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trofimus

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Also, your assertion that the KJV was deemed "The Bible" for over 300 years is without historical support or reference. In other words, it's your opinion, and is without merit in a discussion of facts.

Such argument is also very weak. LXX has been "The Bible" for 2500 years and Latin Vulgate is for 1700 years.

But they do not care - they have double standards. If it is about the KJV, its a key argument, if it is about "corrupted texts", its is not important argument at all...
 
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BTW, the majority of those who stand firmly on the KJV are NOT Ruckmanites, or fans of Gail Ripplinger. These two have actually brought disgrace to a noble position, and have been taken to task for their nonsense.
Hmmm. Not around here. But, prove it, you're speaking for the entirety or at the least the majority of KJVO's, so grab some documentation, or your opinion doesn't have any merit.

That said, many if not most of that the KJVO crowd teach and believe are the things that Riplinger and Ruckman adhere to and teach/taught themselves. :D
 
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I am King James only because I believe God left a perfect bible here on earth. There cannot be multiple perfect versions because they all say different things. I realize my stance annoys people. I shared this playlist for the King James supporters to watch and if anyone has a rebuttal please feel free to leave a comment on one of their vids. Not here to debate.

God said he would preserve his words here on earth.

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
You should do what I did...start your own CC group & invite those who agree with your position to join the group.

I am pro-giving but anti-mandatory-tithing. I don't usually address the issue in the forums unless someone pushes tithing.

When I come across others who are pro-giving(but oppose mandated tithing), I sometimes invite them to the group I created.
 
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Okay so the guy in the videos posted by the OP is a premillennial dispensationalist clearly, who claims the King James Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture and is KJVonly, he even goes so far as to say all other bibles are satanic. Allrighty then, now the plot thickens: The translators of the KJV were: amillennial. *crickets*
 

trofimus

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Okay so the guy in the videos posted by the OP is a premillennial dispensationalist clearly, who claims the King James Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture and is KJVonly, he even goes so far as to say all other bibles are satanic. Allrighty then, now the plot thickens: The translators of the KJV were: amillennial. *crickets*
I could not watch him even for 10 minutes. So many errors, bad logic, wrong facts, oversimplification...
 

trofimus

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Okay so the guy in the videos posted by the OP is a premillennial dispensationalist clearly, who claims the King James Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture and is KJVonly, he even goes so far as to say all other bibles are satanic. Allrighty then, now the plot thickens: The translators of the KJV were: amillennial. *crickets*
I could not watch him even for 10 minutes. So many errors, bad logic, wrong facts, oversimplification...

Steven Anderson is amusing to watch, at least :)
 
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One thing about my (not KJV) Bible:

I don't need continuous argumentation, evidences, concocted defenses, lectures, acrostic algebra, attacks on other versions, excuses for errant verses, chalk talk, Gipp-isms, numerology, lying defenses, nut job cultists, conventions on a version, Youtube conspiracy videos, Ruckmanites &c, KJVO websites, books designed to defend a version, out of context Psalm 12 arguments, or any such like to bolster my faith in God's Word.

Ever.

KJVO'ers on the other hand need all the above, continually, to bolster their faith in God's Word.
IOW, all Brother P4T needs is his trusty NIV.

#NIVO
#FessupBrudder
 

Bladerunner

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Why? Such a necessity does not follow logically.

Why should all generations know perfectly what God said to some people thousands years ago?

If God said to Noah something slightly different than what is recorded in your KJV, what will happen to you?
Boy you are good,, I'll give you that......Smooth! but not smooth enough!

In 2 Tim 3:16...God tells us ..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is GOD speaking...Now do you believe that He would have put that verse there if it were not true? Yes or No ? be truthful now....

Do you think that He would LET Puny Mankind CHANGE it?

Oh, come on now, You believe God cannot stop Mankind from rewriting His words. If you do then you sir are in a lot more trouble than you know or probably care.

In my opinion, GOD's WORD is true from one end of the KJV to the other. What HE said to Noah a few thousand years ago MATTERS, Yes, it Matters if there is a difference in the Bible and what He said it Said....It means MAN Screwed it up again.

The KJV for me is still the King of the HILL and will be for a short period of time longer. You and I cannot debate the verses because I read them as the literal Word of GOD and you read them as symbols, allusions enabling you to turn scripture around making it say anything that is convenient for your lifestyle and/or world views or for pressing an Ideaology on the uninformed.

BUT in the END
when those scriptures you and others change are found not to be what GOD has said HE said, it is calling GOD a Liar! Plain and Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Bladerunner

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Again you made an error. The KJV is not the word of God. Its an edition, compilation and translation of Scriptures.

So you should say "My understanding of the KJV verse there and here validates my beliefs". Nothing more.

NO, the KJV is the WORD of GOD and it can be proven although not to those who are blinded as your are!

 

Dino246

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Boy you are good,, I'll give you that......Smooth! but not smooth enough!

In 2 Tim 3:16...God tells us ..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
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The KJV for me is still the King of the HILL and will be for a short period of time longer. You and I cannot debate the verses because I read them as the literal Word of GOD and you read them as symbols, allusions enabling you to turn scripture around making it say anything that is convenient for your lifestyle and/or world views or for pressing an Ideaology on the uninformed.

BUT in the END
when those scriptures you and others change are found not to be what GOD has said HE said, it is calling GOD a Liar! Plain and Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So let me get this straight: if someone thinks that a verse in the KJV is incorrect, based on good evidence, that person is calling God a liar? That doesn't follow.

You used the phrase, "the scriptures you and others change"... change from what? The KJV? Since when is the KJV the absolute and objective standard against which all other translations are measured?

Do you any languages other than English? Do you know anything about translation between languages? Or do you believe that a given sentence in Greek or Hebrew can be translated into one and only one English sentence?

Regarding your comment about changing the word "to make it convenient for your lifestyle" I suggest you tone down your rhetoric, dispense with self-righteous proclamations, and avoid implicit and inappropriate accusations. It's unbecoming for a Christian.
 

Bladerunner

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Hebrew is a language. Like English.

Give me example like the KJV - a specific Bible in Hebrew or in Greek or in whatever language you wish that is perfectly preserved.

If you believe in a preservation, text must be the same through all the history. So point it out. Where was it till the KJV?

Oh,,,,,, you really stepped in it now....TEXT----"a book or other written or printed work, regarded in terms of its content rather than its physical form."

It is what I have been trying to tell anyone who would listen....Literally taking the word of God is based on context, context, context.

I would suggest you read up on your Bible (the KJV version 1604 to 1611 )
 
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Boy you are good,, I'll give you that......Smooth! but not smooth enough!

In 2 Tim 3:16...God tells us ..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is GOD speaking...Now do you believe that He would have put that verse there if it were not true? Yes or No ? be truthful now....

Do you think that He would LET Puny Mankind CHANGE it?

Oh, come on now, You believe God cannot stop Mankind from rewriting His words. If you do then you sir are in a lot more trouble than you know or probably care.

In my opinion, GOD's WORD is true from one end of the KJV to the other. What HE said to Noah a few thousand years ago MATTERS, Yes, it Matters if there is a difference in the Bible and what He said it Said....It means MAN Screwed it up again.

The KJV for me is still the King of the HILL and will be for a short period of time longer. You and I cannot debate the verses because I read them as the literal Word of GOD and you read them as symbols, allusions enabling you to turn scripture around making it say anything that is convenient for your lifestyle and/or world views or for pressing an Ideaology on the uninformed.

BUT in the END
when those scriptures you and others change are found not to be what GOD has said HE said, it is calling GOD a Liar! Plain and Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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Oh,,,,,, you really stepped in it now....TEXT----"a book or other written or printed work, regarded in terms of its content rather than its physical form."

It is what I have been trying to tell anyone who would listen....Literally taking the word of God is based on context, context, context.

I would suggest you read up on your Bible (the KJV version 1604 to 1611 )


Oh dear!! My sides!! My eyes are burning from the tears I have been crying from laughing sooooooo hard!! Please stop!!
 

trofimus

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Boy you are good,, I'll give you that......Smooth! but not smooth enough!

In 2 Tim 3:16...God tells us ..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is GOD speaking...Now do you believe that He would have put that verse there if it were not true? Yes or No ? be truthful now....


There is a difference between word of God, Scriptures and Bible

Word of God - sayings, prophecy, information, message, command given by God
Scriptures - writings made by inspired authors or by people in their company
Bible - text created by compilators, copyist, editors and translators, printed and sold in stores

So, what is the 2 Tim 3:16? About the KJV edition and translation? No. About Scriptures? Yes.

The KJV is not "Scriptures". KJV is a version, a translation, a selection of Scriptures.
And is made by people, not by inspiration.
 

tanakh

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I thought the KJB were the Soviet spy organization that Putin once belonged to