"God loves everyone" - false

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Amazingly (not really) many toss out verses they don't like that describe God in ways they don't like, or they find a verse to pit against it as if that neutralizes it. Or they think they're not valid if they came from the OT apparently rejecting the immutability of God.

Part of the issue is they think this about God: Psalm 50:21. The entirety of Psalm 50 should be read, perhaps verses 20-21 especially? Probably.
 
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f he took pleasure in bruising he Son you are saying he's sadistic and making him no better than one of the pagan gods. Eleventh provided a response which seems to have gone unanswered:
God had no pleasure in his death.
Getting off topic but ...
... perhaps a semantic issue .... this is the verse

Isaiah 53:10 Yet the Lord was willing
To crush Him, causing Him to suffer;
If He would give Himself as a guilt offering [an atonement for sin],
He shall see His [spiritual] offspring,
He shall prolong His days,
And the will (good pleasure) of the Lord shall succeed and prosper in His hand. (AMP)

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief : when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. {thou...: or, his soul shall make an offering} (KJV)



Other verses presenting the fact that God plans and does things according to His pleasure.
Isaiah 46:9-10 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else! I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure".
Ephesians 1:9 “Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, [or the secret of His will] according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself” .... 11 In Him also we have [d]received an inheritance [a destiny—we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will,
Acts 2:23 and Act 4:27-28 also state that God planned Christ death

Now, I don't agree with your conclusion that this means God is "sadistic and making him no better than one of the pagan gods". I don't think you think that either.
 
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I don't think God's wrath equates to love or hate. It is simply judgement and justice?

God is love. He is also just. He sent his Son to die for the world so that anyone who believes shall not perish. He put a condition on it... anyone who believes. God made the way. He sent his Son to die for the sins of the world and Jesus paid the price so that anyone who believes will not perish. So in my opinion, those that perish because of unbelief are simply being judged. Scripture says he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, though.
So, there’s wrath but no here? That’s like one guy on another site who said God doesn‘t hate, He‘s just indignant with them. Makes about as much sense as a football bat.
 
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Now, I don't agree with your conclusion that this means God is "sadistic and making him no better than one of the pagan gods". I don't think you think that either.
If you are going to stick with him having pleasure in the death of wicked and His son I don't see how it does not define him as sadistic.

I'm not saying God is sadistic. You brought up him having pleasure.

(Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God)

The above gives us understanding of Isa 53:10, it doesn't say to fulfill his pleasure.
 
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Amazingly (not really) many toss out verses they don't like that describe God in ways they don't like, or they find a verse to pit against it as if that neutralizes it. Or they think they're not valid if they came from the OT apparently rejecting the immutability of God.

Part of the issue is they think this about God: Psalm 50:21. The entirety of Psalm 50 should be read, perhaps verses 20-21 especially? Probably.
Agreed. Just a fun exercise for me to pass time ... to see if I can answer questions . @EleventhHour has be polite and patient.
 
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From which Scripture did you come to this fabricated conclusion?
That's a bit like asking "from which Scripture did you come to the conclusion that there is a Trinity?" There is no one Scripture that proves that, but it is consistent with the Nature of God revealed in many Scriptures.

One such passage is John 3:19-21: "And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God."
 
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I have not ready your answer. Because I want to know why you do not understand what I was saying.

If you do not understand, Then you have no basis to answer anything.
Agreed, I don't understand you at times. Therefore, I withdraw the questions. The questions are open to others and I will reply if requested (no promises that I will be correct... :))
 

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You're doing the same thing as you did in the other thread: not actually reading the OP.
Please read the OP and you will understand.
I read the thread and my thoughts are that you believe that God's love is conditional. If that were true God would love no one. Banville for you.
 
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Never aid it was. Once again you ASSUME things
I assumed nothing. You used it to counter my argument that God doesn’t have mercy on all, which is contextually salvational. Your point was that oh yes he does but you made a category error. Your dodging, not owning up, and being regularly disingenuous makes it not worth my time talking to you.
 
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Amazingly (not really) many toss out verses they don't like that describe God in ways they don't like, or they find a verse to pit against it as if that neutralizes it. Or they think they're not valid if they came from the OT apparently rejecting the immutability of God.

Part of the issue is they think this about God: Psalm 50:21. The entirety of Psalm 50 should be read, perhaps verses 20-21 especially? Probably.
When you did these things and I kept silent,
you thought I was exactly[a] like you.
But I now arraign you
and set my accusations before you.

How shall we add this to the list of the "they" qualities?

Callow
Simpleton
Slanderer
Disingenuous
Immature


there may be others of course but I do have the time to find the them all

But we can now add .....Guilty of Psalm 50:20-21

Keep them coming .. its all good.
 
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NO. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.
....I gave reasons for not to determining the question GOD LOVES EVERYONE with HOW WE ARE TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES based on the fact that GOD NOT EQUAL US so you should not draw a parallel. We are talking about GOD's love, not God's commandments for us to love others.

In other words, you are comparing 'apples' and 'oranges'. Better to use scripture dealing directly with God's love, not ours. Give verses where GOD loves those that are going to hell (like God loved Judas Iscariot), now that would be of interest. Does God love Judas as much as John or Peter.
1) Yes, we should draw a parallel there, because Jesus did. It was Jesus who made the parallel between the way God treats His enemies and the way that we are to treat ours.

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?" - Matthew 5:43-47

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." - Matthew 5:48

That's Jesus making the parallel between the way Christians are supposed to love and the way that God loves.

2) We don't need a specific verse saying that God loves Judas. The fact that God loves Judas can be deduced from the fact that God loves His enemies.
 
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Jurassic Park started off with "oooos!" and "ahhhs!" and ended with running for their lives, so...
Point taken. I take it you are in general agreement with me ... you and @Sackcloth-N-Ashes that is
Getting lonely on my side of argument ... way down on votes.. LMAO

Looks like you are very 'ticked off' at some members. (Probably with reason) Why do you bother?
 
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Point taken. I take it you are in general agreement with me ... you and @Sackcloth-N-Ashes that is
Getting lonely on my side of argument ... way down on votes.. LMAO

Looks like you are very 'ticked off' at some members. (Probably with reason) Why do you bother?
Because we/they are Lawless... I should have added that to my list...Darn!

or I could use a fancy new word

"antinomianist"
 
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Point taken. I take it you are in general agreement with me ... you and @Sackcloth-N-Ashes that is
Getting lonely on my side of argument ... way down on votes.. LMAO

Looks like you are very 'ticked off' at some members. (Probably with reason) Why do you bother?
Part of the issue? The incessant lying, slander, ridicule, mockery, name calling, failure to own up when proven in error (note my post to EG). A person counters you argument with a statement, you point out the glaring category error and that it’s unrelated, then that’s not what he meant. Um. Lol!!!!!!!! That’s what we call bovine scat in these parts. When you can’t get a guy to admit he’s arguing out of context and made a category error that is plain to see? Yep. Why bother.

I'll try to give you more votes. :LOL:
 
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Agreed, I don't understand you at times. Therefore, I withdraw the questions. The questions are open to others and I will reply if requested (no promises that I will be correct... :))
What’s not to understand?
if gifs commands us to do something he does not do himself don’t you have a problem with that?
 
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We don't need a specific verse saying that God loves Judas.
Agreed. I am saying that if you could produce a verse saying God loved a specific biblical individual that is in hell ... that this verse would strongly further your stance that "God Loves Everyone". For some reason all the specific people in scripture that God says He loves end up in heaven and none that are in hell as said to be loved. What are the odds if God loves everyone?

The fact that God loves Judas can be deduced from the fact that God loves His enemies.
This would be true if you can provide a verse that says "God loves His enemies". Please provide such a verse.
Aside: Yeah, I know God loves the WORLD ... but the word WORLD is ambiguous.
Aside2: Yeah, I know God love ALL ... but ALL can be understood as 'without distinction' or 'without exception'.
Aside3: Interesting that I can provide verses stating God hates his enemies ... but none seem to exist saying He loves His enemies.