God`s 3 Prophetic Days.

[Marilyn]

Right, which means Messiah finished His work, fulfilled all Messianic Prophecies. The works of man is not Messianic Prophecy.

Jesus said, `I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.` (Matt. 16: 18)

Jesus prophesied that He would build His called out ones and this He has been doing for over 2000 years. The Lord Jesus is still working, building and maturing His Body till He brings it to completion. So the Lord is still working and finishing what He prophesied to do.

 

[JaumeJ]

One of the "Messianic" prophecis is the second advent of our Lord. There are others before this event but I do not think, though written they will be believed by one who thinks they are finished.

 

[pottersclay]

Right, which means Messiah finished His work, fulfilled all Messianic Prophecies. The works of man is not Messianic Prophecy.

Jesus has not finished his work. He had come first to save israel. Their rejection does not mean this will not be accomplished. Our God is the God of the impossible.
The word of the Lord will not return void.
Jesus has 3 more appointed times to fulfill. There are also offerings and preparations to accompanying these times.
Jesus being the high priest shall accomplish these thing which are required.
These things shall be accomplished when the times of the gentiles are finished and the gathering of israel is complete.
The book of revelation is about the redemption of israel which was his first mission.
Those who are first are last and those who are last are first.
The destruction of the last temple was to further the scattering of Israel for there was and is no need for a sacrifice.
Christ being the perfect sacrifice forever more.
The temple built in revelation is to fulfill prophecy of the abomination that makes desolate and for messiah to be seated on the throne of david during the thousand yr. Reign.
The messianic fulfillment is the feast of tabernacle. God with us.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I predict the majority of this thread will be fierce opposition to what you just posted. Thanks for sharing your opinion though.

Only the 7 years, everything else I totally agree.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I believe that God has 3 Prophetic Days. The word Day meaning a period of time and a specific Day.

1. The Day of Christ - there is a period of time for Christ to build and mature His Body, (Eph. 4: 11 - 16) plus a specific day for Christ to appear for His Body and take them to glory. (1 Thess. 4: 13 - 18)

2. The Day of the Lord (God Almighty for judgment) - the period of time for God to deal with Israel and the nations, ( Matt. 24: 5 - 28) plus a specific day when the Lord returns to earth to deliver Israel and judge the nations. (Rev. 19: 11 - 21, Matt. 25: 31 - 46) This time period continues into the millennium where the Lord will rule through Israel over the nations with a rod of iron. (Dan. 7: 27, Ps. 2)

3. The Day of God - the new heavens and new earth, eternity.

I think the Day of the Lord and the Day of God are the same, before that are TWO DAYS of church age, which are 41 jubilee cycles of 2009 years, also representing 41 weeks of gestation in that "birth pang" analogy. Right now we're in the last jubilee cycle, the Day of the Lord is the day of atonement, right after that is a jubilee year and the first year of the millennial kingdom. This stuff is nothing new.

 

[DanielLL]

So the Lord is still working and finishing what He prophesied to do.

One of the "Messianic" prophecis is the second advent of our Lord

Jesus has not finished his work

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So, how can you know Jesus was Messiah, if He didn't "seal up the vision and prophecy"? Which ones of these are yet to be fulfilled?
You realize you can't prove Jesus is Messiah, if He didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecy. According to you guys it is still unknown if He is Messiah or not, since "He is still working on fulfilling Prophecy". I don't know if you realize, to say that Jesus didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecies, is to say that Jesus is not Messiah. Because Messiah fulfills all Messianic Prophecies.

Now, the second coming is after the seventy weeks, after all Prophecy is sealed, and after the covenant is confirmed. After Messiah is confirmed, He comes to judge as King those who reject Messiah. Messiah had to be confirmed and fulfilled first in order for Messiah to have legal basis against those who reject Him, because after all Prophecy is sealed, those who reject Messiah are without excuse, since all Prophecy was fulfilled and the covenant confirmed.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So, how can you know Jesus was Messiah, if He didn't "seal up the vision and prophecy"? Which ones of these are yet to be fulfilled?
You realize you can't prove Jesus is Messiah, if He didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecy. According to you guys it is still unknown if He is Messiah or not, since "He is still working on fulfilling Prophecy". I don't know if you realize, to say that Jesus didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecies, is to say that Jesus is not Messiah. Because Messiah fulfills all Messianic Prophecies.

Now, the second coming is after the seventy weeks, after all Prophecy is sealed, and after the covenant is confirmed. After Messiah is confirmed, He comes to judge as King those who reject Messiah. Messiah had to be confirmed and fulfilled first in order for Messiah to have legal basis against those who reject Him, because after all Prophecy is sealed, those who reject Messiah are without excuse, since all Prophecy was fulfilled and the covenant confirmed.

Matthew 26:28. A BLOOD COVENANT made with MANY for the REMISSION OF SINS.

 

[Aaron56]

those who reject Messiah are without excuse, since all Prophecy was fulfilled and the covenant confirmed.

Actually, those "without excuse" have been on the earth since the beginning of man.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

My sense is we are all about to agree on several important points.

 

[DanielLL]

Matthew 26:28

Fulfilled during the 70th week, what is your point?

Actually, those "without excuse" have been on the earth since the beginning of man.

Yes, but we are talking about Messiah, not the Father. Don't bring up a verse talking about the Father before Messiah, we live after Messiah, now who rejects Messiah rejects the Father also.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Fulfilled during the 70th week, what is your point?

If it was already fulfilled, then there wouldn't be a 7-year tribulation. This "70th week in the future" is the only basis for the idea of a 7-year tribulation.

 

[pottersclay]

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So, how can you know Jesus was Messiah, if He didn't "seal up the vision and prophecy"? Which ones of these are yet to be fulfilled?
You realize you can't prove Jesus is Messiah, if He didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecy. According to you guys it is still unknown if He is Messiah or not, since "He is still working on fulfilling Prophecy". I don't know if you realize, to say that Jesus didn't fulfill all Messianic Prophecies, is to say that Jesus is not Messiah. Because Messiah fulfills all Messianic Prophecies.

Now, the second coming is after the seventy weeks, after all Prophecy is sealed, and after the covenant is confirmed. After Messiah is confirmed, He comes to judge as King those who reject Messiah. Messiah had to be confirmed and fulfilled first in order for Messiah to have legal basis against those who reject Him, because after all Prophecy is sealed, those who reject Messiah are without excuse, since all Prophecy was fulfilled and the covenant confirmed.

Was he not born, lived,and died according to the scriptures? Did he not rise upon the third day? Did he not bring sight to the blind? Has not the lame walked? The dead rise the leper healed?
Did he not offer himself upon the appointed day not for himself but for those who believe?
Saint i dont have to prove jesus or God for that matter that work has been done. According to the Holyone of Israel.
Did he not say he would return?
Jesus said i have not come to destroy but to fulfill if he had fulfilled all why are we having this conversation?
Are we in heaven right now? Is this a bad dream and we will wake up soon?
Has the father made the enimies of the Christ his footstool?
I suggest a study of the feast days that are Gods and his alone.

 

[Aaron56]

Fulfilled during the 70th week, what is your point?


Yes, but we are talking about Messiah, not the Father. Don't bring up a verse talking about the Father before Messiah, we live after Messiah, now who rejects Messiah rejects the Father also.

The invisible attributes seen in the creation all point to the Son through whom all things were made. The Son is the exact representation of the Father. This is elementary. You're straining a gnat to swallow a camel.

 

[pottersclay]

 

[DanielLL]

If it was already fulfilled, then there wouldn't be a 7-year tribulation

If it was already fulfilled, there was a Great Tribulation when the Romans destroyed the sanctuary. After the 70th week.

Did he not say he would return?

Did He say when He would return?

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you believe the Word, you believe He already returned.

You're straining a gnat to swallow a camel.

So, according to you, one could just look at the sky and know Jesus is Messiah, why would He come to fulfill the law and the Prophets?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

If it was already fulfilled, there was a Great Tribulation when the Romans destroyed the sanctuary. After the 70th week.

There will be a Great Tribulation, but only 3.5 years, not 7.

 

[Marilyn]

I think the Day of the Lord and the Day of God are the same, before that are TWO DAYS of church age, which are 41 jubilee cycles of 2009 years, also representing 41 weeks of gestation in that "birth pang" analogy. Right now we're in the last jubilee cycle, the Day of the Lord is the day of atonement, right after that is a jubilee year and the first year of the millennial kingdom. This stuff is nothing new.

Yes God has specific times for the fulfillment of those feasts for Israel. We know that the Day of Atonement was Israel`s most Holy Day when they confessed the nation`s sins, and asked for forgiveness and cleansing.

The fulfillment of that is recorded in God`s word.

`It will be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; THEY WILL MOURN for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born.

In the day there shall be a GREAT MOURNING IN JERUSALEM...` (Zech. 12: 9 - 11)

 

[DanielLL]

There will be a Great Tribulation, but only 3.5 years, not 7.

The Great Tribulation was before His return:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you believe His word, then you believe He already returned, within that generation, and the Tribulation had to already have happened before is return.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The Great Tribulation was before His return:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you believe His word, then you believe He already returned, within that generation, and the Tribulation had to already have happened before is return.

Till the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, and till the gospel is preached to all nations on earth, man. In the last verse of Matthew, Jesus gave the Great Commission, but it had hardly even started till the era of geographic discovery in the 1700s or so; then there was the invention of Internet, social media, Bible app, livestream worship, etc., those are all milestones that give the gospel wings to reach to a global mission field, and those have only appeared in recent years.

 

[pottersclay]

The Great Tribulation was before His return:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you believe His word, then you believe He already returned, within that generation, and the Tribulation had to already have happened before is return.

Saint what you missed in matt 24:34 is jesus was talking about the generation that sees the fig tree blossom . Back up a couple vrs.

No one but the father knows the hour ....that is typical of Galilean jewish custom. The father of the groom says when the marriage ceremony is to be.

 

[DanielLL]

the gospel is preached to all nations on earth

The Gospel had to be spread to all nations within that generation.

the generation that sees the fig tree blossom

No, He meant what He said, those "standing here", the fig tree generation had to be them "standing here".
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.