Grace through faith AND the law dont mix?
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Salvation is a free gift, We can't work or keep the law to be saved. But just because we have a free gift that makes us righteous before God, (saved). Do we then throw away the Law and make it void. Is the law gone because Jesus kept it perfectly? No we are just freed from the penalty of the law. We can still obey it because we Love Jesus.
If the Law is void, not standing today. What is condemning us as sinners?
If the Law is void, not standing today. What is condemning us as sinners?
Exactly! Nothing is condemning us as sinners because our faith is in the One who paid the penalty for our sins! There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. By walking as he walked and being lead by the Holy Spirit, we will not be sowing to the sinful nature. But, if we sin and we confess or sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. But we are not saved by keeping the law!
Of course the law condemned us before we were saved, but that is not what we are taking about. We are talking about how we are saved, which is not by the works of the law, but by continuing in faith in Christ. In other words, salvation for believers is not obtained by the keeping of the ten commandments, or by keeping the Sabbath on Saturday or by abstaining from certain foods, etc. We receive salvation by believing in the One who provided salvation for us and by continuing in that faith. When we do good works it is not to obtain salvation, but to glorify God and by doing so we also build up our treasures in heaven.
If you are not under the Law, you can't be classed as a sinner.
We are under the law until Jesus covers us with His blood, At the point you accept His Free Gift the law has no power over you. So do we than make the Law void and continue in sin that Grace may abound? Do we use the free gift as an excuse to murder and steel? Because Jesus has paid the price of my transgression it doesn't allow me to transgress the law wilfully and on purpose. If you love Me keep my commandments.
We are under the law until Jesus covers us with His blood, At the point you accept His Free Gift the law has no power over you. So do we than make the Law void and continue in sin that Grace may abound? Do we use the free gift as an excuse to murder and steel? Because Jesus has paid the price of my transgression it doesn't allow me to transgress the law wilfully and on purpose. If you love Me keep my commandments.
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I was raised on the KJV and we used a Scoifield Bible and a Thomson Chain Reference Bible. I never questioned Rom.8:1 until just a few years ago. The reason I know there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (period) is because we are instructed to compare scripture with scripture and to rightly divide the Word of Truth. There are no contradictions coming from the Bible. It's our understanding that is lacking. The love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts. The Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are the sons of God. These things are written that we would know we have eternal life. Jesus doesn't want us to have any doubt about the love and full acceptance God has for us. It is our security and our joy.
In the Bible it says constantly we are forgiven and accepted because of Jesus. God sees us as being IN Christ. Rom.8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
The enemy wants us to believe God is against us just like he did Adam and Eve. Even though He so loved the world He gave His only Son so we could be redeemed. The lie about God being for us only when we perform well is one that has been spun for thousands of years. Don't believe it. Grace is unmerited favor. Unearned love and favor. You don't perform good enough so you can get God's love. He gives it as a gift in Christ. We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Believing God loves us is a major step in spiritual maturity.
If you are in Christ you are no longer condemned. God sees His Son's finished work when He sees us and our sins are forgotten and taken away as far as the east is from the west. In the face of grace and what that means, how can God's love and acceptance be conditional? It can't and so there is NO condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. (period) And that is good news!
The Bible teaches that salvation is a free gift. It cant be earned. But Jesus said Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Souls and mind and love your neighbour as yourself. In order to do these things we still need to pay attention to the
moral aspects of the Law otherwise how can we have a relationship with God? About seventy five percent of the bible consists of the Old Testament. This was the Bible of Jesus and the Disciples, and yet some seem to think they can just ignore it, and then wonder why they can,t understand the New Testament Scriptures.
moral aspects of the Law otherwise how can we have a relationship with God? About seventy five percent of the bible consists of the Old Testament. This was the Bible of Jesus and the Disciples, and yet some seem to think they can just ignore it, and then wonder why they can,t understand the New Testament Scriptures.
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good question.
Is it done by us making choices and working hard.
or is it done by God molding, chipping away at us nd pruning us to the person he wants us to be.
if it is the first, Done by self, Then yess it is a work, we get the credit.
If it is the second, I is not a work, It is Gods work in us. All we did was have faith and allow God to work in us.
E
I hear this alot. but how do we get this view? most new testment writtings were already called scripture in all the churches, and known by all people at the writting of some letters.. I think people forget most letters may be addressed to one church, but it was sent to all of them at the time of writting..
One big change that happens when we come to Jesus is that He imparts a new Spirit within. This is our new creature-hood. This is the light in which we must view Romans 7 and 8. Paul finally comes to the realization that He has a new Want-To-Please-Jesus attitude instead of an attitude that wants to rebel against the Lordship of Jesus.
Romans 8:1 tells us that the Old Law no longer has its damning power over us. It also explains that we want to serve the new Spirit within rather than the old one now. It doesn't mean that we will never err or falter. It just means that we have a new want-to attitude within and we choose to walk after it rather than walk like we once did.
Romans 8:1 tells us that the Old Law no longer has its damning power over us. It also explains that we want to serve the new Spirit within rather than the old one now. It doesn't mean that we will never err or falter. It just means that we have a new want-to attitude within and we choose to walk after it rather than walk like we once did.
I agree . I am not yet born again
I know what the “many” claim about being born again. Is what they claim scriptural? According to scripture being "born again" happens when we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Thats when our corruptible puts on the incorruptible. This only makes sense because we are givin new bodies before entering the kingdom
PHIL.3 [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:[21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Alls ya really gotta do is read 1Peter1{23} and 1Cor.15{53} and youll understand what it means to be “born again”
I know what the “many” claim about being born again. Is what they claim scriptural? According to scripture being "born again" happens when we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Thats when our corruptible puts on the incorruptible. This only makes sense because we are givin new bodies before entering the kingdom
PHIL.3 [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:[21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Alls ya really gotta do is read 1Peter1{23} and 1Cor.15{53} and youll understand what it means to be “born again”