For the believer, when does God forgive sins?

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Pilgrimshope

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Yes. It's true of all people.
Yes Noah was different

in that he obeyed god and walked an upright life

about tbat doctrine of Jesus is true for believers not unbelievers in Christ they don’t have an atonement they have rejected his judgement that could save them
 

Pilgrimshope

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God has consigned all to disobedience.
Mmhm and then he offered freedom from it in the New Testament

“To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34-36‬ ‭

Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil;

live as God’s servants .”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh;

rather, serve one another humbly in love.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭

The whole world was turned over to disobedience because they rejected Gids word when he was speaking and revealing things

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:18, 21-26‬ ‭

the gospel is about being born again in Christ as new creatures not bound to sin and death but set free like Adam again before he chose the knoweldge of good and evil over Gods word

we can now hesr and believe Jesus through the gospel and have our sins remitted and receive the spirit of God

That doesn’t leave anyone without freedom it brings freedom to former slaves that can now choose to live and not die through faith in Christ

we can be redeemed from that state and snare of Satan if we acknolwedge the truth

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus can change us and set us free from sins control over us it doesn’t happen overnight and doesn’t happen without believing the truth

This is Gods offer of mercy upon all

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s no work to be found but it requires one to trust fully the word of our God
 

Cameron143

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Yes Noah was different

in that he obeyed god and walked an upright life

about tbat doctrine of Jesus is true for believers not unbelievers in Christ they don’t have an atonement they have rejected his judgement that could save them
He was different before the grace of God came to him?
How about Abraham? Was he different from the people of his time before the Lord came to him?
How about Saul of Tarsus? What was he like before the Lord came to him?
 

Magenta

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Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs
to it forever
. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” ‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34-36‬ ‭
Yes, and amen, thank God for Jesus, Who sets us free from the law of sin and death.


John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, and amen, thank God for Jesus, Who sets us free from the law of sin and death.


John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
:)
Amen sister
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭

“There is one body, “

“Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one Spirit,

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭

“one hope of your calling”

“for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“one Lord, “

“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one faith,

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one baptism,

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

One God

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:

blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and father of all

“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:7, 9‬ ‭

I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who is above all,

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Common denominator is that it’s always about Jesus our lord and the gospel of his everlasting kingdom of light and life
 

Pilgrimshope

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He was different before the grace of God came to him?
How about Abraham? Was he different from the people of his time before the Lord came to him?
How about Saul of Tarsus? What was he like before the Lord came to him?
You just always look for ways to avoid everything it’s a circle jesus has come to everyone and he’s spoken to everyone

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s salvation available for all but like it says some won’t believe what he actually said in the gospel or what he did for us so they’ll be damned like he said

Its in the world already salvation is to believe the lord not avoid what he said

grace comes from hearing the lord and believing him like Noah did , that’s all we have to do too believe the gospel and what it actually does say

i don’t really want to keep going in the circles



 

Magenta

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Amen sister
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith,
one baptism
,one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭

“There is one body, “

“Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one Spirit,

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭

“one hope of your calling”

“for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“one Lord, “

“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one faith,

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one baptism,

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

One God

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:

blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ephesians 4:5-6
:)
 

Magenta

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and father of all

“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” ‭‭John‬ ‭14:7, 9‬ ‭

I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who is above all,

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Common denominator is that it’s always about Jesus our lord and the gospel of his everlasting kingdom of light and life

Philippians 2:9-11
:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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😍😍😍

“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:18-23‬ ‭

we just hold on to our faith band grow up on him and it’s as sure as anything he’s ever said