How to Spot a Legalist

[notuptome]

Apostle Paul states it the best way:

(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

He says we are saved by grace through faith, meaning only through the faith of the Lord is one under God's grace that saves, and Paul does not leave it at just that as we read on the Ephesians 4.

Apostle Paul in Ephesians 4:3-32 states how we are to keep the unity with the Holy Spirit by walking properly in the faith, and breaks down how we can and can not walk. He says those who continue to work uncleanness have not learned Christ. We are only sealed by the Holy Spirit as Paul states in verse 30 if we keep that unity.

Faith is received from God through the Holy Spirit by the hearing of Gods word. Through faith is not an effort of man but receiving that grace is a gift that cannot be earned. Nothing a man can do merits Gods grace.

Saved not by our faith but by the faith of Jesus Christ for He alone was and is faithful for all of eternity.

Not me but Jesus Christ. Savior and Preserver of all who trust in Him.

Proverbs 17:8 ¶ A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.

Consider that salvation is a gift.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have been reading the above statements, some of you sure do write a lot of information it takes a real long time to read and if you have questions grab your bible and begin your own little study. I have a lot of questions and statements of my own in my head as I hold my bible. Of course, now I have my own understanding and/or belief. I don't understand though why people want to say I am save by grace and leave it. truly we are saved by grace, but is that all to it? Revelation 14:12 reads:

HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDEMENTS OF GOD AND THE FATH OF JESUS.

so? is it ONLY grace that saves us or is grace the beginning?

So Gods standard is not the question. The question is, can we be good enough. So tell us, how good is good enough?

Anything other grace means we have earned, Can you earn salvation? if so. please tell us how

 

[KennethC]

Faith is received from God through the Holy Spirit by the hearing of Gods word. Through faith is not an effort of man but receiving that grace is a gift that cannot be earned. Nothing a man can do merits Gods grace.

Saved not by our faith but by the faith of Jesus Christ for He alone was and is faithful for all of eternity.

Not me but Jesus Christ. Savior and Preserver of all who trust in Him.

Proverbs 17:8 ¶ A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.

Consider that salvation is a gift.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

Grace is a gift that our God gave to us all while we were still sinners by sending His Son to die for us on the cross and pay the debt for our sins. (Romans 5:6-8 shows this)

We are put under that grace by faith in the Lord that is established by hearing the word and trusting in what it says to us.
(Romans 10:17)

When that love and trust for Him abides in us His words will also abide in us to follow Him in obedience, which is why Apostle Paul goes from here in Romans 8, Ephesians 4, Galatians 5, 1 Corinthians 3-5, Colossians 2-3 and the like he breaks down how believers can and can not walk in the faith.

One way he says shows the sign of a true believer, and the other he says they have not learned Christ and are still enmity to God !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Grace is a gift that our God gave to us all while we were still sinners by sending His Son to die for us on the cross and pay the debt for our sins. (Romans 5:6-8 shows this)

We are put under that grace by faith in the Lord that is established by hearing the word and trusting in what it says to us.
(Romans 10:17)

When that love and trust for Him abides in us His words will also abide in us to follow Him in obedience, which is why Apostle Paul goes from here in Romans 8, Ephesians 4, Galatians 5, 1 Corinthians 3-5, Colossians 2-3 and the like he breaks down how believers can and can not walk in the faith.

One way he says shows the sign of a true believer, and the other he says they have not learned Christ and are still enmity to God !!!

Yep. we all agree with this. so whats your issue?

It actually gets quite bothersome and annoying when people tell is what we already believe, and use our own belief system to argue against us.

 

[Dianneh]

ok, I have been pointed out regarding my spelling. Here is what I should had typed "good morning, so? is this where we all begin our discussion?"

 

[Dianneh]

Yep. we all agree with this. so whats your issue?

It actually gets quite bothersome and annoying when people tell is what we already believe, and use our own belief system to argue against us.

I agree with you and that was my thoughts. Lets start a new topic? three angels message?

 

[crossnote]

Christ Jesus will rule with an iron rod, that sounds pretty strict.

Millennium reign...not there yet.

 

[crossnote]

ok, I have been pointed out regarding my spelling. Here is what I should had typed "good morning, so? is this where we all begin our discussion?"

yes there are grammar police as well as theological legalists

 

[crossnote]

Many legalists keep pointing to the Mosaic Covenant which was temporary and a conditional one. They will even try to jam it into the Abrahamic Covenant which was an unconditional covenant and was to be freely received by faith.The New Covenant resembles the eternal unconditional Abrahamic and is a pattern of our walk..by faith, even as Abraham did 400 years before the Mosaic.

 

[FreeNChrist]

ok, I have been pointed out regarding my spelling. Here is what I should had typed "good morning, so? is this where we all begin our discussion?"

....With you, yes.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Grace is a gift that our God gave to us all while we were still sinners by sending His Son to die for us on the cross and pay the debt for our sins. (Romans 5:6-8 shows this)

We are put under that grace by faith in the Lord that is established by hearing the word and trusting in what it says to us.
(Romans 10:17)

When that love and trust for Him abides in us His words will also abide in us to follow Him in obedience, which is why Apostle Paul goes from here in Romans 8, Ephesians 4, Galatians 5, 1 Corinthians 3-5, Colossians 2-3 and the like he breaks down how believers can and can not walk in the faith.

One way he says shows the sign of a true believer, and the other he says they have not learned Christ and are still enmity to God !!!

I have actually been trying to make sense out of this....I should have known better.

 

[RickyZ]

Faith is received from God through the Holy Spirit by the hearing of Gods word. Through faith is not an effort of man but receiving that grace is a gift that cannot be earned. Nothing a man can do merits Gods grace.

Saved not by our faith but by the faith of Jesus Christ for He alone was and is faithful for all of eternity.

Not me but Jesus Christ. Savior and Preserver of all who trust in Him.

Proverbs 17:8 ¶ A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.

Consider that salvation is a gift.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

Mark 11:3

Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

Matthew 12:21

Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.

Originally Posted by notuptome
You are not going to move mountains with your faith.
Roger



And that, my friend, tells us all we need to know about your understanding of faith.

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you saying that the Bible is Jesus Christ??

Amen not to mention that they fail to make the same distinguished point that the verse makes....

2 John 9-10 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God . He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.[SUP]1

Christ cannot deny himself![/SUP]

 

[crossnote]

this seems like a good rule of thumb...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this seems like a good rule of thumb...

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There is another word for that. It is called religion!

 

[gb9]

here is my personal definition of legalism: God really does not like you very much, God really does not want you to go to Heaven, but if you try really hard, dot every I cross every t, he might think about letting you in. maybe. and that flies in the face of what the Bible actually says.

 

[RickyZ]

There's a lot of scriptures on this issue that seemingly contradict, as this thread has shown. But I think they can easily be made to fit together if you look at it this way:

1. one is not saved by works

2. the quality of your works is a reliable indicator of your salvation status

 

[FreeNChrist]

There's a lot of scriptures on this issue that seemingly contradict, as this thread has shown. But I think they can easily be made to fit together if you look at it this way:

1. one is not saved by works

2. the quality of your works is a reliable indicator of your salvation status

What is "salvation status"?

 

[just-me]

Many legalists keep pointing to the Mosaic Covenant which was temporary and a conditional one. They will even try to jam it into the Abrahamic Covenant which was an unconditional covenant and was to be freely received by faith.The New Covenant resembles the eternal unconditional Abrahamic and is a pattern of our walk..by faith, even as Abraham did 400 years before the Mosaic.

Is not salvation conditional according to our response to God's calling through Christ?

 

[FreeNChrist]

here is my personal definition of legalism: God really does not like you very much, God really does not want you to go to Heaven, but if you try really hard, dot every I cross every t, he might think about letting you in. maybe. and that flies in the face of what the Bible actually says.

Goods points, that would seem to speak to the image of God that one holds to.