God or Guns?

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Ezekiel 14:14,16-20 (KJV)
Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God . [16] Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God , they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate. [17] Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it: [18] Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God , they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves. [19] Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast: [20] Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God , they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

The Lord brings the swords!

Man can only deliver himself or herself

Man can only deliver himself or herself

We cannot deliver our children nor can we protect our children with a weapon when The Lord brings a sword
 
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Gun kills that is its purpose.

Gun kills souls.
Cars kill more than guns, want to get rid of cars?
Too many Hitlers in this world!
 
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What if satan comes at you like he came at Job family and servants? Job was not around his servants or family?

Who you gonna call?
Teach my children to use guns and send them off packing.
 
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What if satan comes at you like he came at Job family and servants? Job was not around his servants or family?

Who you gonna call?
If we're using that example, I believe they got sick and died; kinda out of my control. For the hurt and pain, I probably should turn to Christ, but to be honest I'm not sure what I'd do if I lost ALL my children.
 

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Some folks should be killed.
Romans 12:19 (KJV)
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.


The Lord will get thrm
 

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If we're using that example, I believe they got sick and died; kinda out of my control. For the hurt and pain, I probably should turn to Christ, but to be honest I'm not sure what I'd do if I lost ALL my children.
They were killed violently and nothing happens on this earth without The Lords permission
He knows everything

Luke 12:6-7 (KJV)
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? [7] But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
 
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Romans 12:19 (KJV)
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.


The Lord will get thrm
Lets send them to the Lord and let Him be their judge.
God told us to send all these rapist, murders, pedophiles and such to Him. He also said that, by doing so we would send a clear message to all who would commit these abominations. One of the reasons we have so much depravity, is a punishment from God for not obeying Him in this matter. You want to protect the innocent, you must punish the guilty. Make an example of them.
 

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The Lord said save yourself
Acts 2:40 (KJV)
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Save yourself from the heretics and false cults of this generation. The same warning still stands today, perhaps even more so.

"saying, save yourselves from this untoward generation: meaning, the chief priests, Scribes, and Pharisees, and elders of the people, chiefly, who were a perverse generation of men; and upon whom, for their impenitence and unbelief, for their rejection of the Messiah, and their evil treatment of him, wrath and ruin would come upon them, to the uttermost, very quickly; wherefore the apostle exhorts to separate from them, and not partake of their sins, lest they should also of their plagues; but come out from among them, and so, in a temporal sense, save themselves from the destruction that would quickly come on their nation, city, and temple; and so the Arabic version renders it, "escape from this rough generation". (Gill)
 

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Lets send them to the Lord and let Him be their judge.
God told us to send all these rapist, murders, pedophiles and such to Him. He also said that, by doing so we would send a clear message to all who would commit these abominations. One of the reasons we have so much depravity, is a punishment from God for not obeying Him in this matter. You want to protect the innocent, you must punish the guilty. Make an example of them.
By murderers do you mean people who with premeditated aforethought go out into the street with a gun strapped to them, and who would have no qualms about using it?
 
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By murderers do you mean people who with premeditated aforethought go out into the street with a gun strapped to them, and who would have no qualms about using it?
No. You don't even know what a murderer is.

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another person
, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts enormous grief upon the individuals close to the victim, and the commission of a murder is highly detrimental to the good order within society, most societies both present and in antiquity have considered it a most serious crime worthy of the harshest of punishment. In most countries, a person convicted of murder is typically given a long prison sentence, possibly a life sentence where permitted, and in some countries, the death penalty may be imposed for such an act — though this practice is becoming less common.[1] In most countries, there is no statute of limitations for murder (no time limit for prosecuting someone for murder).[citation needed] A person who commits murder is called a murderer.[2]


Just because I carry a gun, know how to use it, and am not afraid to, doesn't make me a murderer.
There is such a thing as justifiable homicide, in the eyes of God and man.
 
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No. You don't even know what a murderer is.

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another person
, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts enormous grief upon the individuals close to the victim, and the commission of a murder is highly detrimental to the good order within society, most societies both present and in antiquity have considered it a most serious crime worthy of the harshest of punishment. In most countries, a person convicted of murder is typically given a long prison sentence, possibly a life sentence where permitted, and in some countries, the death penalty may be imposed for such an act — though this practice is becoming less common.[1] In most countries, there is no statute of limitations for murder (no time limit for prosecuting someone for murder).[citation needed] A person who commits murder is called a murderer.[2]


Just because I carry a gun, know how to use it, and am not afraid to, doesn't make me a murderer.
There is such a thing as justifiable homicide, in the eyes of God and man.
It is the malice aforethought that turns a killer into a murderer and if strapping a gun to yourself ready to use isn't malice aforethought I don't know what is.

As far as the second amendment goes, LIFE is our God given right and only God has power over life and death.
 
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It is the malice aforethought that turns a killer into a murderer and if strapping a gun to yourself ready to use isn't malice aforethought I don't know what is.

As far as the second amendment goes, LIFE is our God given right and only God has power over life and death.
So according to you all police officer is a murderer.
 

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So according to you all police officer is a murderer.
I reckon so. I don't think anyone has the right to take another's life just because the government says so. The government is not God and this right to life is one reason we abolished capitol punishment in the UK.

I believe the way to deal with a dangerous criminal is to remove their liberty, the second amendment does this by killing people, the UK does it by removing them to a place where they can harm no-one which is far more humane and gives the criminal time to repent.

The second amendment talks about our God given right to Liberty, but that can be forfeited as I have just explained. Our actual God given right is to life and you will hear this said in relation to abortion as well.
 
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I reckon so. I don't think anyone has the right to take another's life just because the government says so. The government is not God and this right to life is one reason we abolished capitol punishment in the UK.

I believe the way to deal with a dangerous criminal is to remove their liberty, the second amendment does this by killing people, the UK does it by removing them to a place where they can harm no-one which is far more humane and gives the criminal time to repent.

The second amendment talks about our God given right to Liberty, but that can be forfeited as I have just explained. Our actual God given right is to life and you will hear this said in relation to abortion as well.
The second amendment does not give anyone the right to own a gun. All rights come from the Creator. The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protect the free people of the US from a government like yours taking their freedoms and liberties. Because you do not have the freedom and liberty in the UK that we enjoy in the US, and never have, you do not have a clue of it's value.

Americans not only have the right to own guns, but it is a patriotic duty to own guns. The blood of the people had to be shed to gain liberty and independence from the tyranny of your government. And it may, one day be required to maintain that liberty and freedom from our own government.

My heart truly goes out to all of you who live without true liberty.

May God bless you in every way
 

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The second amendment does not give anyone the right to own a gun. All rights come from the Creator. The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protect the free people of the US from a government like yours taking their freedoms and liberties. Because you do not have the freedom and liberty in the UK that we enjoy in the US, and never have, you do not have a clue of it's value.

Americans not only have the right to own guns, but it is a patriotic duty to own guns. The blood of the people had to be shed to gain liberty and independence from the tyranny of your government. And it may, one day be required to maintain that liberty and freedom from our own government.

My heart truly goes out to all of you who live without true liberty.

May God bless you in every way
Then the American government has it's Gestapo among its own people which it deploys all over the world.
 
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Then the American government has it's Gestapo among its own people which it deploys all over the world.
Don't forget it was Hitlers' Gestapo that took the guns away from the people.
If America looses it's liberty, who will protect the rest of the world.
So long as the American people are free to keep their arms, no Hitler Gestapo will rise here, and America will remain free. But without a free America all other nations are doomed.
 

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Don't forget it was Hitler's' Gestapo that took the guns away from the people.
If America looses it's liberty, who will protect the rest of the world.
So long as the American people are free to keep their arms, no Hitler Gestapo will rise here, and America will remain free. But without a free America all other nations are doomed.
The difference between you and the Gestapo is that Hitler provided the weapons whereas you have bought your own under the guise of patriotism and this sense of patriotism has been so instilled in you that you will not rebel against your own people or the American government, although you did in the war of independence, but now the government would give you just enough to keep you happy.

They have you dangling like a puppet on a string. You have been well and truly taken in, but this is what world government is all about.
 
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Don't forget it was Hitlers' Gestapo that took the guns away from the people.
If America looses it's liberty, who will protect the rest of the world.
So long as the American people are free to keep their arms, no Hitler Gestapo will rise here, and America will remain free. But without a free America all other nations are doomed.
Protect the rest of the world?

Try telling the people that are bombed and killed by our countries in the name of peace....

I once believed it all too...

We call those killed in action hero's the people they fight against call them enemies.

Which man is right? the man who is shooting on his home land believing too he is protecting his family from those who have invaded or the man on foreign land wearing a uniform "liberating" them with his gun?.....

If the same soldier comes and requests you hand over your gun in the name of "peace" will you behave any different to the afghan man who believes he has the right to protect His family?

Surely if your government do things for "peace" and "safety" in the rest of the world then you should too trust them? does not work both ways.




Friends, let it all come to pass.


There is a season for all things and this is the time for Peace on our part.


Pray for Strength to endure whatever comes to pass.

The Almighty Yahvah God is offering Salvation through Yahshua the Messiah.

The Battles that came to pass are fought.

It is better to be killed than to kill.

The Messiah is our example.

It all may seem premature, but if ever the moment comes let there be no question in your mind like the title of the thread...

Trust in the Almighty in all things.


Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.


Somethings for you:

Psalm 20

1<> The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;
2Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;

3Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah.

4Grant thee according to thine own heart, and fulfil all thy counsel.

5We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions.

6Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand.

7Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

8They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.

9Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call.
 
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