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The gospel we have received by faith is Jesus Christ and him crucified and he came to seek and saved that which is lost by giving himself a ransom. We are to believe upon the Son to have eternal life. Our righteousness comes by faith in the Son and not according to our obedience to the law. According to the scriptures we inherited the sin of Adam, we were conceived in sin, born speaking lies with a deceitful and wicked heart. When a person reaches the age of accountability, at that point they are accountable for their sifulness and what is in their conscience. They have at that point the ability to hear and understand the gospel that we have been given through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Salvation for the sinner is complete and total faith in the sacrifice and finished work of the lamb of God and justification from all sin through faith in his blood shed on the tree and through his resurrection from the dead. The sinner's act of obedience is one of faith in the cross and the act of disobedience would be to remain in unbelief. We obtain all things that pertain to salvation, justification and forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ our Lord. It is a gift of God and not obtained through any works of righteousness on our part.
Salvation for the sinner is complete and total faith in the sacrifice and finished work of the lamb of God and justification from all sin through faith in his blood shed on the tree and through his resurrection from the dead. The sinner's act of obedience is one of faith in the cross and the act of disobedience would be to remain in unbelief. We obtain all things that pertain to salvation, justification and forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ our Lord. It is a gift of God and not obtained through any works of righteousness on our part.
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In the beginning there was no sin in Adam or in his wife Eve, yet they were tempted to transgress in the garden where there was a perfect habitat. The woman was deceived by the words of the serpent and ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and gave to her husband and he also ate. When approached by God in the garden as to why they were hiding, the blame was laid bare and God responded accordingly. Neither Eve or Adam lied about the ordeal and there is no record of their repentance other than acknowledging their transgression. God covered them with the coat-skins of an animal whose blood had to be shed.
Was the woman drawn away of her own lust for that which was forbidden and enticed because of sin that was in her members? Or did she listen to a strangers voice that offered her wisdom from below getting her to perceive that which was forbidden as something she could eat and have the wisdom of God to be like God. She was corrupted from without and not from within. Her sin, as was Adam's, was a transgression but the woman was deceived (1 Tim 2:14, Rom 5:14). She and her husband had become one flesh (Gen 2:24) and sin did not enter in until Adam had eaten (Gen 3:7,8). This is the corporate sin that entered into the human race (Rom 5:12) but was not transferred to the one who was born of the virgin Mary. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit (Mt 1:18,20) unlike all other men who were shapen and conceived in sin and iniquity (Ps 51:5, Jer 17:9, Is 1:5) that was transferred from within the copulation of the man and not the ova of the woman.
There was no corporate sin or iniquity within the framework of the only begotten Son of God. God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), and for sin, condemning sin in his own flesh. The term 'in the likeness of sinful flesh' is a term of distinction that separates from actual 'sinful flesh'. As a man Jesus had the appearance and likeness of sinful flesh yet without sin. The same distinction that man can have as a 'form of godliness' or as a 'minister of righteousness'. These are only outward forms with no inward corresponding virtues. The Son of God was born in the 'likeness of sinful flesh' and lived as the Son of man that he might condemn sin in his own flesh, because the law was inadequate and powerless for that task because of 'sinful flesh' where sin resides in the members (cells) of the body of flesh. The law had no power to deal a blow of death to the power of sin that resides in the cells of the flesh of man.
Here is a footnote that should be of interest: After sin entered corporately into the human race within the flesh of man, Adam seems to have borne children with his wife Eve according to his own likeness and image. Think about what that means and how the Son of God was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
Gen 5:1-3 NASB
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
KJV This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Was the woman drawn away of her own lust for that which was forbidden and enticed because of sin that was in her members? Or did she listen to a strangers voice that offered her wisdom from below getting her to perceive that which was forbidden as something she could eat and have the wisdom of God to be like God. She was corrupted from without and not from within. Her sin, as was Adam's, was a transgression but the woman was deceived (1 Tim 2:14, Rom 5:14). She and her husband had become one flesh (Gen 2:24) and sin did not enter in until Adam had eaten (Gen 3:7,8). This is the corporate sin that entered into the human race (Rom 5:12) but was not transferred to the one who was born of the virgin Mary. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit (Mt 1:18,20) unlike all other men who were shapen and conceived in sin and iniquity (Ps 51:5, Jer 17:9, Is 1:5) that was transferred from within the copulation of the man and not the ova of the woman.
There was no corporate sin or iniquity within the framework of the only begotten Son of God. God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), and for sin, condemning sin in his own flesh. The term 'in the likeness of sinful flesh' is a term of distinction that separates from actual 'sinful flesh'. As a man Jesus had the appearance and likeness of sinful flesh yet without sin. The same distinction that man can have as a 'form of godliness' or as a 'minister of righteousness'. These are only outward forms with no inward corresponding virtues. The Son of God was born in the 'likeness of sinful flesh' and lived as the Son of man that he might condemn sin in his own flesh, because the law was inadequate and powerless for that task because of 'sinful flesh' where sin resides in the members (cells) of the body of flesh. The law had no power to deal a blow of death to the power of sin that resides in the cells of the flesh of man.
Here is a footnote that should be of interest: After sin entered corporately into the human race within the flesh of man, Adam seems to have borne children with his wife Eve according to his own likeness and image. Think about what that means and how the Son of God was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
Gen 5:1-3 NASB
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
KJV This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
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No..(im not Jesus nither are you). did you not read my post? The true intended nature of man is not to be bound with sin in the flesh... Just like Jesus who was the Word become flesh... That flesh being without sin... "who knew no sin" do you think if Christ had sin in the flesh that he would not know it?
Do you even know what "sin in the flesh" (iniquity) is? Paul also calls it "the law of sin".
The primary meaning of iniquity is not an act but a condition. As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning, and which makes us slaves to sin [Romans 3:9-12; 7:14].
The primary meaning of iniquity is not an act but a condition. As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning, and which makes us slaves to sin [Romans 3:9-12; 7:14].
This is pure, unadulterated, Catholic doctrine. They call it the immaculate conception.
1] This "corporate sin" is not Adam's sin when he disobeyed God in the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam's children cannot legally be charged with that transgression because none of us ate that fruit. So we are not born guilty of Adam's sin. This is the heresy of "original sin", which should be called "original guilt".
2] You state that this "corporate sin" was not transferred to the virgin Mary. Again, transgression can't be transferred to another person. Read the following:
Ez 18:18 "The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child."
What was transferred to all of us, including Christ as the son of man, was Adam's bent-to-self or iniquity. Hence Christ had to contend with our bent, but in His case He never transgressed. Therefore where we failed, He obtained victory. He rewrote our history from condemnation to justification of life.
1] This "corporate sin" is not Adam's sin when he disobeyed God in the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam's children cannot legally be charged with that transgression because none of us ate that fruit. So we are not born guilty of Adam's sin. This is the heresy of "original sin", which should be called "original guilt".
2] You state that this "corporate sin" was not transferred to the virgin Mary. Again, transgression can't be transferred to another person. Read the following:
Ez 18:18 "The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child."
What was transferred to all of us, including Christ as the son of man, was Adam's bent-to-self or iniquity. Hence Christ had to contend with our bent, but in His case He never transgressed. Therefore where we failed, He obtained victory. He rewrote our history from condemnation to justification of life.
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It was not stated that 'corporate sin' had not been transferred to the virgin Mary. She was a woman, a virgin and a sinner. The sin of Adam was transferred to her through her earthly father as is the case with all men and woman. The immaculate conception was that Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and we were not. The 'corporate sin' of Adam or 'original sin' was transferred to the human race through male copulation. We have our beginnings in sin and iniquity and you refuse to believe it.
I can show that we are born speaking lies from the womb (this is only a reference point) and you will not hear of it. An infant has an innate ability to lie, manipulate and deceive their parents without being taught. They are not forming intelligible words to be understood but they do communicate and speak to us in their own infantile way. They are not aware of it in their conscience as to what they are doing, but they do it non-the-less. A child takes things that do not belong to them and somehow they know it is wrong and they will even hide it so they will not be found out. Parents don't teach them these things they have this innate nature within that simply does it. What we have to teach them is to be honest and truthful and to not take what does not belong to them. This all happens way before the age of accountability, just ask some mothers who have raised them.
Young children, unfortunately, can also get involved with imaginations that cause fear, insecurity and behavior patterns that leads them astray early in life. These need to be corrected and structured through love and much instructions with lots of patience and guidance. This happens to them all on their own before any age of accountability. They internalize things that they perceive with their undeveloped conscience and they act upon it without the slightest resistance or inhibition. They need to be nurtured and lovingly corrected when these things take place in their life. They need to be taught and have good impressions make on their delicate conscience throughout their childhood how to relate to others in their family and to their neighbors and friends they come to have.
You can take a young child between 2-3 yrs and put them with others their age and see a basketful of issues that exist between them competitively, you can see various forms of outbursts that range from being possessive because of what others have to even the food they eat, and when confronted they can pull a tantrum and show you just how unhappy they are with how they are being treated and not getting what they want. If you asked them who started it they would lie and point to the other and never themselves. These are inner issues of the heart that control their behavior. Jealousy is not learned, it is innate and some children are more jealous then others and it shows outwardly way before the age of accountability. These are a few things that can be observed early in childhood that happen from the womb.
I can show that we are born speaking lies from the womb (this is only a reference point) and you will not hear of it. An infant has an innate ability to lie, manipulate and deceive their parents without being taught. They are not forming intelligible words to be understood but they do communicate and speak to us in their own infantile way. They are not aware of it in their conscience as to what they are doing, but they do it non-the-less. A child takes things that do not belong to them and somehow they know it is wrong and they will even hide it so they will not be found out. Parents don't teach them these things they have this innate nature within that simply does it. What we have to teach them is to be honest and truthful and to not take what does not belong to them. This all happens way before the age of accountability, just ask some mothers who have raised them.
Young children, unfortunately, can also get involved with imaginations that cause fear, insecurity and behavior patterns that leads them astray early in life. These need to be corrected and structured through love and much instructions with lots of patience and guidance. This happens to them all on their own before any age of accountability. They internalize things that they perceive with their undeveloped conscience and they act upon it without the slightest resistance or inhibition. They need to be nurtured and lovingly corrected when these things take place in their life. They need to be taught and have good impressions make on their delicate conscience throughout their childhood how to relate to others in their family and to their neighbors and friends they come to have.
You can take a young child between 2-3 yrs and put them with others their age and see a basketful of issues that exist between them competitively, you can see various forms of outbursts that range from being possessive because of what others have to even the food they eat, and when confronted they can pull a tantrum and show you just how unhappy they are with how they are being treated and not getting what they want. If you asked them who started it they would lie and point to the other and never themselves. These are inner issues of the heart that control their behavior. Jealousy is not learned, it is innate and some children are more jealous then others and it shows outwardly way before the age of accountability. These are a few things that can be observed early in childhood that happen from the womb.
You too are nothing more than a Catholic apologist!
The difference between Christ ("according to the seed of Abraham" see Gal 3:16) and us is that Christ was conceived with the Holy Spirit. That simply means He was born spiritually alive. His mind was never a slave to "sin in the flesh", yet He was tempted in all points, JUST AS WE ARE, yet without transgression (sin).
Here's how we are born:
Eph 2:3 "....we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. "
So we were born without God's Spirit and therefore "the desires of the flesh" and "the mind" were in harmony. Hence we were born slaves to sin, speaking lies.
The difference between Christ ("according to the seed of Abraham" see Gal 3:16) and us is that Christ was conceived with the Holy Spirit. That simply means He was born spiritually alive. His mind was never a slave to "sin in the flesh", yet He was tempted in all points, JUST AS WE ARE, yet without transgression (sin).
Here's how we are born:
Eph 2:3 "....we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. "
So we were born without God's Spirit and therefore "the desires of the flesh" and "the mind" were in harmony. Hence we were born slaves to sin, speaking lies.
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