God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

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I have a self-sacrificial spirit, in fact I gave up my life so that another can benefit from my care, if care is love then so be it. Actions speak louder than words. All i am saying is that it is going against the grain to love someone implicilty when that someone is evil. I'm not saying that it is impossible to learn to love someone evil implicitly, yeah we are all tested. I can work on my evil ways just like you can and others too, perfection is simply a hope and there exists not one human being free from the adamic spirit.
Have you repented of your sins and accepted Christ as your Savior?
 
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That would be the ultimate goal.. Sometimes it takes some of us fools a few hard knocks to realise how this particualr sin is affecting us in a negative way, and start to trust God in this area of our lives.

It is easy to not do many things, some of the things we do (which we may not even realize are sinful until we grow up some) are not so easy.

Pride is on I can think of which we do over and over and over, and wonder when it will ever stop.
Indeed, Pride is one we do constantly and not think about.
 
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I have a self-sacrificial spirit, in fact I gave up my life so that another can benefit from my care, if care is love then so be it. Actions speak louder than words. All i am saying is that it is going against the grain to love someone implicilty when that someone is evil. I'm not saying that it is impossible to learn to love someone evil implicitly, yeah we are all tested. I can work on my evil ways just like you can and others too, perfection is simply a hope and there exists not one human being free from the adamic spirit.
If you haven't accepted Christ as your Savior, this comic book tract had helped me.



This Was Your Life.
 

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If you haven't accepted Christ as your Savior, this comic book tract had helped me.



This Was Your Life.
I found one of those on the street in 1969. After reading it I felt something stirring inside of me. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior a few minutes later. God placed that little book there just for me to find.
 
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God loves all people is implied when He died for them while they were yet sinners,

John 3:16
Romans 5:6, 8, 10
Isaiah 53:6
Ephesians 2:1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Colossians 2:13
Titus 3:3, 4, 5
2 Corinthians 5:21

For we are to love as a way of life.

Matthew 5:44
1 Corinthians 13:4
2 John 1:5, 6, 7
You said "For we are to love as a way of life." That says most of mankind that has the Bible they are not Christians and I agree and that is why they are called the many.
Mac.
 
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You said "For we are to love as a way of life." That says most of mankind that has the Bible they are not Christians and I agree and that is why they are called the many.
Mac.
Surely you are not saying that we are not to love as a way of life because of unbelieving people who own a Bible might say those same words. Also, you must be aware that there is a HUGE difference between the love shown by the Lord working in one of his followers versus say someone who is not born again. For I doubt that the people of the world would love someone while they were being killed (Like with Jesus and Stephen). See, that is the love of God that many ignore. For if God hates sinners, then how could He have moved beyond his hate enough to die for us while we were yet sinners? Yes, God hates sin and he gets mad at sinners who refuse to repent, but he also feels sorrowful in the fact that they could have repented. Why? Well, because God is love.
 
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I found one of those on the street in 1969. After reading it I felt something stirring inside of me. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior a few minutes later. God placed that little book there just for me to find.
Yeah, when I read it still, it is very spot on wth the gospel. Very powerful.
 
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Have you repented of your sins and accepted Christ as your Savior?
If you haven't accepted Christ as your Savior, this comic book tract had helped me.



This Was Your Life.
Is this your get out clause to the questions mentioned in my previous posts?. It appears to me that what helps people to overcome their issues (be it what they are) is God's Holy Spirit?.

But here's something interesting, many religious organizations and the people believe in the existence of the Abrahamic God and all claim they have His Holy Spirit to guide them, so all i really need to do is choose which religious organization i want to be a part of?


Allahu Akbar
 
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Is this your get out clause to the questions mentioned in my previous posts?. It appears to me that what helps people to overcome their issues (be it what they are) is God's Holy Spirit?.

But here's something interesting, many religious organizations and the people believe in the existence of the Abrahamic God and all claim they have His Holy Spirit to guide them, so all i really need to do is choose which religious organization i want to be a part of?


Allahu Akbar
You will not be able to accept, nor understand unless you accept God. For God is love.
 
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I don't get it Jason - what is it?
It is a mini comic book the size of a small notepad that had helped lead me to Christ. If you click on the link, which says "This was your life" it will take you to an online version of the comic. The purpose the comic is to lead someone to Christ. Our friend here says he is unsure about his spiritual status in his profile (last I checked). So I provided the comic as a way to help him.
 
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Surely you are not saying that we are not to love as a way of life because of unbelieving people who own a Bible might say those same words. Also, you must be aware that there is a HUGE difference between the love shown by the Lord working in one of his followers versus say someone who is not born again. For I doubt that the people of the world would love someone while they were being killed (Like with Jesus and Stephen). See, that is the love of God that many ignore. For if God hates sinners, then how could He have moved beyond his hate enough to die for us while we were yet sinners? Yes, God hates sin and he gets mad at sinners who refuse to repent, but he also feels sorrowful in the fact that they could have repented. Why? Well, because God is love.
i said "You said "For we are to love as a way of life." That says most of mankind that has the Bible they are not Christians and I agree and that is why they are called the many."

Most do not love as a way of life and that tells us that most Bible reading people are not Christians.

I use third grade English and what I just said again looks and sounds correct keep in mind I am speaking about people who read and say they live by the Bible. A good example is found on the freeways Christians do drive the speed limits almost all the time we all make mistakes but I have never seen a car going the speed limit yet other then mine. Grant you there must be a few but I just have not seen one.

Another good example is God names His Church in the Bible over ten times but there can be more yet I see 100's of different names for churches! Such is why the Bible say the many and the few and remember the get together with others of like minds well with all those churches it is not happening. That is why the first followers had to go into hiding, today they do not hide...

Mac.
 
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While Judas lost his salvation by betraying the Lord and by committing suicide, If God didn't love Judas then Judas would not have benefited in any of the goodness from God. Yes, God loved him but it is not the same kind of love that God has for His faithful followers, though. Hence, why God chooses to reward those according to their deeds.
In the eternal perspective Judas never had salvation. He was doomed from the beginning, and Jesus knew who he was.
Jesus took great effort to declare he knew of the betrayal and attitude of heart, and still let it happen.
Psalm 109 shows Judas and his attitude. He as the same as the pharisees, so close and yet so lost.
 
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Is this your get out clause to the questions mentioned in my previous posts?. It appears to me that what helps people to overcome their issues (be it what they are) is God's Holy Spirit?.

But here's something interesting, many religious organizations and the people believe in the existence of the Abrahamic God and all claim they have His Holy Spirit to guide them, so all i really need to do is choose which religious organization i want to be a part of?


Allahu Akbar

There is a theme you are missing. This theme is the one of revenge or love. Many hurt us in our lives, cause failure, so we defend ourselves and build a wall. We then deal with people at a distance, and hide and repress the love we have. This makes us hard hearted, unable to empathise.

Jesus came to break open this lie, to say love can conquer all, that no evil or bitterness need defeat anyone, because the Lord the creator is there to reach out and help them, not be removing evil, but by putting it into perspective. Judgement will come, things will be set to right, so the right heart and attitude do matter, things will go as the Lord intends.

Now the question is simply do you side with Jesus or the world? Do you want love and resolution, or bitterness and revenge that will lead to death and judgment? It is like saying, do you want to pick a fight you will never win, or accept you have lost today, and win the battle that will never fail into eternity.
 
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There is a simple problem theologically.

God will move through sinners, even people in rebellion against Him.
In the debate with the pharisees, Jesus points out even they cast out demons, so they should recognise the same thing in Jesus. So Gods authority outranks people or the instrument calling on the Lord.

Jesus underlines this by saying people will come to him saying they did things in His name, as if this justifies their behaviour even though it was evil. Jesus's response is simple, "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Spiritual authority and preaching is not enough, living it is the thing Jesus is looking for.
 
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There is a theme you are missing. This theme is the one of revenge or love. Many hurt us in our lives, cause failure, so we defend ourselves and build a wall. We then deal with people at a distance, and hide and repress the love we have. This makes us hard hearted, unable to empathise.
I'm not saying it is a bad thing I am saying that it is amazing that a human being can love bad people implicitly, saying to hate bad but not the bad person is difficult to get my head round, but I might perhaps in time understand better?. I have much to understand when it comes to implicit love, anyone can say they love, but how deep is that love?. That is why I am amazed with God and His Son Jesus Christ, absolutely phenomenal, the absolute personification of love. I am misunderstood or I don't make things clear? I think sometimes I might have to put on the Christian blinkers and just use faith and focus on God?
 
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In the eternal perspective Judas never had salvation. He was doomed from the beginning, and Jesus knew who he was.
Jesus took great effort to declare he knew of the betrayal and attitude of heart, and still let it happen.
Psalm 109 shows Judas and his attitude. He as the same as the pharisees, so close and yet so lost.
This is the problem with the thinking of the church today. Their moral compass is shut off when they read the Bible. If Judas was always lost, then not only would Jesus haved lied about the conditional promises to His disciples (Which I have provided verses for already), but He would have chosen an evil person to represent His good kingdom.
 

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John 6 70 Jesus clearly states " did I not CHOOSE you? yet on of you IS a devil. so he new when he choose judas what was in is heart.