How To Be Un-Saved

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only those who are not of us do not abide in Him...
You can't broad stroke all those who don't abide (continue) in Christ as never having known him since John tells those who he says are abiding in him to not stop abiding in Christ......the abiding you are claiming they can't stop.



He never knew them......

we who continue in FAITH are not of them....
Yes, those who don't grow up into a mature 'knowing' are the ones who may not really believe, or can stop believing and as a result be turned away when Christ returns.

Not being able to lose salvation is applicable to the person who attains to the fourth type of soil. They are the ones who know Christ and have the life to show for it and can not be uprooted. They have the firm foundation of obedience that the people who can not be destroyed have. The obedience did not earn them that status. Their works are the sign they have obtained the status of being unshakable and prepared to weather the coming storm of Judgment.




hebrews 10
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

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John 6:39-40
We know that he is not suggesting that every one who truly believes won't shrink back to perdition. We know that from the rest of the counsel of scripture. He's encouraging them to keep believing by telling them what every dad tells his kids, "you can do this! You're a champion!" Whether or not that is true is yet to be seen. Just the fact that he's warning them to not turn back shows us he's not telling them they can't.


39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Yep. Christ is quite capable of keeping all those that are his. That is the reason why we can put our full trust in him. So don't stop trusting in the One who is able to keep you. He won't stumble in his Priestly duties like Eli and the many other imperfect priests in the line of Levi before Him did. So stick with Him. He won't lose you. He won't fail to properly and effectively represent you before the Father at the altar in heaven. Don't turn back.
 
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Are you suggesting someone who has been born again....made a new creation by the power of God... having a new heart and spirit can end up in the lake of fire?


Or are you suggesting one can be decieved into thinking they have been born again when they truely have never been adopted as sons/daughters?
 
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Only because your preconceived notions keep you from understanding what it is he is saying.

Iow, what you think he is inferring is not at all what he is saying
Ricky...he is saying exactly what I know he is saying....he and I danced this dance already...along with many others....and without bias he tap dances all around the subject, he twists what is said, shifts blame, denies verb tense, denies context, is very deceptive about how he changes the context of what is being talked about, misquotes or partially quotes while leaving off context and has been called out by MANY for this bait and switch tactic that he uses regularly....and I have no preconceived notions....he absolutely believes that HE KEEPS himself SAVED at the end of the day and when the dust settles....he pushes the same drivel that two or three other EX MEMBERS pushed......so please have all the facts bro before you throw my stance against what he espouses under the bus.....
 

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Actually in Christ I am a NEW creation....there is neither JEW nor GENTILE in Christ HAHA ;)
Sir, now I see - I believe that Scripture says we are "in Christ JESUS" - that is what I believe . . .

But I see you believe in another Christ - "in Christ HAHA' - Please, it is Not a laughing matter - so cut out the little laughing icons!
 

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Sir, now I see - I believe that Scripture says we are "in Christ JESUS" - that is what I believe . . .

But I see you believe in another Christ - "in Christ HAHA' - Please, it is Not a laughing matter - so cut out the little laughing icons!

:D :D :eek: :cool: :p
 
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Are you suggesting someone who has been born again....made a new creation by the power of God... having a new heart and spirit can end up in the lake of fire?

Or are you suggesting one can be decieved into thinking they have been born again when they truely have never been adopted as sons/daughters?
Were the children of Israel who didn't enter the promised land deceived into thinking that they were saved out Egypt by the blood of a lamb?
 

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Are you suggesting someone who has been born again....made a new creation by the power of God... having a new heart and spirit can end up in the lake of fire?


Or are you suggesting one can be decieved into thinking they have been born again when they truely have never been adopted as sons/daughters?
I answer YES to both of those questions!
 
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Yes, indeed, and I wish that all who do not believe the truth were scared! :p

i agree

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Proverbs 9:10
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


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1 John 4:18
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
 
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I answer YES to both of those questions!
1 peter 1

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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What do you think this means?
 
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Are you suggesting someone who has been born again....made a new creation by the power of God... having a new heart and spirit can end up in the lake of fire?


Or are you suggesting one can be decieved into thinking they have been born again when they truely have never been adopted as sons/daughters?
Both.

But don't misunderstand. The former believer who goes to the lake of fire is no longer born again when that happens. God does not toss his own into the fire, only those who were never his and those who are no longer his (because of a return to the world and unbelief).
 

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1 peter 1

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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What do you think this means?
LOL! It means exactly what it says! No more and no less!
 
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Both.

But don't misunderstand. The former believer who goes to the lake of fire is no longer born again when that happens. God does not toss his own into the fire, only those who were never his and those who are no longer his (because of a return to the world and unbelief).
The drivel I am speaking to ^^^^^^^^^^^^the bolded is straight from the pit.....and there is no such dogma found in the bible....one cannot BE unborn once born....
 

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I was about to light him up........and then realized that he was being facetious.....and sarcastic.............
OUCH! That hurt! I felt the air around me getting me hot and heavy - and feared a lightning bolt was about to strike me!
 
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Were the children of Israel who didn't enter the promised land deceived into thinking that they were saved out Egypt by the blood of a lamb?
Did God cast them away or continue to lead them, make his presence known, provide for them, give them a system of worship for the 40 years they wandered in the wilderness....??

AND they ALL came out of EGYPT by faith after striking the blood....

So.....did he cast them away or do the above!

Case settled....he did not cast them away
 

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Sir, now I see - I believe that Scripture says we are "in Christ JESUS" - that is what I believe . . .

But I see you believe in another Christ - "in Christ HAHA' - Please, it is Not a laughing matter - so cut out the little laughing icons!
Lighten up.
Did you read his response to the post (my post he responded to)?
 
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...he absolutely believes that HE KEEPS himself SAVED at the end of the day and when the dust settles....
I believe it is through my trust in Christ that I have, and continue to have, that which rescues me from the coming wrath.

Now, using the Bible show me that's me trying to save myself through the effort of self righteousness. Show me where believing is a work of the works gospel that can not save.

Of course, we know you can't do that because grace through faith is exactly the gospel that saves.
 
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I believe it is through my trust in Christ that I have, and continue to have, that which rescues me from the coming wrath.

Now, using the Bible show me that's me trying to save myself through the effort of self righteousness. Show me where believing is a work of the works gospel that can not save.

Of course, we know you can't do that because grace through faith is exactly the gospel that saves.
Go reference the Not By Works Thread where you have said numerous times you keep yourself saved....YOU MAY twist it here and say the above, but you know good and well that you have said numerous times that YOU keep yourself saved......and again you deceptively butcher my quote so as to make yourself look better.....very deceptive....