gay marriage

Cruisyazz · Jul 18, 2015

Don't worry mate... Iam not gay!!! Hopefully that gives me half a point in your book.
Anything that I feel comes across judgemental or condemning I am going to war with it. Whatever subject that maybe. I try to see things from other points of view and on this subject, if I was gay, I would hate God. Not because of God but because of the way he is portrayed by some Christians.

raine28 · Jul 18, 2015

I'm happy for those homosexuals who seek Christ and trying their best to strengthen their faith and please the Lord. I pray for other homosexuals who do not seek Christ that the Lord may enlighten them and guide them

oldhermit · Jul 18, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

You know, God is a loving, gentle, tender, and merciful God. We have no trouble understanding this axium. What we sometimes refuse to see is that God is also a powerful, angry, and, vengeful God who pours out his wrath upon the ungodly and those who refuse to obey him. It is just important for the sinner - ANY sinner, to understand the whole character of God, not just those traits we find comforting and easy to accept.

Stephen63 · Jul 18, 2015

oldhermit said:

That sir, is false. It's both, but not for all of them.

Being both doesn't make it socially acceptable, nor less sinful. It's actually made it more sinful, & more dangerous.

How? Haven't you noticed the quantum leap in homosexuality in our last generation? How homosexuality has outpaced our decrease in morals & is catching up with, if not already passed, adultery?

Such a sin doesn't do so without extra help.

Don't you know that more money is spent in pharmaceutical research on biological weapons than medicine? We have big business & our govt to thank for that. Just look it up.

Now, why do you suppose big business & our wonderful govt. is spending BILLIONS in genetic research? FOR OUR HEALTH? Yeah, right.

The beef industry, the chicken industry, the hog industry, & oh yes, let's not forget our ole friend Monsanto & its dirty work.
All those years & dollars hasn't given us a single pill or shot for our children or us to get healthy or live longer. But our children are getting fatter & going into puberty much earlier because of the side effects of hormone induced food they eat. If that happened accidentally as a side effect, what do you think they're capable of doing on purpose?

Our wonderful govt has been caught using drugs for brainwashing & making the black population sick with its experiments since the 40's, not to mention witnesses against the US govt for 911 suddenly dying of heart attacks.

US govt. technology is 25 years ahead of the public. That's frightening, considering who's in charge.

Do you not know that the one of the things on the NWO's agenda is depopulation? Can't kill 'em without raising suspicion. What better way than biologically perverting mankind to homosexuality?

It all fits..... our govt changes laws to cater to them, while the liberal church is welcoming them into their pulpits & seminaries to train up our youth. It fits too well for them not to be working together.....

It's time for the church to get their heads outta the sand & notice the Antichrist is on his way.

oldhermit · Jul 18, 2015

Stephen63 said:

That sir, is false. It's both, but not for all of them.

Being both doesn't make it socially acceptable, nor less sinful. It's actually made it more sinful, & more dangerous.

How? Haven't you noticed the quantum leap in homosexuality in our last generation? How homosexuality has outpaced our decrease in morals & is catching up with, if not already passed, adultery?

Such a sin doesn't do so without extra help.

Don't you know that more money is spent in pharmaceutical research on biological weapons than medicine? We have big business & our govt to thank for that. Just look it up.

Now, why do you suppose big business & our wonderful govt. is spending BILLIONS in genetic research? FOR OUR HEALTH? Yeah, right.

The beef industry, the chicken industry, the hog industry, & oh yes, let's not forget our ole friend Monsanto & its dirty work.
All those years & dollars hasn't given us a single pill or shot for our children or us to get healthy or live longer. But our children are getting fatter & going into puberty much earlier because of the side effects of hormone induced food they eat. If that happened accidentally as a side effect, what do you think they're capable of doing on purpose?

Our wonderful govt has been caught using drugs for brainwashing & making the black population sick with its experiments since the 40's, not to mention witnesses against the US govt for 911 suddenly dying of heart attacks.

US govt. technology is 25 years ahead of the public. That's frightening, considering who's in charge.

Do you not know that the one of the things on the NWO's agenda is depopulation? Can't kill 'em without raising suspicion. What better way than biologically perverting mankind to homosexuality?

It all fits..... our govt changes laws to cater to them, while the liberal church is welcoming them into their pulpits & seminaries to train up our youth. It fits too well for them not to be working together.....

It's time for the church to get their heads outta the sand & notice the Antichrist is on his way.

This is absolute nonsense.

jsr1221 · Jul 18, 2015

oldhermit said:

Of course it isn't God's fault. It's not His fault for alcoholism and food addiction, either. As far as gays, though, you don't know what they go through or struggle with. I don't. None of us do. Only God does. So instead of treating them like monsters, why not love them and minister to them, hoping they reach Christ? That serves more purpose than arguing on thread after thread on said subject. Because homosexuals aren't any different from the alcoholics or food addicts. God condemns all as sin. And they are no different than any of us, because we were and still are sinners. Only difference is someone took the time to talk to us about having a Savior named Jesus Christ. Why not try doing the same, and stop arguing about if they are born gay or not? Because I believe it's possible. And I don't care what you have to say. You're not going to change my mind, and the purpose of me posting this isn't to change yours either. It's to get you to minister instead of condemn and judge.

oldhermit · Jul 18, 2015

jsr1221 said:

Of course it isn't God's fault. It's not his fault for alcoholism and food addiction, either. As far as gays, though, you don't know what they go through or struggle with. I don't. None of us do. Only God does. So instead of treating them like monsters, why not love them and minister to them, hoping they reach Christ? That serves more purpose than thread after thread on said subject. Because homosexuals aren't any different from the alcoholics or food addicts. God condemns all as sin. And they are no different than any of us, because we were and still are sinners. Only difference is someone took the time to talk to us about having a Savior named Jesus Christ. Why not try doing the same, and stop arguing about if they are born gay or not. Because I believe it's possible. and I don't care what you have to say. You're not going to change my mind, and the purpose of me posting this isn't to change yours either. It's to get you to minister instead of condemn and judge.

That is the price of sin. Which is the greater demonstration of love, to coddle them in their sin or to show them how God views them in their sin?

jsr1221 · Jul 18, 2015

oldhermit said:

Since you're putting text in bold, you could have also put the part where I said God condemns all (homosexuality, alcoholism, and food addiction) as sin in bold, too. But whatever. Didn't I just say to minister to them and show them the way of Jesus Christ? I don't know why you're not acknowledging that part. Just because one might be attracted to the same sex, that doesn't mean they have to take that attraction to a next level. It's like an addict tempted to drink or do drugs or eat more than they should. The temptation will always be there, but they don't have to delve in it. That includes the homosexuals. God transforms people over time. If He can do it with murderers and rapists, He can certainly do it to this group.

raine28 · Jul 18, 2015

i dont condemn homosexuals as a person, i condemn their sinful acts, it is two different matters. actually all sinful acts should be condemned because it takes us all away from the Lord's path.

crossnote · Jul 18, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

You say the Church came up with marriage. Do you think it came about as a ritual or something they received from God since the beginning?
If it's simply a historic ritual, then sure it's subject to change by the Church and society, but if it was actually instituted by God then there's no changing it by the Churches or society.

Yonah · Jul 18, 2015

the words "gay" and marriage should never be in the same sentence, people have there choices to make and each will stand and give account for them, when the government of any nation or kingdom turns its back on the Creator of the universe they do so at their own peril.

notuptome · Jul 18, 2015

Is Romans chapter one still in the bible? They not only do it knowing God judgment but have pleasure in doing it. Sounds more willful than biological. I doubt that the government can manipulate that any how. Might as well suggest alien technology. Flying saucers and such.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

crossnote · Jul 18, 2015

notuptome said:

Romans 1 is still in the Bible, but I don't think the society at large is. They're too busy Dancing with the Stars

HappyGuy · Jul 18, 2015

First of all homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God. 2nd this thing about same sex marriage is wrong as like I said Homosexuality is an abomination and the enemy is trying to tear down everything that the Lord God says is right. And another thing the Lord God loves the sinner but hates the sin as look what the Lord God did He sent His Only Beloved Son to the Cross for all of humanity for the remission of sins and healings, miracles, etc as Jesus did everything at the Cross for Us.

HappyGuy · Jul 18, 2015

HappyGuy said:

And just to make sure that people don't understand what I mean I'll add this also. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. and this verse also Romans 10:9-13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [TABLE="class: bibleTable"]
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KJB · Jul 18, 2015

jsr1221 said:

Okay, let's take this viewpoint to a scientific perspective then if you want to say some are born homosexual. Let's say yes right now, and let's take a look at epigenetics. Epigenetics if you do not know is a scientific field in which it studies genes and their phenotype changes, basically some genes are made dormant while others are woken up. Okay, now let's take identical twins, they are born with the very same genes, yet they are very different individuals (epigenetics). One of them will become an alcoholic and the other will not, alcoholism does not run in their family so what is it? Epigenetics. Wait, what how does this happen? We have DNA and it is a pattern of what makes people have green eyes, or become more upset due to their biological makeup so they get angry easier, etc. Now epigenetics is what a person, an individual themselves goes ahead and highlights certain genes in that pattern and wants to make them shine. It is their choice to be healthy or to be a lazy bum (they have the ability to do both but they decide to make the healthy gene dormant or wake it up) by the way they carry themselves out and how their environment affects them. If homosexuals are aware of God and what God is about, yet they CHOOSE to carry on with their homosexual tendencies that is their choice they are making, not because they were born as so. Let's look at a teenager who feels homosexual and yet is in turmoil because God's word this is an abomination, they decide to turn that off, create an environment of learning where they attend church and go to God and seek His guidance to change because they know they are in the wrong. Every human is a sinner, I have turned to God before for lying or for drinking too much when I was in the Navy, I knew it was wrong so what did I do? I confided in God and turned to Jesus Christ, and then you know what? Whatever was inside of my genetically proning me to drink stopped, I turned it off and why epigenetics.

All outside experiences can affect the body and it's genetic makeup therefore causing epigenetic modifications. And if you still do not believe me look it up, research and read from scholarly sources that will back this up. Even if it was a modification in DNA and from birth they are more feminine (males) or more masculine (females) then that is a defect due to different levels of androgen exposure, it is a malformation of the fetus and they are individuals who need to treated for this because in nature the norm is xx and xy only with that of only male and female because it is meant to be that way as said in the Bible. Either way, back to our identical twins, let's say only one of them comes out homosexual...well how did that happen if they have the same genes? Well, epigenetics, they choose to be homosexual. Either way, let them know about God and those who chose to will want to hear His word and know about how wrong it is to choose to be homosexual, then they can turn around and make the choice to be saved through Jesus Christ. If they dedicate themselves to Jesus Christ they will see the truth and change themselves.

just-me · Jul 18, 2015

raine28 said:

Concerning gay ( quasi [strange] happiness) marriage I have 4 questions to your 2.
Who is the wife?
Who is the husband?
Is God against it?
Is God for it?
Will God ever accept it?

Ephesians 5:22-25, and 32
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Colossians 3:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

1 Peter 3:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

What is the real reason for bringing this topic up time after time after time in a Bible discussion forum? The Bible is clear that this gay, strange, and queer practice is abominable and not acceptable in the Kingdom of God. Is it because Satan wants us to be compassionate toward reprobates that practice this abomination?

Leviticus 19:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

resurrection33 · Jul 18, 2015

raine28 said:

Jesus tells us that same-sex marriage is a sin:

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8 RSV

Stephen63 · Jul 18, 2015

oldhermit said:

If that's your stand then I feel sorry for you, for you cannot see the signs of the times. We are nigh at the door.

realchild4life · Jul 18, 2015

crossnote said:

Well a Christian is a broad term these day, it can mean almost anything. To Christians I am a non Christian but to life I am a Christian for the purpose it created me.

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