How To Be Un-Saved

[UnderGrace]

You do know that anti-christ means in place of or instead of


It is not about denying Jesus.

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"​

As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"

So don't be an anti-christ........don't deny Christ, keep believing:


"the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son."-1 John 5:10

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."-1 John 2:22

"If we deny Him, He also will deny us;"-2 Timothy 2:12


So don't be an anti-christ, like those who are not in the truth in 1 John 2:19. Instead, continue in the truth you have because if you do you will continue in the Son and the Father.


"they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us."-1 John 2:19

"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father."-1 John 2:24

 

[DJ2]

I hope it does. And I ghope you find joy in whatever you get.

Me. I am already ribch

I have been blessed with EVERY spiritual blessing in Christ jesus
I have been given the right to become his child based on my faith
I have been redeemed by his blood
I have been justified freely by his sacrifice
I have been perfected forever. And am in the process of being sanctified
I have been given eternal life
I have been assured my father will never leave me, and if I stray, he will leave the flock to come get me, ane when he comes, i will follow
I have been given the pledge of the spirit as a guarantee
I have been made alive in Christ
I have been baptised into his body, his church and the cross
My savior is in heaven now making a mansion where I will live for eternity
I have the hope that surpasses all understanding
I have been given rest, a rest which can nto come from anyone but God
I have been told I will never die, I will live forever, and given Gods assurance, he will raise me from the dead.
I have had everything that is against me, contrary to me, and would condem me nailed to the cross
I have come to a point where even the greatest suffering is abe to become just a momentary light affliction
I have been united with the father the son and the spirit
I have been given a father who is not a spirit of fear. But an Abba Father
I have been told God has many gifts awating for me in heaven.
I have been told I will have reward in heaven
I have been given so much, nothign on this earth even compairs and I have only begum to list the riches I have and will continue to have in christ


You want to be rich, Go ahead and try to earn your riches. Me, I have everything a person needs, and been blessed beyond comprehension. And you know what is even better? God said NO ONE, and he means NO ONE can take that away from me.

Your words reek of arrogance. Better to take a humble approach and a lower seat (Luke 14:8-11) then to speak in such a presumptuous matter. Even Jesus said "Why do you call Me good?"

Your OSAS has made you prideful and blind.

[h=1]Proverbs 16:18 New English Translation (NET Bible)[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]18 Pride goes before destruction,
and a haughty spirit before a fall[/FONT]
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[Ralph-]

You do know that anti-christ means in place of or instead of


It is not about denying Jesus.

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"​

As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"

"now many antichrists have appeared"-1 John 2:18
This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."-1 John 2:22

In verse 22 above, being an anti-christ is exactly about denying Christ. Look it up for yourself here:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G720&t=KJV


According to Strong's, 'denies' means exactly that in the verse above. And John says the person who denies the Father and the Son is an anti-christ. Obviously, THE anti-christ that is coming (see all of vs.18) will also be in denial of the Father and the Son.

 

[Katy-follower]

don't deny Christ, keep believing:

"the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son."-1 John 5:10

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."-1 John 2:22

"If we deny Him, He also will deny us;"-2 Timothy 2:12

So don't be an anti-christ, like those who are not in the truth in 1 John 2:19. Instead, continue in the truth you have because if you do you will continue in the Son and the Father.

"they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us."-1 John 2:19

It all comes down to which side you're on...

You're either born of God, or you're not.

If you're not in God's family then you're lost in the world, and the devil is your father (Matthew 13:38, 1 John 3:10-12).

Once you're born of the Spirit you're no longer an enemy, and you can no longer be lost. You've crossed over from death to life. It's lost & found... not found & lost

Within the church congregations you have the true believers and also those who profess to be christians, but there's been no inner change. While outwardly they play the part, the inside of the cup is not clean.

The ones that come out from among us are those who never had the true faith. They are of the world, not of God. They're not of us, evidenced by the fact that they leave, is what we're told.

 

[Katy-follower]

1 Peter 1:3-12:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into"

 

[LightLoveHope]

"now many antichrists have appeared"-1 John 2:18
This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."-1 John 2:22

In verse 22 above, being an anti-christ is exactly about denying Christ. Look it up for yourself here:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G720&t=KJV


According to Strong's, 'denies' means exactly that in the verse above. And John says the person who denies the Father and the Son is an anti-christ. Obviously, THE anti-christ that is coming (see all of vs.18) will also be in denial of the Father and the Son.

Those who reject Christs words are anti-Christ.

To accept Jesus as Lord and Savior is to accept all His words, no matter how difficult.
The question is how to interpret them, and let them dwell in our hearts as a source of
life and love, Amen.

 

[LightLoveHope]

It all comes down to which side you're on...

You're either born of God, or you're not.

If you're not in God's family then you're lost in the world, and the devil is your father (Matthew 13:38, 1 John 3:10-12).

Once you're born of the Spirit you're no longer an enemy, and you can no longer be lost. You've crossed over from death to life. It's lost & found... not found & lost

Within the church congregations you have the true believers and also those who profess to be christians, but there's been no inner change. While outwardly they play the part, the inside of the cup is not clean.

The ones that come out from among us are those who never had the true faith. They are of the world, not of God. They're not of us, evidenced by the fact that they leave, is what we're told.

Most certainly those who oppose Christ are not of Him.

Those who claim a believer can walk in evil deeds and an impure heart are not of Christ.
Yet there are many who preach this, and refuse to confront and talk about how we live
honorable Holy lives worthy of the Lord we follow.

 

[Ralph-]

1 Peter 1:3-12:

"to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Notice Peter says we are kept by the power of God THROUGH FAITH. So don't stop believing. The power of God in the keeping of our salvation comes to us through faith.

If you stop believing you no longer have that which the power of God comes through for the keeping of salvation.


Now I suppose the argument is going to be that the believer can never stop believing. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. If you're of the 2nd type of soil in the Parable of the Sower you can fall away because the word in your heart is not deeply rooted. If you're of the 4th kind of soil the word goes down deep and is producing fruit and can withstand the storms of life in perseverance.


“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."-Luke 8:13

“But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance."-Luke 8:15


Have an honest and good heart that retains the word of God and bears fruit in perseverance. Then you will be secure and not able to be moved away from the gospel.

 

[Ralph-]

The ones that come out from among us are those who never had the true faith. They are of the world, not of God. They're not of us, evidenced by the fact that they leave, is what we're told.

If the ones who leave were never saved to begin with, why does John warn the remaining believers, who he says are saved and know the truth, to let the truth abide in them so that they will abide in the Son and the Father?


"As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide (continue) in the Son and in the Father."-1 John 2:24


See, the word has to continue to abide in you for you to continue to be saved. Paul echos this same truth in this verse:


"you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain (if Christ has not really risen from the dead your faith is in vain)."-1 Corinthians 15:2


The 2nd kind of soil believer does not retain the word. They believe, but the word is not deeply rooted in them. When trouble or temptation comes they fall away and do not continue in the Son and the Father. They will not be saved when Jesus comes back.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your words reek of arrogance. Better to take a humble approach and a lower seat (Luke 14:8-11) then to speak in such a presumptuous matter. Even Jesus said "Why do you call Me good?"

Your OSAS has made you prideful and blind.

Proverbs 16:18 New English Translation (NET Bible)

18 Pride goes before destruction,
and a haughty spirit before a fall

Dude get a life. Your the one who is arrogant and prideful. Your the one who preaches how great you have to be to get saved,

You also need to learn what the word pride means, Pride means self centered. OSAS gives GOD asll thge credit for ALL Things. All those things God said I have (notice how you did not refute one of those gift scripture says ALL of Gods children have?) where not because I earned them, Or because I did great deeds, or went out and let some man baptise me in. Water. It is because CHRIST PAID THE PENALTY I COULD NOT PAY. So I could be RESTORED to him.

John says it best. For AS MANY AS HAVE BELIEVED IN HIM, to THEM HE GAVE THE RIGHT to become children of God, EVEN TO THEM WHO BELIEVE ON HIS NAME.

Where is the pride? It says we are GIVEN this right ONLY because we trusted him and said yes lord. i want that.

Not because we got baptised in water. Went to church obeyed a bunch of commands.

But hey thats ok. You just exposed yourself. Now you can live in your hate and prideful ways.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do know that anti-christ means in place of or instead of


It is not about denying Jesus.

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"​

As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"

it depends on how it is used sis.

1 John says an anti christ is anyone who denys Christ.

If you deny Christ, you are against (hence the term anti) Christ.

 

[DJ2]

Dude get a life. Your the one who is arrogant and prideful. Your the one who preaches how great you have to be to get saved,

You also need to learn what the word pride means, Pride means self centered. OSAS gives GOD asll thge credit for ALL Things. All those things God said I have (notice how you did not refute one of those gift scripture says ALL of Gods children have?) where not because I earned them, Or because I did great deeds, or went out and let some man baptise me in. Water. It is because CHRIST PAID THE PENALTY I COULD NOT PAY. So I could be RESTORED to him.

John says it best. For AS MANY AS HAVE BELIEVED IN HIM, to THEM HE GAVE THE RIGHT to become children of God, EVEN TO THEM WHO BELIEVE ON HIS NAME.

Where is the pride? It says we are GIVEN this right ONLY because we trusted him and said yes lord. i want that.

Not because we got baptised in water. Went to church obeyed a bunch of commands.

But hey thats ok. You just exposed yourself. Now you can live in your hate and prideful ways.

I wonder if you are aware of the meaning of presumptuous?

The race is still to be run, claiming individual and personal victory is presumptuous. Victory is given to those who finish the race not to those who simply run, there is no participation prize. You like most OSAS followers see a moment of sincere saving faith as the all-encompassing concept of the gospel. It is not. The Bible cannot be condensed down to simply "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Your 37 "I or me" should be "we or us" but your pride presumes you are the we or us. OSAS can lead to false assurance. Serve God, be humble, finish the race and then enjoy the banquet. (Luke 17:7-9)

I have been given the right to become his child based on my faith

Your own words expose your haughty spirit.

 

[outlier]

I think for someone to want to be unsaved they must be insane. It's been a while since they had the death penalty for people adjudged insane in this country. And the Judge we face in the next world has perfect knowledge.

 

[outlier]

You do know that anti-christ means in place of or instead of


It is not about denying Jesus.

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"​

As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"

I thought that anti meant against. If you are right then a pinch hitter should be called an Antihitter.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder if you are aware of the meaning of presumptuous?

The race is still to be run, claiming individual and personal victory is presumptuous. Victory is given to those who finish the race not to those who simply run, there is no participation prize. You like most OSAS followers see a moment of sincere saving faith as the all-encompassing concept of the gospel. It is not. The Bible cannot be condensed down to simply "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

What I see is you could not refute ANY ot the things I said I had, which was given to me, paid for by the blood of Christ.
As for presumptuous. Your are the one who is presumptious to think you have to run the race to earn salvation. We run to earn a reward. Salvation is a gift. Your first order of business should be to understand the difference between a gift, which is paid for by the giver, and given out of love, But not forced on people. People have the right to reject it and so no thank you, and a reward or wage, which is somethign you EARN by working hard (think of an olympic athlete or a worker who is working to earn a wage from his employer)

once you figure the difference out, You MAY be able to find out the diggerence between salvation by GRACE (as taught in the word) and salvation by WORKS (which you are proposing)

Your 37 "I or me" should be "we or us" but your pride presumes you are the we or us. OSAS can lead to false assurance. Serve God, be humble, finish the race and then enjoy the banquet. (Luke 17:7-9)

Whatever dude, Not of works Lest any man should boast (be puffed up in pride) you yelling at me and sayin I reject works, then say I have pride. Pride comes from WORKS MY FRIEND. Not from recieving Gifts (again, something you can not understand untikl you learn the digffernece between a work and a gift. )

Your own words expose your haughty spirit.

you need to look in the mirror my friend.

I just stated a biblical fact.

John 1: 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If claiming the promise of God through FAITH based on his work, and his will.. not mine, is being haughty, then what do you call those who claim they EARN the right by all their hard work?

 

[LightLoveHope]

What I see is you could not refute ANY ot the things I said I had, which was given to me, paid for by the blood of Christ.
As for presumptuous. Your are the one who is presumptious to think you have to run the race to earn salvation.

The above is such a simple contradiction of Pauls writings in Corinthians.

Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air.
No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27

What astounds me is the obvious contradiction of Pauls words, and pompously talking
as if they are speaking correctly when it is just not true.

It is true they are not running the race, they have already been disqualified and do not
realize their rejection of the apostles sharing shows it.

To a heart which if they saw Gods meaning in the words of scripture would disintegrate
only see what they can cope with. This is blindness and self delusion. Paul is the one
upon whom the protestant work ethic is based. That we are working for God and not
man.

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men,
since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
Col 3:23-24

But these things take time to register in the heart, and if your heart rejects
them out of hand to begin with, you spout whatever you think, not realizing Gods
word declares something different and shows one for the false teacher one is.

And if your listeners know little of God, and want to justify the sin in their own
hearts, they are happy to listen and be lulled into false security and sinful behavior.

 

[Ralph-]

OSAS can lead to false assurance. Serve God, be humble, finish the race and then enjoy the banquet. (Luke 17:7-9)

Pride comes from WORKS MY FRIEND. Not from recieving Gifts

If claiming the promise of God through FAITH based on his work, and his will.. not mine, is being haughty, then what do you call those who claim they EARN the right by all their hard work?

I think what he was getting at is this...


"they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off."-Romans 11:20-22


Once saved always saved people do tend to be conceited because they think they can not fall. They seem to take comfort in how loudly and boldly they proclaim the greatness of God's grace (the more passionate the proclamation the more assurance they have of being in God's graces) rather than taking comfort that they are by God's grace living in obedience to God and dwelling in the grace of his kindness that way.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Again, Amen and so true!!

Great. Then you agree that OSAS in unbiblical, seeing that you say it’s “so true” a person can indeed lose their salvation.



JPT

 

[Katy-follower]

You do know that anti-christ means in place of or instead of


It is not about denying Jesus.

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"​

As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".

The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"

Undergrace, think you were focusing solely on THE Antichrist in your post, which I agree that in the last days he will be the devil incarnate, a false Christ (2 Thess 2:3-4).

But then there are also many (little) antichrists in the world and in 1 John 2 it identifies the "they" who leave the churches as being antichrists, and we know they are non believers who are lost in the world, and the devil is their father. The apostates are spoken of in Jude... late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots, etc.

I noticed the end times Antichrist is always capitalized and the others are always lower case. A while ago I came across one person on here that was saying there are many antichrists but no end time Antichrist, despite sharing the scriptures that show the two, but I'm wondering if he was a preterist and was twisting the scriptures to make them fit with his view.


1 John 2:22-23: Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 4:1-3: Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world"

1 John 2:18: Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us....."

 

[Katy-follower]

I didn't post V19 of that scripture cuz I think it's exhausted