Grappling With Why God Allows Evil To Continue
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So if you hear what he tells you, then what would you say is the truth to somebody like myself who in darkness?
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God then who made the hearing ear, and the seeing eye (See Proverbs 20:12) if we are saved by hope in hearing the voice of the Son of God then howbeit hope that is seen is not hope? (John 5:25)
Deut 30:19-20
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God then who made the hearing ear, and the seeing eye (See Proverbs 20:12) if we are saved by hope in hearing the voice of the Son of God then howbeit hope that is seen is not hope? (John 5:25)
Deut 30:19-20
Zmouth,
I don't understand your first question.
But as for the idea of being saved by hope, and how is it hope if it is seen...:
1. I was saved (saved from ignorance) by hope. Hope = confident assurance of an expected end.
2. My hope was OF something unseen (the answer to my question) and IN someone unseen (God).
3. My hope was based in faith (faith that God would keep his word...Matthew_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. )
4. My faith was a living faith (faith mixed with the work or works) not a dead faith (faith without works) and the work needed in this case was clearly dictated by the promise "ASK and ye shall receive"
5. In some ways it's not rocket science. I kept my end of the equation and God kept his.
6. Result = I received "the substance of the thing I hoped for, and the evidence of the things unseen" (see Hebrews 11:1)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I don't understand your first question.
But as for the idea of being saved by hope, and how is it hope if it is seen...:
1. I was saved (saved from ignorance) by hope. Hope = confident assurance of an expected end.
2. My hope was OF something unseen (the answer to my question) and IN someone unseen (God).
3. My hope was based in faith (faith that God would keep his word...Matthew_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. )
4. My faith was a living faith (faith mixed with the work or works) not a dead faith (faith without works) and the work needed in this case was clearly dictated by the promise "ASK and ye shall receive"
5. In some ways it's not rocket science. I kept my end of the equation and God kept his.
6. Result = I received "the substance of the thing I hoped for, and the evidence of the things unseen" (see Hebrews 11:1)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Zmouth,
I don't understand your first question.
But as for the idea of being saved by hope, and how is it hope if it is seen...:
1. I was saved (saved from ignorance) by hope. Hope = confident assurance of an expected end.
2. My hope was OF something unseen (the answer to my question) and IN someone unseen (God).
3. My hope was based in faith (faith that God would keep his word...Matthew_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. )
4. My faith was a living faith (faith mixed with the work or works) not a dead faith (faith without works) and the work needed in this case was clearly dictated by the promise "ASK and ye shall receive"
5. In some ways it's not rocket science. I kept my end of the equation and God kept his.
6. Result = I received "the substance of the thing I hoped for, and the evidence of the things unseen" (see Hebrews 11:1)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I don't understand your first question.
But as for the idea of being saved by hope, and how is it hope if it is seen...:
1. I was saved (saved from ignorance) by hope. Hope = confident assurance of an expected end.
2. My hope was OF something unseen (the answer to my question) and IN someone unseen (God).
3. My hope was based in faith (faith that God would keep his word...Matthew_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. )
4. My faith was a living faith (faith mixed with the work or works) not a dead faith (faith without works) and the work needed in this case was clearly dictated by the promise "ASK and ye shall receive"
5. In some ways it's not rocket science. I kept my end of the equation and God kept his.
6. Result = I received "the substance of the thing I hoped for, and the evidence of the things unseen" (see Hebrews 11:1)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Seeing Adam and Eve were created from Matter and were themselves Matter how could they do other than respond to 'material desires ?
Having 'been told to obey Gen 2v16,17, did not register in their physical/human mind/brain which was up to the point of 'literal obedience'' their priority. ''Knowing'' something is not the same as ''Doing it....and this still is in evidence today, hence Jas 1v22 - to be DOERS of the word. (sorry to digress from the OP).
Having 'been told to obey Gen 2v16,17, did not register in their physical/human mind/brain which was up to the point of 'literal obedience'' their priority. ''Knowing'' something is not the same as ''Doing it....and this still is in evidence today, hence Jas 1v22 - to be DOERS of the word. (sorry to digress from the OP).
They had this 'tendency to respond to their natural/physical/material composition that also included their human brain/mind. IT was all they had in a strong literal presence....a mind NOT YET tuned into GOD UNTIL they 'Actually obeyed' for which they must have seen no reason being 'ignorant of the consequences.
John 1:5 5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 8:12 12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he
said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will
never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of
darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light
of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.
and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 8:12 12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he
said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will
never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of
darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light
of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, who calls “Abba! Father!” For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery leading again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba, Father.”
1John 3:2,5:1; Gal 3:26,4:6;Rom 8:14,15
1John 3:2,5:1; Gal 3:26,4:6;Rom 8:14,15
God doesn't make mistakes. Surely it was all intended, in that He knew how it would all pan out and still decided to hit "play." He did this, obviously, because it was either the only way, or the best way. Knowing His creation would fall, He conducted a plan that would reconcile them and secure them, eternally. Jesus Christ, the Messiah dying on the cross as an atonement, and resurrecting on the third day, to then be seated at the Father's right hand, and actively being our High Priest interceding on our behalf forever (eternal priesthood).
God doesn't make mistakes.
God doesn't make mistakes.
GOD did not make a mistake we did. We were made in GOD's image and likeness. We were not made to sin. This world is not as GOD intended. This world is the result of our choosing not GOD's. Because of our choices GOD had a plan in motion from the start. But GOD's intention from the beginning for mankind was to live in harmony in HIM; in love. We chose this through our own devising not GOD. This world and it's system is a result of sin not GOD's plan. HE is just working with it.