forgive future sin? Matt 18: 21,

Enow · Mar 14, 2017

Which is where trusting Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us discern good & evil by the KJV to know where we need His help to depart from iniquity when He has helped exposed that work of darkness to us so that we would know what we need His help for in repentance.

Like.... some believe fornication is prostitution when fornication means sex before marriage... or how masturbation is also included in the work of the flesh called "uncleanness" that believers need His help to repent from as well.

So sinners are in pretty bad shape to begin with as we were before we were all saved; and knowing how to be saved does not include knowing all iniquity that we needed to depart from. That is what we are trusting Him for as our Good Shepherd.

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure........[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So there is a race to be run and it is still by faith in Jesus Christ, but as our Good Shepherd and not just as our Savior.

Enow · Mar 14, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

I have checked all those references at the link below and none touch on future sins but sins that have been committed that are forgiven which leads into the call for us to forgive others presently as Jesus has forgiven us.

If we are to forgive only once then there would be no call to forgive continuously on our part. And because we are to forgive continuously on our part as Jesus has led us to pray for forgiveness from the Father, that ALSO shows our need for our Advocate to forgive us of our sins when we commit a sin. 1 John 2:1-2 & 1 John 1:9

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10%3A43%3B2+Corinthians+5%3A19%3BColossians+1%3A14%3BColossians+2%3A13%3BColossians+3%3A13%3BEphesians+1%3A7%3BEphesians+4%3A32%3B1+John+2%3A12%3BHebrews+8%3A12%3BHebrews+10%3A17&version=KJV

eternally-gratefull · Mar 14, 2017

p_rehbein said:

Yep. We are to forgive him, UNCONDITIONALLY> That is TRUE LOVE< the LOVE OF THE FATHER.

Here we have the arrogance of legalism again, You have to add things never said, Where did I say this? I do not have to tell the person ANYTHING, He told ME TO FORGIVE HIM, he did not tell HIM TO ASK ME FOR IT.

Ahh,, Here we go should have seen this coming, Your normal strawman argument, See, You have to look at particular sins again, Where do you get off in doing this, Nothing but typical legalism.. I do nto drink smoke or cuss, I do not commit murder or rape etc etc. So I am okk..

When are you going to realize. When you say a white lie. When you do not do what you know is right, When you even get a small bit of road rage, In Gods eyes, you went and raped and murdered people.. You think you deserve to be forgiven because your sin was not as bad? That's the problem, You scream and yell repent. When you just proved You yourself have not repented. You think your ok because you have not done those things.

Well news flash. YOUR NOT OK!!

Silly man, your looking at mans point of view. ANy sins you have not yet forgiven In gods view they are already past tense. He knows everything you will ever do. He knew it the moment he saved you (if he did save you)

you want to humanize God. Fee free. count me out.

Legalism is going to cause a whole bunch of people to THINK they are saved, when they are not..

eternally-gratefull · Mar 14, 2017

Embankment said:

or forgot.. Our minds are not like Gods, the older we get, the worse it gets..

trofimus · Mar 14, 2017

Similar topic:

When I ask for something right now and God knows that I will sin one hour later, will it hinder what I am asking right now?

FreeNChrist · Mar 14, 2017

Enow said:

They confirm that in Christ we HAVE forgiveness. We HAVE forgiveness now. And we will have it when tommorrow becomes today. We HAVE forgiveness because we have the One in whom is our forgiveness, Jesus Christ.

FreeNChrist · Mar 14, 2017

trofimus said:

God is not Santa Claus.

Enow · Mar 14, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

We have His forgiveness when we confess our sins and by walking in the light with His help in repentance as 1 John 1st chapter testifies, we are maintaining that fellowship with the Father & the Son by the grace of God.

Do feel free to address 1 John 2:1-2 if we have no need to ask for forgiveness because then there would be need for Jesus to be our Advocate for future sins.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

His words says that there is a need to walk in the light and any believer living in sin that claims to have fellowship with Him while walking in darkness is not telling the truth.

So once again, it is not about salvation, but abiding in Him in having fellowship with Him as we walk with Him in the light.

It is not a principle, but a reconciled relationship with God to live through Jesus Christ that needs constant tending to with His help & by His grace through faith in Him & all His promises to us while in this vile body of death.

That is how we get to know Him & the power of His resurrection when we see Him being our Good Shepherd in helping us to follow Him by faith in Him & His promises to us alone.

trofimus · Mar 14, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

It is clearly said in the New Testament, that God will not hear sinners, but only those who are doing His will.

Santa Claus is not part of my culture.

FreeNChrist · Mar 14, 2017

Enow said:

We have His forgiveness when we confess our sins and by walking in the light with His help in repentance as 1 John 1st chapter testifies, we are maintaining that fellowship with the Father & the Son by the grace of God.

Do feel free to address 1 John 2:1-2 if we have no need to ask for forgiveness because then there would be need for Jesus to be our Advocate for future sins.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

His words says that there is a need to walk in the light and any believer living in sin that claims to have fellowship with Him while walking in darkness is not telling the truth.

So once again, it is not about salvation, but abiding in Him in having fellowship with Him as we walk with Him in the light.

It is not a principle, but a reconciled relationship with God to live through Jesus Christ that needs constant tending to with His help & by His grace through faith in Him & all His promises to us while in this vile body of death.

That is how we get to know Him & the power of His resurrection when we see Him being our Good Shepherd in helping us to follow Him by faith in Him & His promises to us alone.

Our forgiveness is in Christ Jesus, those who are in Christ HAVE forgiveness.

Colossians 1:14 - "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

Ephesians 1:7 - "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"

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Grace777x70 · Mar 14, 2017

We receive forgiveness of sins when we believe the message of Christ Himself. We have word-for-word accounts of the true gospel being preached by Peter in Acts 10 and Paul in Acts 13.

We become new creations in Christ joined as one spirit with the Lord. 1 Cor. 6:17, 2 Cor. 5:17

Some of the modern day evangelical beliefs do not conform to the gospel that Peter and Paul preached which is why they are fighting against the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection. Oh, they give "lip-service" to the grace of God because they can't get around Eph. 2:8-10 but they do not rely on what Christ has done by His blood which we receive by grace through faith alone.

I invite anyone to go read the true gospel being preached and you will see that it is not the modern day message from our current evangelical belief system.

Here is Peter in Acts 10:34-48 Here is the operative verse for the gospel.

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Here is Paul preaching the exact same gospel message in Acts 13 when Paul is speaking to the Jews at the time - the operative verse is:

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

The message of forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is to believe in the message of Christ and they receive the forgiveness of sins.

Tinkerbell725 · Mar 14, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Righteousness/sanctification is a process. Becoming like Jesus is a process because we are not perfect. We are like silver being polished until Christ is formed in us. Just because you are forgiven you can sit there and bask doing nothing instead of putting your faith into action. Jesus has forgiven and commanded us to sin no more. Sin no more means to avoid any appearance of evil, fight the desires of the flesh, follow Jesus, do your best to walk in rghteousness, overcome evil with good, and carry your cross everyday. Noah got saved because of God's grace AND because he obeyed God and built the ark. If he did not obey, God's grace would go to waste. His action is the result of his faith. If righteousness is instant like magic then why is there a need to follow Jesus, fight the desires of the flesh or carry your cross?

p_rehbein · Mar 14, 2017

Funny part is......EVEN DCONN disagrees with you.............HE CLAIMS he has NEVER SAID that a person does not have to repent and ask forgiveness for their sins.............he went all OSAS crazy eyed screaming all sorts of junk at me when I challenged his insulting comments towards believers who do not agree with his OSAS ideology

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

KEEP lying pal...everyone can read and see you attacked me and this thread with twisted and embellished accusations and things I DID NOT SAY NOR IMPLY

For someone who teaches you can lose salvation...Hebrews states you can never get it back (if it were possible)

AND I WILL ADD....GO FIND ONE PLACE where I EVER SAID one does not have to repent and or confess SIN....I will gladly wait........POST IT HERE..VERBATIM!

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I guess you and Dconn are going to have to work all of this out huh?

AS WELL..............EVEN YOU do not believe the stuff you are saying here............all that "forgiving thy neighbor seventy times seven FOR FUTURE SINS...............How do I know this? Pretty simple.

IF YOU DID BELIEVE IT you would not be posting demeaning and degrading comments towards me...........YOU WOULD FORGIVE ME! Isn't that what you ARE SUPPOSE TO DO?

funny...............too, too funny.

And it's clear you think I have trespassed against you, otherwise you wouldn't be all panties in a wad, bent out of shape.

The ARROGANCE lies with the OSASers who think they can do whatever they want, live however they want once they are saved, because, HEY, IT'S ALL GOOD! WE DID THAT ASK FORGIVENESS THING ONCE! That, sir, is the pinnacle of ARROGANCE.

I and others live in Christian humility because we know we are not perfect, and we can fail, and sin, so we strive to live Christ like, and not sin, BUT IF WE DO, we also know to repent and ask God to forgive us of our failings.

You guys be like...............no need for that.............and that is the arrogance in all of this.

Get with Dconn and figure all of this out

Oh, and since you decided to post demeaning and degrading comments towards me, you best repent and work a little harder on that seventy times seven thing, right?

too...........too............funny

eternally-gratefull said:

p_rehbein · Mar 14, 2017

Ephesians 4:21) If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 .) That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 .) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 .) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 .) Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 .) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 .) Neither give place to the devil.
28 .) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 .) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 .) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 .) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 .) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Hmm...................let us review some of the comments here to see how they compare to the Word eh?

too........too funny

fredoheaven · Mar 15, 2017

I have seen some extreme views elsewhere that pops in this thread but am still way behind reading the whole thread.

PeterJens · Mar 15, 2017

Is forgiving sin conditional? Yes.

God forgives our sin if we repent and believe on Jesus. Without this sin is not forgiven.

So if future sin was forgiven, there would be no conditions involved within the forgiveness,
because you could not forgive sin, unless the conditions were also fulfilled.

It is impossible to repent of deeds you do not know you will do, or when, until you have
commited them. I am sure someone will suggest you can have future repentance, but then
you could also have future faith, so everyone is actually saved, because in the future they
will believe. The problem is things only exist in two places. In the past and in the present.

The future for us is always a maybe.

Once people are so desperate to believe God accepts them no matter what because their
fear of rejection is like agrophobia, their solution is future forgiveness.

My problem with all this theology, is it presumes future sin, which is unbelief in the power
of the cross to reform and transform our hearts. If we could predict our futures, why are
we believing in Christ at all. We believe in Christ because we know He can do the impossible,
rise from the dead, conquer sin and death. So in Him we inherit this also, through the
pain and struggles as we walk in transformation and sanctification.

Grace777x70 · Mar 15, 2017

We will never be more righteous than the day we receive Christ and become a new creation in Him. Christ's righteousness given to believers as a gift is a stumbling block to us D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness works-based humanistic mindsets.

The understanding of the new creation in Christ and the new identity of the believer is paramount to living the true Christian life.

Here it says our spirit ( the inner person that is a new creation in Christ ) is alive because of righteousness that it is it.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Here righteousness is a gift - you don't earn it by what you do or don't do.

Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

We have grace reigning in our lives because of righteousness in us.

Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21[/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here righteousness comes by faith.

Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Here when we believe - we are righteousness.

Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

We are in the kingdom of God.

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Here it says that God made us righteousness in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

This says we have become the righteousness of Christ ( this is called a dependent clause in the greek - it is determined as fulfilled because Christ became sin )

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; thatwe might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Believers are called righteousness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Here it is saying that "righteousness comes by Christ".

Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Here we have the breastplate of righteousness - which is the armor of God that we are to be strong in.

Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

This talks about the new man in Christ - the new creation.

Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....

PeterJens · Mar 15, 2017

The fruit of total acceptance without a walk of holiness

I shared about having a pure heart.

And those who hold to this grace walk alone without cleansing attacked me
as self-righteous stinking individual who dared to suggest purity is part of Christ.

How can this animosity come from pure holy people, unless ofcourse they know their
state is far from this, and guilt rises in them to remind them of unresolved issues in
their lives. Rather than repenting and getting right with God, I am the giver of
condemnation and evil.

This is the true fruit of this teaching and its dooming of those who follow it.

Jesus is brutal about our walk. Take His words seriously, that is why they are
eternal words, speaking the truth about Holiness and our need to be purified
by the blood of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Stephen63 · Mar 15, 2017

When they say all future sins are forgiven, "all" covers premeditated ones as well.

You can't say "all" unless you mean"all".

But, when you mention the premeditated ones, they claim that can't possibly happen.....with no proof.

So, they claim it can't happen with a premeditated answer. IOW, an excuse for everything.

In the end, the cycle starts over..... "all future sins forgiven", & nothing mentioned about premeditated sins until someone brings it up, because they wanted it to remain that way until they have to explain it away. In other words, it's all true until someone calls them on the carpet about it.

Doctrines of demons.

Slippery little devils, aren't they? Like eels.

Grace777x70 · Mar 15, 2017

Forgiveness is a done deal - either believe it or don't believe it.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present time. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins

Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.

Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

It's time to "Repent and believe the gospel". Just like Jesus said to do in Mark 1:15

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

He who is forgiven much loves much. The knowledge of our Lord's great work for us changes us to walk with total reliance on Him for life and living.

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