know that Catholic means Universal.
It was the ONLY Church around. See? Universal.

It became the RCC, which you so hate, in the 300's under Constantine.

Study up.

The early church fathers got some stuff right. They certainly didn't get everything right. Nor did they have everything revealed to them at that time.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Look at what you posted.

You answer your own question and aren't even aware of it.

JESUS DOES NOT LEAVE YOU.

YOU LEAVE HIM.

Naw, you missed it. How do you leave Him when He lives in you?

 

[FranC]

I am guilty of this, so this is just to make us think. Me included.

Honestly now, how arrogant is the above statement?

Jesus Christ is Lord. We are not changing that fact no matter what.

Whether we are in lock step with Him, half on board with Him, or running from Him..........He is LORD.

Religion has a hard time understanding this. They are out trying to"make Jesus Lord" for their salvation. When Jesus Christ IS Lord of their salvation.

Excuse me.

If you are RUNNING FROM HIM (your words)

HOW IS HE YOUR LORD???

There are only two directions to go.

Running TOWARD God
Or running toward the enemy.

If you're running FROM GOD
You're running TOWARD the enemy.

If you're running from Him (God)
HOW COULD YOU STILL BE SAVED, if you're running to satan???

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you know ANY history of the Church???

There was no catholic Church back when this was written.
Unless you mean the Universal Church.

You know all about languages, I'm sure you must know that Catholic means Universal.
It was the ONLY Church around. See? Universal.

It became the RCC, which you so hate, in the 300's under Constantine.

Study up.

It is the 21st Century 2017 and your source of belief means nothing......the BIBLE trumps any and ALL books, documents, letters etc. written about it by men not inspired!

The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament,[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical,[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP] In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon. However, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church "broader canon" includes the Didascalia, a work which draws on the Didache. Many English and American scholars once dated the text to the late 2nd century CE,[SUP][3][/SUP] a view still held today,[SUP][13][/SUP] but most scholars now assign the Didache to the first century.[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual.[SUP][[/SUP]

 

[FreeNChrist]

Uh.

It's NOT all Jesus.

YOU also have something to do with your salvation.

Do you know about Sanctification?
Could you explain it please?

(clue: it's not a Catholic thing - so you can't fall back on your usual excuse)

Justification is Christs work for us. Sanctification is Christs work within us.

 

[FranC]

Naw, you missed it. How do you leave Him when He lives in you?

You have free will my dear man.

If you had free will to accept God,
Do you now become a slave or puppet to Him?

NO.

You still have free will.
Your free will allows you to abandon Him.

Are you married?
If your wife wants to leave you, for whatever reason, and wants to be away from you,
and you FORCE HER AGAINST HER FREE WILL to stay with you,

Is that a satisfying relationship?

Do you think GOD wants any LESS than you, a mere human, wants???

God desires that you love Him freely.

If you WANT TO LEAVE HIM, He ALLOWS you to leave Him.

 

[FranC]

It is the 21st Century 2017 and your source of belief means nothing......the BIBLE trumps any and ALL books, documents, letters etc. written about it by men not inspired!

The Didache is considered part of the group of second-generation Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. The work was considered by some Church Fathers to be a part of the New Testament,[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] while being rejected by others as spurious or non-canonical,[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP] In the end, it was not accepted into the New Testament canon. However, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church "broader canon" includes the Didascalia, a work which draws on the Didache. Many English and American scholars once dated the text to the late 2nd century CE,[SUP][3][/SUP] a view still held today,[SUP][13][/SUP] but most scholars now assign the Didache to the first century.[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual.[SUP][[/SUP]

You don't like it because it has WORKS in it. A dirty word lately, but one JESUS used a lot.

Your source is not accurate. As usual, you went to Google and picked something out.

STUDY IT.

Read it and see if it agrees with what the bible says.
Do a report on it.

And don't forget about.

Justification
Sanctification
Glorification

What does sancitified mean, anyway???

 

[FranC]

Justification is Christs work for us. Sanctification is Christs work within us.

Come on.

Make believe you had to teach this stuff.

Give a little more detail.

I'm an ignorant person and know nothing.

 

[wsblind]

Here is something every OSAS believer might want to study.
Although I truly doubt that they would...

It's about The Didache
An early Church "Instruction Manual"

Didache

Have you ever heard of progressive revelation?

The early church also believed in universalism. And many other whacked out doctrines. but they progressively worked through many of them.

And I am in the frame of mind that the world tries very hard to conceal the truth. ANd the world doesn't really try to hide what the early church fathers taught. early church fathers get a hefty grain of salt with me.

I think God always had small doctrinal churches going that the world has tried to hide, and has done a pretty good Job at hiding them. You have to seek em out if one WANTS the truth.

 

[Grace777x70]

This is what believers in the grace of our Lord Jesus have to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy.

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive..passive is that something is being done to you continuously in the present tense...the Spirit of the Lord in us changing us. )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is in us.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."