How can you really really really know you are saved?

[Depleted]

Then can you explain why many who are assured are also wrong?

Okay, but this is going to sound weird, since you don't know me yet. (When you know me, you just accept I'm weird and go with it. )

It's August. Football season starts in two weekends. Real football season.

You're from Louisiana? Is this the year the Saints win the Super Bowl?

If you're a fan, part of you "knew" YES! and part of you knew reality. (It's possible. It's not likely.)

I know this as an Eagles fan. 33 out of 37 seasons, I was sure they would win the Super Bowl that year! I "knew" it."

But, I didn't really know it at all. I hoped it! I hoped it with all my heart.

Sometimes hope feels like know. That's called "blind faith." It's based on nothing less than feeling, which, as a foundation, makes a feather look sturdier.

Real faith is when you've seen it over and over again, and know it happens like that each and every time no matter what.

Now, how many things do you have real faith for? I can go with it will be colder in winter than summer around here. (Blind faith keeps telling me it will be a mild winter with no more than 3 inches of snow all winter. lol) I can go with the sun will rise every morning and set every evening. But, honestly, not a big list of guaranteed each and every time to work with.

There is one whopper of a big real faith those. There is God. AND if he promises us something, he always always always (my version of really really really lol) keeps his promise.

He promised a big one. He promised all the Father gives him he will keep.

He has kept me. Even when I tried to run away, he kept me. Even when I told him I hated him, he kept me. Weirder yet, he loves me.

Do I deserve salvation? Nope! He gave it anyway, and he promised he won't take it back.

My husband loves me very much. He makes it a point to keep his promises to me and he does a great job doing that too. He hasn't hit perfection. God has never been below perfection on keeping his.

This I know. And I know because God gave me this know too.

(Hasn't said a thing about Eagles winning the Super Bowl. Meh! I really would like to see the Eagles win one Super Bowl before I die, but compared to what the Lord has given me, it isn't that important.)

 

[Bogadile]

Am I muted on here or just ignored?

Let me try to put my message in quotes to confirm:

DJ2 I and others have given you answers, both of our personal testimonies and experiences and Scriptures.
What do you have to contribute? Are you simply denying all that we are saying because you believe we cannot know if we are saved?
If you have already said so I just missed it, forgive me.

I guess my question to you is: Are you saying we cannot know if we are saved? Y/N?

 

[Depleted]

If I did not write it and you did not write it what is the

"Bullseye" about?

What Jesus said. You really have to learn to sit back and read what others say before forming your response. You are so busy thinking "your wrong" even before reading the first word of what people are writing, you never get to see what they actually wrote to figure out if they really are wrong. I give you, sometimes people are wrong, but first you have to read (or hear) what they're saying, before deciding.

Assume someone is right first. Read, and if you have any evidence you assumed wrong, go from there. Much fairer than what you've been doing on this thread since OP.

 

[Depleted]

I am a honest man seeking the truth. Are you?

I am also a man who knows the difference between a leading question and a open question.

Honest people looking for answers check out answers before assuming the answer is wrong. I've yet to see any evidence you're truly seeking.

And because of that, I really suspect you're doing the same thing you're scolding about now. (Not enough evidence, but I'm at the end of the rope by now.)

 

[Depleted]

Oh, I get it now! Jesus. Your answers reminds me of the replies we would get from preschool children in bible class. Every answer was Jesus.

Who was the husband of Mary? JESUS!!
What is the first book of the Bible? JESUS!!
What is your favorite color? JESUS!!

They were cute from a 5 year old but.....

Funny, considering I have already checked out if you even consider yourself a Christian yet, and keep rereading your age. Was the 2 a mistake added after the 5? The difference. I don't think it's cute.

What have you learned on this site in the last few months? Arguing is fun?

 

[Depleted]

Luke 16:18 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Maybe we can all learn something from these children.

 

[Depleted]

Am I muted on here or just ignored?

Let me try to put my message in quotes to confirm:

Actually, I think he considers you no fun to argue with.

One of two ways to take that:
1. Be glad.
2. Try harder.

lol

 

[DJ2]

Speaking of works-based theology. According to the Mormon gospel, in 2 Nephi 25:23 in the book of Mormon, we read - "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." In other words, "do all you can or else the Lord will not be able to save you."

*IN CONTRAST, in Ephesians 2:8-9 in the Bible, we read - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

*IN CONTRAST in Hebrews 12:1 in the Bible, we read - Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses let us throw off everything that hinders us and the sin that so entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

Get your head out of the Book of Mormon.

 

[posthuman]

If I did not write it and you did not write it what is the

"Bullseye" about?

Salvation - whether it can be either attained or trusted - is impossible without God. No matter how 'good' man's 'best' may be, whether it's our effort to either achieve it or find assurance of it, unless the Lord builds the house, it cannot stand

 

[mailmandan]

*IN CONTRAST in Hebrews 12:1 in the Bible, we read - Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses let us throw off everything that hinders us and the sin that so entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

Get your head out of the Book of Mormon.

My head is not in the Book of Mormon, but I've had Mormons quote that verse to me in an effort to support their Mormon gospel of works salvation.

Hebrews 12:1 is not in contradiction to Ephesians 2:8-9. In the very next verse, we see that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. The race is not about earning or maintaining salvation by works. We see in Hebrews chapter 12 that God chastens his sons and those who are without chastening are illegitimate and not sons (vs. 6-8). We also see in verse 15 that there are those who fall short/come short/fail to obtain the grace of God.

 

[notuptome]

I am a honest man seeking the truth. Are you?

I am also a man who knows the difference between a leading question and a open question.

You seem quite adept at being evasive.

Are you asking a leading question to find the truth or to disguise the truth?

A long time ago I heard and old evangelist say that some things are better felt than telt. So it is with one's experience of salvation under the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DJ2]

My head is not in the Book of Mormon, but I've had Mormons quote that verse to me in an effort to support their Mormon gospel of works salvation.

Hebrews 12:1 is not in contradiction to Ephesians 2:8-9. In the very next verse, we see that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. The race is not about earning or maintaining salvation by works. We see in Hebrews chapter 12 that God chastens his sons and those who are without chastening are illegitimate and not sons (vs. 6-8). We also see in verse 15 that there are those who fall short/come short/fail to obtain the grace of God.

Jesus most certainly is the author and finisher of our faith but it is us who are charged with running the race. Read the verse again.

Anyone who would shoe-horn a BofM verse into this thread has got to have a little Mormon in them.

 

[DJ2]

You seem quite adept at being evasive.

Are you asking a leading question to find the truth or to disguise the truth?

A long time ago I heard and old evangelist say that some things are better felt than telt. So it is with one's experience of salvation under the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You offer a question that is clearly a false dichotomy and offer advice like "better felt than telt".

And I am the one being evasive?

I too have heard of "better felt than telt". Its used by those who have nothing left to offer but feelings.

 

[tourist]

Funny, considering I have already checked out if you even consider yourself a Christian yet, and keep rereading your age. Was the 2 a mistake added after the 5? The difference. I don't think it's cute.

What have you learned on this site in the last few months? Arguing is fun?

Arguing seems to be his sole purpose.

 

[DJ2]

Am I muted on here or just ignored?

Let me try to put my message in quotes to confirm:

The question is if we can be assured of our salvation, how will we know? Most are just repeating the same mantra. "Yes, because the Bible said so!"

That answers if but not how.

I know the scriptures that say yes we can have assurance but where are the scriptures that say how we are to know?

 

[DJ2]

Arguing seems to be his sole purpose.

My purpose here is to share and learn not argue.

My question may be simple to understand but hard to answer.

People will always label those who they cannot properly answer as a arguer.

If you cannot answer the question either ignore the question or learn from others who do .

 

[Bogadile]

The question is if we can be assured of our salvation, how will we know? Most are just repeating the same mantra. "Yes, because the Bible said so!"

That answers if but not how.

I know the scriptures that say yes we can have assurance but where are the scriptures that say how we are to know?

I think many have answered how.

John's epistles are filled with hows.

1 John 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

1 John 3:23-24 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

There are honestly too many to even post. It is everywhere.

I would be terrified right now if I did not have any assurance of salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus most certainly is the author and finisher of our faith but it is us who are charged with running the race. Read the verse again.

Anyone who would shoe-horn a BofM verse into this thread has got to have a little Mormon in them.

LOL! Not at all. You are getting very comfortable with making straw man arguments.

 

[Limey410v2]

I see it this way, they are one and the same, as in they occur at the same time, We are saved because we are forgiven.

The penalty of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life in Christ

Once sin is forgiven, the penalty is removed.

Forgiveness for all was a one time occurrence on the cross. We had zero choice in that event, He did it whether we wanted Him to or not.
Our willingness to look on that event, believe it for what it was and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as a result of it, is how we are saved. Resurrected.
All are forgiven, only those that choose to believe we need to be forgiven, beleive that it was indeed Him that forgave us and then receive Him into our lives are saved.

 

[heartofdavid]

if your faith is in Jesus Christ not your performance

and instead of wishing to feed your fleshly desires
you wish to be delivered from them

and you see the works of the Holy spirit ACTUALLY working in you

id say its time to start being thankful

and show your Father in heaven your appreciation for the gifts you recieved but didnt deserve

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


maybe we will always have room to grow

and learn things we got wrong the first or second time around


but i would say the truth of scripture as a whole is pretty easy to "get"

even if our less than perfect minds get some things incorrect

Nicely put young man.

It is a relationship. An intimate relationship.

Walking WITH him ,Talking WITH Him. Not just to Him,or at Him. Spending time with Him and then,when we fail Him,it is heartbreaking. Then the joy at restored favor and His presence. Heaven becomes an extension of what we have here.

I know Him personally.

He does things for me as a friend.

A couple of times I asked for some help,I said " Lord,I am asking this as a friend". He graciously gave me my miracle.

I have no doubt I am saved. Saved is a doorway to Jesus. Not and end through a means