For the believer, when does God forgive sins?
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Mmhm and then he offered freedom from it in the New Testament
“To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
John 8:31-32, 34-36
“Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil;
live as God’s servants .”
1 Peter 2:16 NIV
“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh;
rather, serve one another humbly in love.”
Galatians 5:13
The whole world was turned over to disobedience because they rejected Gids word when he was speaking and revealing things
“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.”
Romans 1:18, 21-26
the gospel is about being born again in Christ as new creatures not bound to sin and death but set free like Adam again before he chose the knoweldge of good and evil over Gods word
we can now hesr and believe Jesus through the gospel and have our sins remitted and receive the spirit of God
That doesn’t leave anyone without freedom it brings freedom to former slaves that can now choose to live and not die through faith in Christ
we can be redeemed from that state and snare of Satan if we acknolwedge the truth
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
Jesus can change us and set us free from sins control over us it doesn’t happen overnight and doesn’t happen without believing the truth
This is Gods offer of mercy upon all
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s no work to be found but it requires one to trust fully the word of our God
“To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
John 8:31-32, 34-36
“Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil;
live as God’s servants .”
1 Peter 2:16 NIV
“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh;
rather, serve one another humbly in love.”
Galatians 5:13
The whole world was turned over to disobedience because they rejected Gids word when he was speaking and revealing things
“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.”
Romans 1:18, 21-26
the gospel is about being born again in Christ as new creatures not bound to sin and death but set free like Adam again before he chose the knoweldge of good and evil over Gods word
we can now hesr and believe Jesus through the gospel and have our sins remitted and receive the spirit of God
That doesn’t leave anyone without freedom it brings freedom to former slaves that can now choose to live and not die through faith in Christ
we can be redeemed from that state and snare of Satan if we acknolwedge the truth
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV
Jesus can change us and set us free from sins control over us it doesn’t happen overnight and doesn’t happen without believing the truth
This is Gods offer of mercy upon all
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s no work to be found but it requires one to trust fully the word of our God
Yes, and amen, thank God for Jesus, Who sets us free from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6
“There is one body, “
“Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”
1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV
one Spirit,
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
Romans 8:9
“one hope of your calling”
“for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
Colossians 1:5 KJV
“one Lord, “
“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:11 KJV
one faith,
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:26 KJV
one baptism,
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
One God
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
John 20:28-29 KJV
and father of all
“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:7, 9
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30 KJV
who is above all,
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:9-13 KJV
Common denominator is that it’s always about Jesus our lord and the gospel of his everlasting kingdom of light and life
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You just always look for ways to avoid everything it’s a circle jesus has come to everyone and he’s spoken to everyone
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:15-16, 19 KJV
that’s salvation available for all but like it says some won’t believe what he actually said in the gospel or what he did for us so they’ll be damned like he said
Its in the world already salvation is to believe the lord not avoid what he said
grace comes from hearing the lord and believing him like Noah did , that’s all we have to do too believe the gospel and what it actually does say
i don’t really want to keep going in the circles
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:15-16, 19 KJV
that’s salvation available for all but like it says some won’t believe what he actually said in the gospel or what he did for us so they’ll be damned like he said
Its in the world already salvation is to believe the lord not avoid what he said
grace comes from hearing the lord and believing him like Noah did , that’s all we have to do too believe the gospel and what it actually does say
i don’t really want to keep going in the circles
Ephesians 4:5-6
“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;”
Colossians 1:18-23
we just hold on to our faith band grow up on him and it’s as sure as anything he’s ever said
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How is it that Jesus tells believers they can do nothing apart from Him, and yet unbelievers are able to get saved before they are part of Him?
The reason I'm asking is because it would be just as easy for me to share verses of Jesus saying things that you seem to contradict. For instance, John 6:39...all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again on the last day...
Who is all that the Father has given to Christ? Those who are saved? How is it such a one can lose their salvation if Jesus insures it? So what is true of those who associate themselves with Christ, yet fall away? Wouldn't Jesus have to go after them and bring them back if He is to claim He lost none? And yet some fall away and do not return? Did Jesus fail them or were they never given to Him?
The reason I'm asking is because it would be just as easy for me to share verses of Jesus saying things that you seem to contradict. For instance, John 6:39...all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again on the last day...
Who is all that the Father has given to Christ? Those who are saved? How is it such a one can lose their salvation if Jesus insures it? So what is true of those who associate themselves with Christ, yet fall away? Wouldn't Jesus have to go after them and bring them back if He is to claim He lost none? And yet some fall away and do not return? Did Jesus fail them or were they never given to Him?
Reading through this thread, this is what Paul or really the sweet Holy Spirit was saying, we move on.. hmm good word "elementary". We start eating meat. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." Not good with words forgive me .. trying. Haha well thinking love to say because I'm getting old 63 but.. na its been me from the start. Ooh good song by the late BJ Thomas. Not here to debate someone's personal belief.
Sorry but this is grade school stuff "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." It's also written "Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
It's as if some only see one person in the mirror and believe He didn't die for future sins. I can't tell you how many times over 50+ years when I fell or fall still "thats' why I died" or asking me when all I saw was the sin I did He asks me "What is righteousness" I answer He asks "how do you get righteousness". See the sweet Holy Spirit by our elder brother Paul said its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. So who are you? GOD can dwell with sin? God forbid. It's the new man which after God was/is created in righteousness and true holiness. You it.. Put on the new man.. put off "that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.". So who are you today?
Seems some are still waking living as they were when christ walked this earth before (ooh this is where the people shout) He died and rose. They were all living by the law. This don't forgive you Father won't forgive you. I understand that before He died and rose but.. how does this work today? Is He some how holding it against me? OT GOD saying I will remember their sins no more. So what sin can I do that He remembers? What sin did not get covered yet not covered but its gone forever. What do I do if I sin? If I don't repent as in forget .. still saved still going to heaven. Its just puts something between me and my Father. It gives the enemy the right to do things. Hey God didn't open that door to sin I did. I say sorry I repent I turn over a new leaf so to speak and not do that sin any more.
He not man He taught me by asking me "what is righteousness" I answered and He then asked "how do you get righteousness". See all I saw was the sin I did and wow that margin said I would not get anything from Him.. so I was going to quit. See He died I died.. He rose I rose..who am I today? Am I still the old man or the new man? That old man has not been changed or born from above yet. it's no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. Who are you? The new man or old man? This is very hard for some to see to understand because all you see in the mirror is just you and those thoughts and desires were not some demon but just you.. and man you really have to work to stay holy to stay righteous blah blah blah. I don't know about you.. but with in me .. I have no desire to sin.. I have never since He found me ask Him.. never thought "ooh I can freely sin now". He always says "that's why I died".
I don't sin to then try to offer some sacrifice for that sin like those Jewish believers did where the sweet Holy Spirit said by Paul "there is no more sacrifice for that sin. He can not die again". Do you not see? He died for the sin of the world. He didn't come to condemn the sinner but to save them. In some transcripts some words are not there.. some forget this and do not share that part..
So I guess I can just say.. if I sin miss I say sorry/repent not to be forgiven thats haha a given it's done already. But I have not right to freely sin. He still hates sin that will never change. It buts something between us and also.. it's something I should not dwell on aka the sin. We at times share things that give Him no glory but gives the enemy glory. I am the righteousness of God..I am a citizen of heaven.. I am seated in Heavenly places and I should always come before the Thorne of grace. Who are you? This is no groups doctrine man I don't like that when people toss that out because it sound like what some other group or *ism believes. I share what I know what I have experienced not what some group said or believes..
Love you all
Sorry but this is grade school stuff "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." It's also written "Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
It's as if some only see one person in the mirror and believe He didn't die for future sins. I can't tell you how many times over 50+ years when I fell or fall still "thats' why I died" or asking me when all I saw was the sin I did He asks me "What is righteousness" I answer He asks "how do you get righteousness". See the sweet Holy Spirit by our elder brother Paul said its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. So who are you? GOD can dwell with sin? God forbid. It's the new man which after God was/is created in righteousness and true holiness. You it.. Put on the new man.. put off "that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.". So who are you today?
Seems some are still waking living as they were when christ walked this earth before (ooh this is where the people shout) He died and rose. They were all living by the law. This don't forgive you Father won't forgive you. I understand that before He died and rose but.. how does this work today? Is He some how holding it against me? OT GOD saying I will remember their sins no more. So what sin can I do that He remembers? What sin did not get covered yet not covered but its gone forever. What do I do if I sin? If I don't repent as in forget .. still saved still going to heaven. Its just puts something between me and my Father. It gives the enemy the right to do things. Hey God didn't open that door to sin I did. I say sorry I repent I turn over a new leaf so to speak and not do that sin any more.
He not man He taught me by asking me "what is righteousness" I answered and He then asked "how do you get righteousness". See all I saw was the sin I did and wow that margin said I would not get anything from Him.. so I was going to quit. See He died I died.. He rose I rose..who am I today? Am I still the old man or the new man? That old man has not been changed or born from above yet. it's no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. Who are you? The new man or old man? This is very hard for some to see to understand because all you see in the mirror is just you and those thoughts and desires were not some demon but just you.. and man you really have to work to stay holy to stay righteous blah blah blah. I don't know about you.. but with in me .. I have no desire to sin.. I have never since He found me ask Him.. never thought "ooh I can freely sin now". He always says "that's why I died".
I don't sin to then try to offer some sacrifice for that sin like those Jewish believers did where the sweet Holy Spirit said by Paul "there is no more sacrifice for that sin. He can not die again". Do you not see? He died for the sin of the world. He didn't come to condemn the sinner but to save them. In some transcripts some words are not there.. some forget this and do not share that part..
So I guess I can just say.. if I sin miss I say sorry/repent not to be forgiven thats haha a given it's done already. But I have not right to freely sin. He still hates sin that will never change. It buts something between us and also.. it's something I should not dwell on aka the sin. We at times share things that give Him no glory but gives the enemy glory. I am the righteousness of God..I am a citizen of heaven.. I am seated in Heavenly places and I should always come before the Thorne of grace. Who are you? This is no groups doctrine man I don't like that when people toss that out because it sound like what some other group or *ism believes. I share what I know what I have experienced not what some group said or believes..
Love you all
