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BarlyGurl

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What came through to me is how emotional people get about guns.
WHile I haven't read... EVERY SINGLE POST. Sorry but I am going to have to disagree with AGAIN...


I don't see anyone being EMOTIONAL about guns... I saw people being VERY PASSIONATE about Jesus' Redemptive work thru death, burial, resurrection and ascention. I saw people being very passionate about the correct interpretations of scripture. I saw Americans standing FIRM on the authoritative foundations of the US constitution because we believe our omniscient GOD provided the US constitution for us... For such a time as this and I think those are all pretty worthy causes to be "emotional" about.
 
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peterT

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I read and believe every one of the Scriptures, but the Lord does not usually step in and supernaturally defend people. If you don't believe that, just look at the 20,000,000 people (mostly Christians and Jews) that the Lord allowed to be killed by Nazi Germany during WW2 or read Fox's Book of Martyrs, Martyrs Mirror or the Pilgrim Church. On the other hand, our God is also a God of war . . .

Psa 144:1 "Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."
Rv12 The woman flees into the wilderness were she is protected and fed by God supernaturally for 3 ½ years

Rv11 The two end time prophets preach for 3 ½ years, protected and fed by God supernaturally until there testimony was finished

He is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever and he changes not.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and TODAY, and for ever.

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change

And as for the Christians and Jews that were killed by Nazi Germany during WW2
Maybe if they had listened to the still small voice of God they would have fled like some of the friends and neighbours and family before the war had even started. More than 5 years they were fleeing before the war had started.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1 Kings 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

God is in the little things as well as the big things and he is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.And he is a supernatural God and he changes not.


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MidniteWelder

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as i stated before abiding i don't care who owns a weapon its between them and God

what I question is a servant of God carrying a weapon for protection of his family or property

God is suppose to be his or her protection.

what you should do also is go back to the beginning before Adam sinned

nothing was suppose to die not even the animals

death is because of sin
a weapon is for killing whether protection or hunting

go back to the beginning and read where man did not eat meat

and before Adam sinned

notjhing was suppose to die.
In case you havent noticed, we dont live in the Garden of Eden, this is reality, theres a real world out there where satans only goal is to kill and destroy. He doesnt care whether its the Christian or the one who brings it upon themself for trying to kill the Christian.
God provided for Christians to defend themselves with HIM backing them.
I as well have not seen anybody getting "emotional" about guns but instead having a "Well Informed & Educated" Stance regarding the proper, lawful and well trained use of firearms for the PRESERVATION of life which is what self-defense is.
If some misled person goes out on a rampage to Murder (which is different than killing) several people then several people die
Which is better
Instead justly the murderer gets shot legally and justifiably one dies instead of several.
That is preservation. If that person gets told to throw down their weapon or else be shot for still remaining a deadly threat to others and that person did not heed the warning, it is the perpetrators mistake not the mistake of the well trained individual who is called to neutralize the threat of oppression. (death of the innocent being the act of oppression)
While certain others have taken uneducted and uninformed stances which are actually the definitiion of "an Emotional decision" based upon fear, and the fear of firearms.
And as we are told by scripture is that anything based on fear is "Sin". As opposed to Faith.
While not everybody has the same type of calling as David, or Samson, or Moses, or Abraham, to protect or defend the oppressed when needed, there are enough instances in the bible which tell us that there a few called upon by God who are.
Not everybody is a defender, not everybody is equipped with that God given and well trained, honed instinct.
Those who arent should be of the understanding mind that while "THEY" in particular may not be callled for that purpose, each has their own different calling under Gods plan.
I must agree with Barlygurl in her last post.
God in HIS infinite wisdom and understand equipped the citizens of the United states with a very special form of God ordained authority written in our laws.
Every citizen who arms themself is acting according to law and is not acting outside of the laws of the land nor the laws written and instituted by God himself.

If anyone whishes to argue they may try to reconcile the fact that David, who acting in accordance with Gods leading killed Goliath with justifiable reason.
David said both this in Psalm 46:1
1God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
and later to also say in Psalm 144:1
1Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Those who advocate no reason for self defense in the eyes of fighting against oppression and tyranny seem to be new Christians who are getting the basics right for now but still have much to learn in understanding Gods full Character.
As well as Ive mentioned before some are still feeding on Milk when others have progressed to meat.
I kinda like meat, and I fully understand God made all the animals clean and suitable for us to eat.
I also understand that we do not live on bread alone but by the very word of God.
And it is therefore we must eat of the meat of scripture he provides

So whos going to call David a hypocrite for advocating that God is both a refuge but later say God calls some of his elect with the training and skills for war in the defense of others.
Some of those others lives defended may have not come to the Lord yet and it is those who really need to be protected, not so much the ones already saved.
Thats what so many of us are trying to help others understand.
And for those who keep suggesting why Jesus never lifted a hand to anybody may want to use proper discernment within the scriptures to understand the reason why Jesus chose not to get people to follow him out of fear when his goal was to get people to follow him out of Love and respect in order to show the other side of his character not fully understood or seen up until that point.
His merciful and meek side.
Meek is not to be confused with weak
Meek is not to lay down and take undeserved punishment
Jesus in his own life clearly exhibited that the death penalty is still in effect otherwsie he would have spoken against his own death, the death of the murderer and the thief on the crosses with him.
Jesus showed that the wages for sin is precisely
Death
And is the very reason WHY he chose to become sin in order to pay that penalty for those who choose to follow him.
God is the same yesterday today and forever
He outlined the punishment for certain transgressions against him as well as his followers.
Those who choose their fluffy bunny version of Jesus taking from scripture what they like and throwing out what they dont arent consuming the full word of God with proper discernment.
When it is said, "live at peace with one another IF THAT BE POSSIBLE"
the last part if that be possible indicates in and of itself that there are times when it may not be possible.
In such times when it is not possible after trying over and over, The Lord leads....Not man.

Those who choose to follow him or use his word improperly, well to put it lightly,
Jesus never said they were pardoned.
No, instead he said he will say to them, "I never knew you"
Try and get to know him better, his full character, that theres many facets and sides to the Lords personality, peace, wrath, war, wisdom, just punishment and discipline, a father, a teacher, a counsellor, a leader a brother, and more. And all these aspects of Him who leads us are all wrapped up in a being of Love.
Just the same as a parent teaches guides and disciplines their own child, yet God doesnt stop once we become an adult, and for that I am thankful that he continues where our own parents may have stopped for nobly giving us our wings to fly out on our own.
We're not in the Garden of Eden
Look around. We're also not in heaven yet and things are going to become much worse.
Prepare yourself for it, let God speak to you and dont speak from within yourself.




 
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veritas0721

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I think some people are missing another facet of owning a gun and that is not self defense. What about owning a gun if you enjoy shooting targets or hunting? There is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with shooting down cans, paper targets and other similar targets. It's just like any other sport. In fact there are competition shooting matches to see how good your skill level is. Also what about hunting? Now not everyone is comfortable with doing that and that's ok but what about those who do? That's why most of the people are mad at the gun laws that might be going into affect.
Another thought to, I don't feel that it's right for those people who have never owned, fired or even touched a gun to be voicing their opinions so strongly about them. I genuinely do not mean that in anger but as a wise suggestion. There are things that I know nothing about and the bible says that we should be wise in our decisions and in full control of our emotions. That is all that I ask people to do.
 

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I think some people are missing another facet of owning a gun and that is not self defense. What about owning a gun if you enjoy shooting targets or hunting? There is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with shooting down cans, paper targets and other similar targets. It's just like any other sport. In fact there are competition shooting matches to see how good your skill level is. Also what about hunting? Now not everyone is comfortable with doing that and that's ok but what about those who do? That's why most of the people are mad at the gun laws that might be going into affect.
Another thought to, I don't feel that it's right for those people who have never owned, fired or even touched a gun to be voicing their opinions so strongly about them. I genuinely do not mean that in anger but as a wise suggestion. There are things that I know nothing about and the bible says that we should be wise in our decisions and in full control of our emotions. That is all that I ask people to do.
I don't live in America so I'm unlikely to get shot which is a good reason not to have guns.

However anyone who is a potential victim should be entitled to a view in my opinion.

Or are you saying gun owners are judge and jury and what they say goes.
 

iog

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In case you havent noticed, we dont live in the Garden of Eden, this is reality, theres a real world out there where satans only goal is to kill and destroy. He doesnt care whether its the Christian or the one who brings it upon themself for trying to kill the Christian.
God provided for Christians to defend themselves with HIM backing them.
I as well have not seen anybody getting "emotional" about guns but instead having a "Well Informed & Educated" Stance regarding the proper, lawful and well trained use of firearms for the PRESERVATION of life which is what self-defense is.
If some misled person goes out on a rampage to Murder (which is different than killing) several people then several people die
Which is better
Instead justly the murderer gets shot legally and justifiably one dies instead of several.
That is preservation. If that person gets told to throw down their weapon or else be shot for still remaining a deadly threat to others and that person did not heed the warning, it is the perpetrators mistake not the mistake of the well trained individual who is called to neutralize the threat of oppression. (death of the innocent being the act of oppression)
While certain others have taken uneducted and uninformed stances which are actually the definitiion of "an Emotional decision" based upon fear, and the fear of firearms.
And as we are told by scripture is that anything based on fear is "Sin". As opposed to Faith.
While not everybody has the same type of calling as David, or Samson, or Moses, or Abraham, to protect or defend the oppressed when needed, there are enough instances in the bible which tell us that there a few called upon by God who are.
Not everybody is a defender, not everybody is equipped with that God given and well trained, honed instinct.
Those who arent should be of the understanding mind that while "THEY" in particular may not be callled for that purpose, each has their own different calling under Gods plan.
I must agree with Barlygurl in her last post.
God in HIS infinite wisdom and understand equipped the citizens of the United states with a very special form of God ordained authority written in our laws.
Every citizen who arms themself is acting according to law and is not acting outside of the laws of the land nor the laws written and instituted by God himself.

If anyone whishes to argue they may try to reconcile the fact that David, who acting in accordance with Gods leading killed Goliath with justifiable reason.
David said both this in Psalm 46:1
1God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
and later to also say in Psalm 144:1
1Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Those who advocate no reason for self defense in the eyes of fighting against oppression and tyranny seem to be new Christians who are getting the basics right for now but still have much to learn in understanding Gods full Character.
As well as Ive mentioned before some are still feeding on Milk when others have progressed to meat.
I kinda like meat, and I fully understand God made all the animals clean and suitable for us to eat.
I also understand that we do not live on bread alone but by the very word of God.
And it is therefore we must eat of the meat of scripture he provides

So whos going to call David a hypocrite for advocating that God is both a refuge but later say God calls some of his elect with the training and skills for war in the defense of others.
Some of those others lives defended may have not come to the Lord yet and it is those who really need to be protected, not so much the ones already saved.
Thats what so many of us are trying to help others understand.
And for those who keep suggesting why Jesus never lifted a hand to anybody may want to use proper discernment within the scriptures to understand the reason why Jesus chose not to get people to follow him out of fear when his goal was to get people to follow him out of Love and respect in order to show the other side of his character not fully understood or seen up until that point.
His merciful and meek side.
Meek is not to be confused with weak
Meek is not to lay down and take undeserved punishment
Jesus in his own life clearly exhibited that the death penalty is still in effect otherwsie he would have spoken against his own death, the death of the murderer and the thief on the crosses with him.
Jesus showed that the wages for sin is precisely
Death
And is the very reason WHY he chose to become sin in order to pay that penalty for those who choose to follow him.
God is the same yesterday today and forever
He outlined the punishment for certain transgressions against him as well as his followers.
Those who choose their fluffy bunny version of Jesus taking from scripture what they like and throwing out what they dont arent consuming the full word of God with proper discernment.
When it is said, "live at peace with one another IF THAT BE POSSIBLE"
the last part if that be possible indicates in and of itself that there are times when it may not be possible.
In such times when it is not possible after trying over and over, The Lord leads....Not man.

Those who choose to follow him or use his word improperly, well to put it lightly,
Jesus never said they were pardoned.
No, instead he said he will say to them, "I never knew you"
Try and get to know him better, his full character, that theres many facets and sides to the Lords personality, peace, wrath, war, wisdom, just punishment and discipline, a father, a teacher, a counsellor, a leader a brother, and more. And all these aspects of Him who leads us are all wrapped up in a being of Love.
Just the same as a parent teaches guides and disciplines their own child, yet God doesnt stop once we become an adult, and for that I am thankful that he continues where our own parents may have stopped for nobly giving us our wings to fly out on our own.
We're not in the Garden of Eden
Look around. We're also not in heaven yet and things are going to become much worse.
Prepare yourself for it, let God speak to you and dont speak from within yourself.




Your first Mother and Father lived in the real world the very world we are in today. No we are not in the garden of Eden again are first parents blew that.. Whoa you can do is not follow in the footsteps of Adam, Eve and Cain. Guns an weapons bring about death, because of those 3 we have death 6000 years later.

Passion is a emotion and gun owners are emotional about there weapons like Christians and any religious person is emotional about there faith.

The Lord said prepare for war He told the Gentiles that

Joel 3:9-10 (KJV)
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: [10] Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

we have the Gentiles preparing for war

Gentiles nations

An I scared ? NO!
Here is why

Psalm 91:1-4,9-11,14-15 (KJV)
He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. [2] I will say of the Lord , He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. [3] Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. [4] He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. [9] Because thou hast made the Lord , which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; [10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. [11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. [14] Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. [15] He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

Because Jesus is on his way to destroy the gentiles

Jeremiah 4:6-8 (KJV)
Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. [7] The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant. [8] For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl: for the fierce anger of the Lord is not turned back from us.

Notice no emotion or compassion attached just plain truth
 

iog

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In case you havent noticed, we dont live in the Garden of Eden, this is reality, theres a real world out there where satans only goal is to kill and destroy. He doesnt care whether its the Christian or the one who brings it upon themself for trying to kill the Christian.
God provided for Christians to defend themselves with HIM backing them.
I as well have not seen anybody getting "emotional" about guns but instead having a "Well Informed & Educated" Stance regarding the proper, lawful and well trained use of firearms for the PRESERVATION of life which is what self-defense is.
If some misled person goes out on a rampage to Murder (which is different than killing) several people then several people die
Which is better
Instead justly the murderer gets shot legally and justifiably one dies instead of several.
That is preservation. If that person gets told to throw down their weapon or else be shot for still remaining a deadly threat to others and that person did not heed the warning, it is the perpetrators mistake not the mistake of the well trained individual who is called to neutralize the threat of oppression. (death of the innocent being the act of oppression)
While certain others have taken uneducted and uninformed stances which are actually the definitiion of "an Emotional decision" based upon fear, and the fear of firearms.
And as we are told by scripture is that anything based on fear is "Sin". As opposed to Faith.
While not everybody has the same type of calling as David, or Samson, or Moses, or Abraham, to protect or defend the oppressed when needed, there are enough instances in the bible which tell us that there a few called upon by God who are.
Not everybody is a defender, not everybody is equipped with that God given and well trained, honed instinct.
Those who arent should be of the understanding mind that while "THEY" in particular may not be callled for that purpose, each has their own different calling under Gods plan.
I must agree with Barlygurl in her last post.
God in HIS infinite wisdom and understand equipped the citizens of the United states with a very special form of God ordained authority written in our laws.
Every citizen who arms themself is acting according to law and is not acting outside of the laws of the land nor the laws written and instituted by God himself.

If anyone whishes to argue they may try to reconcile the fact that David, who acting in accordance with Gods leading killed Goliath with justifiable reason.
David said both this in Psalm 46:1
1God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
and later to also say in Psalm 144:1
1Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Those who advocate no reason for self defense in the eyes of fighting against oppression and tyranny seem to be new Christians who are getting the basics right for now but still have much to learn in understanding Gods full Character.
As well as Ive mentioned before some are still feeding on Milk when others have progressed to meat.
I kinda like meat, and I fully understand God made all the animals clean and suitable for us to eat.
I also understand that we do not live on bread alone but by the very word of God.
And it is therefore we must eat of the meat of scripture he provides

So whos going to call David a hypocrite for advocating that God is both a refuge but later say God calls some of his elect with the training and skills for war in the defense of others.
Some of those others lives defended may have not come to the Lord yet and it is those who really need to be protected, not so much the ones already saved.
Thats what so many of us are trying to help others understand.
And for those who keep suggesting why Jesus never lifted a hand to anybody may want to use proper discernment within the scriptures to understand the reason why Jesus chose not to get people to follow him out of fear when his goal was to get people to follow him out of Love and respect in order to show the other side of his character not fully understood or seen up until that point.
His merciful and meek side.
Meek is not to be confused with weak
Meek is not to lay down and take undeserved punishment
Jesus in his own life clearly exhibited that the death penalty is still in effect otherwsie he would have spoken against his own death, the death of the murderer and the thief on the crosses with him.
Jesus showed that the wages for sin is precisely
Death
And is the very reason WHY he chose to become sin in order to pay that penalty for those who choose to follow him.
God is the same yesterday today and forever
He outlined the punishment for certain transgressions against him as well as his followers.
Those who choose their fluffy bunny version of Jesus taking from scripture what they like and throwing out what they dont arent consuming the full word of God with proper discernment.
When it is said, "live at peace with one another IF THAT BE POSSIBLE"
the last part if that be possible indicates in and of itself that there are times when it may not be possible.
In such times when it is not possible after trying over and over, The Lord leads....Not man.

Those who choose to follow him or use his word improperly, well to put it lightly,
Jesus never said they were pardoned.
No, instead he said he will say to them, "I never knew you"
Try and get to know him better, his full character, that theres many facets and sides to the Lords personality, peace, wrath, war, wisdom, just punishment and discipline, a father, a teacher, a counsellor, a leader a brother, and more. And all these aspects of Him who leads us are all wrapped up in a being of Love.
Just the same as a parent teaches guides and disciplines their own child, yet God doesnt stop once we become an adult, and for that I am thankful that he continues where our own parents may have stopped for nobly giving us our wings to fly out on our own.
We're not in the Garden of Eden
Look around. We're also not in heaven yet and things are going to become much worse.
Prepare yourself for it, let God speak to you and dont speak from within yourself.




Are you David
Did God speak by your mouth
David was a lowly shepherd who God raised up, God guided a rock to slay Goliath a d God protected David from Saul

So I ask you again are you David?
 

iog

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I think some people are missing another facet of owning a gun and that is not self defense. What about owning a gun if you enjoy shooting targets or hunting? There is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with shooting down cans, paper targets and other similar targets. It's just like any other sport. In fact there are competition shooting matches to see how good your skill level is. Also what about hunting? Now not everyone is comfortable with doing that and that's ok but what about those who do? That's why most of the people are mad at the gun laws that might be going into affect.
Another thought to, I don't feel that it's right for those people who have never owned, fired or even touched a gun to be voicing their opinions so strongly about them. I genuinely do not mean that in anger but as a wise suggestion. There are things that I know nothing about and the bible says that we should be wise in our decisions and in full control of our emotions. That is all that I ask people to do.
Because of sin this is what happens to men and men with weapons

Genesis 6:5 (KJV)
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Each generation of weapons get worse and worse for what ? Killing = death
 

iog

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Matthew 5:38-41 (KJV)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. [41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Jesus made it harder for us from his days on earth to now

Jesus said give the other cheek if you get clocked in the one

He did not say pull out your glock and blow the persons head off
 

iog

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Deuteronomy 20:1-4 (KJV)
When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the Lord thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. [2] And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people, [3] And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; [4] For the Lord your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.

The battle is already won!
Israel really did not need to suit up
 

iog

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Before they killed Jesus he got a beat down

Isaiah 53:4-5,7-8,10 (KJV)
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. [8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. [10] Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
 

iog

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Isaiah 50:6 (KJV)
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
 

iog

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Isaiah 52:14 (KJV)
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
 
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MidniteWelder

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Are you David
Did God speak by your mouth
David was a lowly shepherd who God raised up, God guided a rock to slay Goliath a d God protected David from Saul

So I ask you again are you David?
Are you suggesting I need to be David
What is a gentile?
Perhaps you could take a look at Revelation 2 which speaks of future events to come

25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
American followers of Christ will be holding on to what they have until he comes, including their firearms because it was setup this way from the beginning and will be this way until the end.
Do you notice we are in the end times, right bro.
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery
(What are the implications you notice here, dashing to pieces like pottery will not be done with a hug to those who are hell bent on evil to destroy that which God has established.
Who will be dashed to pieces like pottery?)
—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Christians with guns dont suggest do what we say or else. Thats Gods job.
We say leave us alone and dont give us a reason.
 

iog

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Jesus said search the scriptures for they testify of me

Jesus was spit upon beat down so bad that no man has been badly beaten worse than he was

Yet The Lord did not call a legion of angels to come save him
Yet The did not pull out or call upon a atom bomb or drone to take out the Romans or Pharisees

The Lord turned the other cheek
 

iog

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Are you suggesting I need to be David
What is a gentile?
Perhaps you could take a look at Revelation 2 which speaks of future events to come

25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
American followers of Christ will be holding on to what they have until he comes, including their firearms because it was setup this way from the beginning and will be this way until the end.
Do you notice we are in the end times, right bro.
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery
(What are the implications you notice here, dashing to pieces like pottery will not be done with a hug to those who are hell bent on evil to destroy that which God has established.
Who will be dashed to pieces like pottery?)
—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Christians with guns dont suggest do what we say or else. Thats Gods job.
We say leave us alone and dont give us a reason.

Who is doing the killing ?
Jesus
Who will rule with a rod of iron
Jesus

What if the nations of the earth put down there weapons when the Lord came instead of trying to fight him?

What is a Gentiles?
They are the sons of Japhath

Genesis 10:2-5 (KJV)
The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. [3] And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. [4] And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. [5] By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

God made David into a warrior
David was a shepherd boy

God made David onto a warrior and king

Who nowadays can say God told them to pickup a weapon?
 
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MidniteWelder

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Turning the other cheek can be understood as accepting ones punishment if it is deserved without retaliation.
It was common place in that day to be struck on the side of the face disrespecting one in authority over you, such as the ruling Magistrate
As well turning the other cheek is good measure when it is an instance of a heated argument or something and one person flies off the handle in the heat of the situation.
A Christian in that circumstance could understand that remaining calm so as to let the other get their frustrations out is better than fueling the fire to prevent things from escalating.
These are more one on one circumstances.
Entirely different than a nations govt. turning against its own citizens.
Try and be more informed about it.

Im glad you brought up Jesus' example of being able to call upon a several legions of Angels Approx 72,000
It should be understood why the demons trembled and submitted to him while he was even but a human here on earth.
Jesus did not have any supernatural power as a human and did everything by the power of his Father in heaven while here.
The demons tremble because.........................
They knew he had power backing his words.
They knew what he was capable of, and therefore feared him because of it.
They knew the repercussions if they didnt submit to his authority.
THAT my friend is exactly what the definition of MEEK is
Power under control
Knowing what one is capable of and only administering such power
IF
and
WHEN
necessary
And those with that experience most often do turn the other cheek understanding what they are capable of and that the other is highly ignorant of what they are doing and will learn their lesson in a more Noble fashion.
Most likely from conviction
Conviction of the Gentile Govt Nations isnt going to change the prophecy of the end times
Perhaps you could understand the time we live in now.
 

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Are you suggesting I need to be David
What is a gentile?
Perhaps you could take a look at Revelation 2 which speaks of future events to come

25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
American followers of Christ will be holding on to what they have until he comes, including their firearms because it was setup this way from the beginning and will be this way until the end.
Do you notice we are in the end times, right bro.
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery
(What are the implications you notice here, dashing to pieces like pottery will not be done with a hug to those who are hell bent on evil to destroy that which God has established.
Who will be dashed to pieces like pottery?)
—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Christians with guns dont suggest do what we say or else. Thats Gods job.
We say leave us alone and dont give us a reason.

Where does it say that the one that overcometh has a weapon

Read what it says
Revelation 2:26-27 (KJV)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

You do know that the nations will be broken when The Lord returns
You are aware that the people in the first resurrection will have power and the people who are still flesh no power
You do know that you don't need a weapon to break a person or nation especially when you have the power of God

Where is the weapon on the verse (the Rod)?
Naw
The Lord is showing you that democracy communism and socialism is a thing of the past it will be a flat out dictatorship
 
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Because of sin this is what happens to men and men with weapons

Genesis 6:5 (KJV)
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Each generation of weapons get worse and worse for what ? Killing = death
Hi IOG

Do you think Israel should destroy all of its weapons, give up its army, tanks and airforce, and just trust God to directly protect it from those who seek its destruction?
Just curious
 
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