forgive future sin? Matt 18: 21,

[PeterJens]

Why do you think the bible does not address the concept of future sins?

Because you cannot do sins in the future, so you cannot be forgiven
for things that do not exist.

If loving God is something that comes from our hearts, and it can die, and
be turned off, it equally follows, sin in the future is counted as sin when commited.

Ezek 18:21-25 is very specific. Walk in Gods ways, He will forgive you, abandon His
ways you will die.

Jesus is built on this foundation, except the temple of God is not made of stone it
is now made of flesh in our hearts.

To hold that a loving relationship compromises with sin and evil, is to deny the very
nature of our walk with God and holiness.

The problem is if you have a hard heart, and have never let God in, religion is this
impossible contradiction. For these people, their only solution to the words is faith
must be just accepting who we are without change, and the evil is condemning sinful
man as sinful. But this is the whole problem of religion for its own sake, and the joke
is these people claiming not to be religious are actually just doing exactly that.

And why do I know this?

Because talk about the heart, ones emotions, purity, truth within, their rejection is
total and complete. Words like repulsed, truth not involving feelings or heart are used.

This condemns them without them realising it. To a degree they are victims of their own
hard hearts and their compromise is the only solution they can come up with.

It was something I knew the pharisees had to do, once you realise you cannot be righteous
because your emotions do not follow it. So religious hypocracy is the only solution.

Jesus implies His sheep know Him, and follow. So I have to bow to my King and His word.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Q: Does God forgive the sins we will commit in the future, or just those from our past? I became a Christian two years ago, and I worry about this.

A: "One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that Christ died to take away all our sins–not just part of them, but all of them: past, present, and future.

This is why you shouldn’t fear that you will lose your salvation every time you commit a sin. If that were the case, you and I would lose our salvation every day–because we sin every day. Even if our actions are pure, our thoughts often are not. And even if our actions and thoughts are pure, we still sin because of the good things we should be doing but fail to do.

Never forget: Your salvation does not depend on you and how good you are.

It depends solely on Christ and what He has already done for you through His death on the cross. The Bible says that Christ “appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Hebrews 9:26).

Does that mean it doesn’t matter whether or not you sin? No, of course not. Sin is serious; it is an offense to God, and it breaks our fellowship with Him. Sin also compromises our witness for Christ. The Bible is clear: “Be holy, because I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16).

But you cannot live the Christian life in your own strength. You need God’s help–which is why He has given His Holy Spirit to you. When you sin, confess it immediately, and then seek the Holy Spirit’s help each day to live as you should.



From one of "them" - Billy Graham

https://billygraham.org/answer/does...it-in-the-future-or-just-those-from-our-past/

 

[PeterJens]

Salvation

Our salvation is based on our faith in Christ, not our walk.
Our walk is because Christ empowers us to walk in obedience through choice.

If we stay in impurity and sin, our faith will die.

When we walk honestly with an open heart, we will find love and forgiveness as
we stay faithful to who He is.

 

[p_rehbein]

FOR ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE JESUS DOES NOT TEACH US TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS:

It is sad so many of you are deceived by the false teachers who enter in among us............truly sad. I must wonder how deceived you must be to not even understand the MOST SIMPLISTIC teaching of Christ. It is truly amazing to me.

Our Father, who art in heaven. Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread,

AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESSPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US............

or, if you prefer

FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.....

Not only does He teach us to ask for forgiveness, He teaches us to do this every time we pray!

how can that be so hard to understand and believe?


(goodness)

 

[Grace777x70]

Then there is the forgiveness of sins because of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ after the cross and resurrection and it is NOT based on what we do. It's based on faith in what Christ has already done.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here are the scriptures again that show the gospel being preached by Peter and Paul "after" the cross - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."


And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus" ??


Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace .

 

[Grace777x70]

Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

 

[PeterJens]

Let me be obvious.

If a believer does not understand what hurts and forgiveness is, how can they know the
cross at all. The cross and Christs suffering is all about forgiveness, overwhelming, overflowing
with the most precious thing anyone can give.

And we are called to be like our Lord.

To not know forgiveness and to forgive oneself is to miss God and His nature.

And the biggest resistance against God is our hurts and blame we put on others for our state
and our justification for our behaviour and bitterness. Until we break this and let the King of Kings
in, we do not experience this for real.

And the enemy wants to deny this as much as possible, because people without truly forgiving
hearts are not able to walk in the things of God. They will always be alien to them, like a foreign
world unable to see why God does not move in them or cleanse them of persistent sin or defeat.

And so caught between two worlds, stopping people from truly repenting and getting right with
God, while speaking all the words of faith but denying its true power, which they excuse with
words of grace, so are these preachers of the nether world, hazy and unclear, full of unresolved
sinful issues, fearful that anyone will realise what is really happening behind the scenes.

 

[PeterJens]

Forgiveness, a constant state

It is hard not be constantly forgiving, because there are so many reasons our minds give us to
justify blame for failure on to others all around. We need to see the blessing God showers on us,
and just praise Him for how we can share this, whether others accept it or not.

And yes it hurts to be rejected, but the blessing is worth so much more than the pain, and without
the pain there would be no offer at all.

We are to carry our own crosses, to know pain and sacrifice to share everywhere, rain or shine,
to spread His glorious news of victory and power and love, Amen, Halleluyah.

 

[PennEd]

Did you read the comment I quoted? Just wondering...........especially this part........

and finally, Would God asked us to do something he himself does not do?


If one sins against God, then are you saying they do not need to repent and ask forgiveness, because "it's all good?"

Can you give a NT example of an individual sinning after salvation, then seeking repentance from God?

I see Peter committing the sin of hypocrisy that Paul calls him out on. I see the Corinthian man sleeping with his mother that Paul says to give HIS FLESH over to satan, so that he will be raised on the last day. In BOTH cases there is no mention of repentance.

But I can't find an example where a brother sins and then seeks repentance to the Lord.

Maybe there is one. I just don't know where.

 

[PeterJens]

Can you give a NT example of an individual sinning after salvation, then seeking repentance from God?

I see Peter committing the sin of hypocrisy that Paul calls him out on. I see the Corinthian man sleeping with his mother that Paul says to give HIS FLESH over to satan, so that he will be raised on the last day. In BOTH cases there is no mention of repentance.

But I can't find an example where a brother sins and then seeks repentance to the Lord.

Maybe there is one. I just don't know where.

Simon the sorcerer

Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.
Act 8:13

"Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
Acts 8:22-23

Now the problem with people who blind themselves to the truth, they
do not want to admit it is there, so deny the examples that are there.

Paul rebukes Corinthian church and calls for repentance.
John write the letter to the churches calling for repentance.

Now anyone who honestly wants to stand before the King should not
stand against such obvious truth.

 

[Enow]

Q: Does God forgive the sins we will commit in the future, or just those from our past? I became a Christian two years ago, and I worry about this.

A: "One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that Christ died to take away all our sins–not just part of them, but all of them: past, present, and future.

This is why you shouldn’t fear that you will lose your salvation every time you commit a sin. If that were the case, you and I would lose our salvation every day–because we sin every day. Even if our actions are pure, our thoughts often are not. And even if our actions and thoughts are pure, we still sin because of the good things we should be doing but fail to do.

Never forget: Your salvation does not depend on you and how good you are.

That has been what He had been leading me to share.

It depends solely on Christ and what He has already done for you through His death on the cross. The Bible says that Christ “appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Hebrews 9:26).

Salvation is never at risk, but stepping out of walk with Him in fellowship is when we sin & do not ask Him for forgiveness nor lean on Him for help to repent from it.

Does that mean it doesn’t matter whether or not you sin? No, of course not. Sin is serious; it is an offense to God, and it breaks our fellowship with Him. Sin also compromises our witness for Christ. The Bible is clear: “Be holy, because I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16).

But you cannot live the Christian life in your own strength. You need God’s help–which is why He has given His Holy Spirit to you. When you sin, confess it immediately, and then seek the Holy Spirit’s help each day to live as you should.

Actually, seek the Lord's help at that throne of grace to help you through the Holy Spirit in you. The Holy Spirit cannot answer prayers; only the Son can do that; 1 Timothy 2:5 & Hebrews 4:12-16 & John 14:6,13-14

From one of "them" - Billy Graham

https://billygraham.org/answer/does...it-in-the-future-or-just-those-from-our-past/

Billy Graham also needs our prayers, because he has taught falsehood as well, believing that there are other ways for sinners to be saved in the world. Plus in his interview with Tony Snow, he had doubted he would be received by Jesus Christ because he was not always a good christian. So even leaders forget the truths that they have been preaching.

[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]

He may have not been clear in this or had forgotten....

Quote from the link below of the interview...

SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?



GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.



SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?



GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much.

Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham

 

[dcontroversal]

One of my favorite verses...

Where sin abounds, GRACE did much more abound..........this seems to indicate grace being preemptive in dealing with our sin.....as GRACE abounds AHEAD of sin........

 

[dcontroversal]

Can you give a NT example of an individual sinning after salvation, then seeking repentance from God?

I see Peter committing the sin of hypocrisy that Paul calls him out on. I see the Corinthian man sleeping with his mother that Paul says to give HIS FLESH over to satan, so that he will be raised on the last day. In BOTH cases there is no mention of repentance.

But I can't find an example where a brother sins and then seeks repentance to the Lord.

Maybe there is one. I just don't know where.

What abut the woman taken in adultery....She did not ask for forgiveness or even repent...but Jesus said that he did not condemn her...

Many say this is not found in the original text.....and if this is true then we have a conundrum with how can we know what is literal or fraudulent in scriptures....

 

[dcontroversal]

FOR ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE JESUS DOES NOT TEACH US TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS:

It is sad so many of you are deceived by the false teachers who enter in among us............truly sad. I must wonder how deceived you must be to not even understand the MOST SIMPLISTIC teaching of Christ. It is truly amazing to me.

Our Father, who art in heaven. Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread,

AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESSPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US............

or, if you prefer

FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.....

Not only does He teach us to ask for forgiveness, He teaches us to do this every time we pray!

how can that be so hard to understand and believe?


(goodness)

Kind of like...

He that believes on the son has everlasting life<-----Everlasting is not temporary.....!

 

[Stephen63]

"I already now am everthing I need to be"

"I no longer need to repent"

"God no longer holds me accountable for my sins"

"God no longer convicts me of sin or righteousness."

"All future sin is forgiven". "All" meaning "all"..... sins I love to do..... premeditated sins..... I no longer have to "beat my body into subjection" like Paul teaches. Obeying the law of Christ is simply "believing in Jesus", not obeying His commands.

"We don't commit repetitious sins, that's not possible once Jesus comes in".

So what do you call that activity we see every day on CC?

Even faith is no longer required after conversion.

After conversion, one cannot be lost, so actually nothing else is ever required. If this isn't so, then they could lose their salvation.

All of this has been in place since 1997 (Joseph Prince said God showed him).

Technically, that would mean those who died before 1997, with exception to the OSAS'ers, died in vain, never having the "truth" to begin with, being legalists.

They have already said that "legalists" aren't going to Heaven.

"Legalists" are those that teach one must walk in obedience to the New Testament, with their obedience proving their faith, and live by faith the rest of their lives. (nutshell version)

These people really believe this..... just ask them. Some will deny or excuse away a few, but the majority does believe it.

They prove they believe it by literally arguing over every part of it. They are absolutely angry if you disagree.

They have in the past used lies, straw man arguments, character assassination, mind games, emotionally hurt people, destroyed reputations, ganged up on individuals, name calling, judging before knowing the facts, some even cussing, and other such methods to win their arguments.

But that's okay, their future sins are forgiven, right?

We're supposed to forgive them every time they purposely try to attack us..... we read that in this thread.

Annnnnd..... they're supposed to forgive us if we offend them..... aren't they?

After all, they're the complete ones who need nothing. They're supposed to do the "mature, christian thing", right?

I suppose their fruits have been telling us that all along.

 

[FreeNChrist]

"I already now am everthing I need to be"

"I no longer need to repent"

"God no longer holds me accountable for my sins"

"God no longer convicts me of sin or righteousness."

"All future sin is forgiven". "All" meaning "all"..... sins I love to do..... premeditated sins..... I no longer have to "beat my body into subjection" like Paul teaches. Obeying the law of Christ is simply "believing in Jesus", not obeying His commands.

"We don't commit repetitious sins, that's not possible once Jesus comes in".

So what do you call that activity we see every day on CC?

Even faith is no longer required after conversion.

After conversion, one cannot be lost, so actually nothing else is ever required. If this isn't so, then they could lose their salvation.

All of this has been in place since 1997 (Joseph Prince said God showed him).

Technically, that would mean those who died before 1997, with exception to the OSAS'ers, died in vain, never having the "truth" to begin with, being legalists.

They have already said that "legalists" aren't going to Heaven.

"Legalists" are those that teach one must walk in obedience to the New Testament, with their obedience proving their faith, and live by faith the rest of their lives. (nutshell version)

These people really believe this..... just ask them. Some will deny or excuse away a few, but the majority does believe it.

They prove they believe it by literally arguing over every part of it. They are absolutely angry if you disagree.

They have in the past used lies, straw man arguments, character assassination, mind games, emotionally hurt people, destroyed reputations, ganged up on individuals, name calling, judging before knowing the facts, some even cussing, and other such methods to win their arguments.

But that's okay, their future sins are forgiven, right?

We're supposed to forgive them every time they purposely try to attack us..... we read that in this thread.

Annnnnd..... they're supposed to forgive us if we offend them..... aren't they?

After all, they're the complete ones who need nothing. They're supposed to do the "mature, christian thing", right?

I suppose their fruits have been telling us that all along.

He thought that was really good when he wrote it I suppose.

 

[dcontroversal]

Q: Does God forgive the sins we will commit in the future, or just those from our past? I became a Christian two years ago, and I worry about this.

A: "One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that Christ died to take away all our sins–not just part of them, but all of them: past, present, and future.

This is why you shouldn’t fear that you will lose your salvation every time you commit a sin. If that were the case, you and I would lose our salvation every day–because we sin every day. Even if our actions are pure, our thoughts often are not. And even if our actions and thoughts are pure, we still sin because of the good things we should be doing but fail to do.

Never forget: Your salvation does not depend on you and how good you are.

It depends solely on Christ and what He has already done for you through His death on the cross. The Bible says that Christ “appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Hebrews 9:26).

Does that mean it doesn’t matter whether or not you sin? No, of course not. Sin is serious; it is an offense to God, and it breaks our fellowship with Him. Sin also compromises our witness for Christ. The Bible is clear: “Be holy, because I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16).

But you cannot live the Christian life in your own strength. You need God’s help–which is why He has given His Holy Spirit to you. When you sin, confess it immediately, and then seek the Holy Spirit’s help each day to live as you should.



From one of "them" - Billy Graham

https://billygraham.org/answer/does...it-in-the-future-or-just-those-from-our-past/

When Jesus said it is finished it means paid in full....the entire human sin debt was satisfied...when we acknowledge Him by faith is righteousness is applied unto us eternally and we are born (spiritually) of incorruptible seed......God is clear...when I see the blood I will pass over you....hence the words eternally, everlasting and forever being applied unto justification, salvation, life, sanctified and perfected as applied unto those who acknowledge Jesus biblically by faith....

Where sin abounds, GRACE did much more abound.....the ONLY SIN not covered is UNBELIEF when it comes to JESUS...BLASPHEMY of the spirit is to reject the work of Christ on behalf of the Father dia the power of the spirit and attribute it to the power of the devil...this is state of unbelief and while one remains in unbelief concerning the work of JESUS they cannot be forgiven......

 

[Embankment]

When Jesus said it is finished it means paid in full....the entire human sin debt was satisfied...when we acknowledge Him by faith is righteousness is applied unto us eternally and we are born (spiritually) of incorruptible seed......God is clear...when I see the blood I will pass over you....hence the words eternally, everlasting and forever being applied unto justification, salvation, life, sanctified and perfected as applied unto those who acknowledge Jesus biblically by faith....

Where sin abounds, GRACE did much more abound.....the ONLY SIN not covered is UNBELIEF when it comes to JESUS...BLASPHEMY of the spirit is to reject the work of Christ on behalf of the Father dia the power of the spirit and attribute it to the power of the devil...this is state of unbelief and while one remains in unbelief concerning the work of JESUS they cannot be forgiven......

Nothing more to discuss here. Let's call this tread done!

 

[zone]

Colossians 2:13
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"