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I just recently saw this on a church sign. They obviously don't understand the difference. 
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Sad part is, the very passage they use to support what they said, says the complete opposite of what they claim he said.
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Yep, and he said I NEVER KNEW YOU.. Not I knew you and then did not know you, then knew you , then had to kick you out of my family.
Because they did what all men do. they lived in sin (because they were never saved) Their religion was rejected by Jesus, just like he rejected the religion of the pharisee, No difference.
Because they did what all men do. they lived in sin (because they were never saved) Their religion was rejected by Jesus, just like he rejected the religion of the pharisee, No difference.
K
Repentance and works go hand and hand, just like faith and works go hand and hand.
Both are stated in the bible that a true repentance and a true faith will show out in works, because neither is just a profession from the mouth. It has to be from your heart, soul, and mind to show what you have for the Lord is true, and when that happens it will show in our outer actions.
A true repentance will not show a willful continuance to commit the sin/s they repented of, or that shows there was no change in mind.
Like I said being a legalist that line has gotten smeared, because the legalism that Apostle Paul confronted was those seeking to be justified by keep the physical ordinances of the Mosaic law.
He did not get on people or confront those who were keeping Jesus teachings and commands from the gospel books, instead he confirmed, upheld, and taught those same teachings and commands to be kept !!!
Both are stated in the bible that a true repentance and a true faith will show out in works, because neither is just a profession from the mouth. It has to be from your heart, soul, and mind to show what you have for the Lord is true, and when that happens it will show in our outer actions.
A true repentance will not show a willful continuance to commit the sin/s they repented of, or that shows there was no change in mind.
Like I said being a legalist that line has gotten smeared, because the legalism that Apostle Paul confronted was those seeking to be justified by keep the physical ordinances of the Mosaic law.
He did not get on people or confront those who were keeping Jesus teachings and commands from the gospel books, instead he confirmed, upheld, and taught those same teachings and commands to be kept !!!
K
Exactly, and following the Lord Jesus teachings and commands is not putting one under the law.
If some believe that then they have been sadly miss-taught, as Apostle Paul when confronting against legalism was only those trying to seek justification of the written ordinances of the Mosaic law.
He never confronted believers trying to keep Jesus teachings and commands as wrong, instead he did just the opposite confirmed, upheld, and taught to keep them himself.
If some believe that then they have been sadly miss-taught, as Apostle Paul when confronting against legalism was only those trying to seek justification of the written ordinances of the Mosaic law.
He never confronted believers trying to keep Jesus teachings and commands as wrong, instead he did just the opposite confirmed, upheld, and taught to keep them himself.
This is the full context telling what Jesus' commandment is:
[SUP] [/SUP]“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]“These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. [SUP]12 THIS IS MY COMMANDMENT[/SUP], that you love one another as I have loved you. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These things I command you, that you love one another.
[SUP] [/SUP]“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]“These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. [SUP]12 THIS IS MY COMMANDMENT[/SUP], that you love one another as I have loved you. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These things I command you, that you love one another.
Works is not the way to Salvation God tells us in Ephesians..."not by works, so that no man can boast..." Jesus said, "I am the way , and the truth and the life....." So, I agree with the fact we are to rely on the free gift of Jesus Christ. But why are we to contend that the free gift of Jesus would not also be seen as the Spiritual truth of His enabled response of His will thru us? Not just in way of His Salvation, but also in way of works? "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:10.
To answer freenchrist in his second point of his original post: If the revelation of ourselves is found to be dead in our transgressions and sins and that all things of our old self are gone and the new creation has brought us all new things, How is it that we have not surrendered the all of ourselves in that exchange?... Only to gain more in the new regeneration! "Trust in the Lord with ALL your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in ALL your ways submit to Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6. Wouldn't submitting to Him also include His purposes for us, alongside His Salvation?
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Cor. 5:21. Doesn't righteousness call on us to respond then naturally in this new us, based on the power that resides in us, regardless of the grind of it's cost to us? God never promised the Christian life to be easy street.
The modern view of the death of Jesus is that He died for our sins out of sympathy for us. Yet the New Testament view is that He took our sin on Himself not because of sympathy, or pity, but because of His identification with us. He was "made.....to be sin....."Our sins are removed because of the gift of the death of Jesus, and the only explanation for His death is His obedience to His Father, not for His sympathy for us.
One is right to say, We are acceptable to God not because we have obeyed, not because we have promised to give up things, but because of the death of Christ , and for no other reason.
However, Christ died for me, therefore I am completely free from penalty, is never taught in the New Testament. What is taught in the New Testament is that 'He died for all" 2 Cor. 5:15.--Not, "He died my death"--and that thru identification with His death I can be freed from sin, and have His very righteousness imparted as a gift to me.
The substitution which is taught in the New Testament is twofold: "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we MIGHT BECOME the righteousness of God in Him." The teaching is not Christ FOR me unless I am determined to have Christ formed in me. Gal. 4:19: "For thru the law I died to the law so that I might live for God." My obligation is to the whole teachings of Scripture both the grace and mercy in it's awesomeness and in the justice and righteousness of God the bible outlines. I come in a blank slate unto God and exit with not my understanding but His Word. That only becomes real when I live it thru Christ in my life.
To answer freenchrist in his second point of his original post: If the revelation of ourselves is found to be dead in our transgressions and sins and that all things of our old self are gone and the new creation has brought us all new things, How is it that we have not surrendered the all of ourselves in that exchange?... Only to gain more in the new regeneration! "Trust in the Lord with ALL your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in ALL your ways submit to Him, and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6. Wouldn't submitting to Him also include His purposes for us, alongside His Salvation?
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Cor. 5:21. Doesn't righteousness call on us to respond then naturally in this new us, based on the power that resides in us, regardless of the grind of it's cost to us? God never promised the Christian life to be easy street.
The modern view of the death of Jesus is that He died for our sins out of sympathy for us. Yet the New Testament view is that He took our sin on Himself not because of sympathy, or pity, but because of His identification with us. He was "made.....to be sin....."Our sins are removed because of the gift of the death of Jesus, and the only explanation for His death is His obedience to His Father, not for His sympathy for us.
One is right to say, We are acceptable to God not because we have obeyed, not because we have promised to give up things, but because of the death of Christ , and for no other reason.
However, Christ died for me, therefore I am completely free from penalty, is never taught in the New Testament. What is taught in the New Testament is that 'He died for all" 2 Cor. 5:15.--Not, "He died my death"--and that thru identification with His death I can be freed from sin, and have His very righteousness imparted as a gift to me.
The substitution which is taught in the New Testament is twofold: "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we MIGHT BECOME the righteousness of God in Him." The teaching is not Christ FOR me unless I am determined to have Christ formed in me. Gal. 4:19: "For thru the law I died to the law so that I might live for God." My obligation is to the whole teachings of Scripture both the grace and mercy in it's awesomeness and in the justice and righteousness of God the bible outlines. I come in a blank slate unto God and exit with not my understanding but His Word. That only becomes real when I live it thru Christ in my life.
F
Repentance is a change of mind that leads to a change of action. The change of mind is the recognition that only Christ can live the Christian life. The change of action is then our allowing for the outworking of the life of Christ in and through us. That is one of the basic objectives of the Revelation, to call Christians in all churches in every age to repentance from the sin of religiosity, the substitution of our actions for God's action.
oh yes, just like Paul...
Galatians 3:1-5 KJV[1] O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? [4] Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. [5] He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:1-5 KJV[1] O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? [4] Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. [5] He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
E
Amen, Which brings us to the worse form of legalism.
My action or inaction (things I do or do not do) will determine my eternal destination.
Saying we should live a life pleasing to God, which lines up with his commands is not legalism, Saying my eternal destiny is determined by how well I do such is. of the worse kind, and paul said that kind is to be anathema'd Because it is a different gospel
My action or inaction (things I do or do not do) will determine my eternal destination.
Saying we should live a life pleasing to God, which lines up with his commands is not legalism, Saying my eternal destiny is determined by how well I do such is. of the worse kind, and paul said that kind is to be anathema'd Because it is a different gospel
F
No, that only becomes real when you, by faith, allow Christ to live it in and through you.
Galatians 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God"
Galatians 2:20
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God"
K
Yes the major point to love one another, but what does that entail as I think this is where people go off and start causing strife among each other. As look at the other point I highlighted in that passage !!!
Here Jesus says the same thing as He said in Matthew 28:19-20 to observe/obey all that He commanded, and Apostle Paul expounded on this thing here:
[h=1]Romans 13:9-11[/h]9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Apostle Paul says to wake up and realize that walking in love as commanded would have us obeying all that the Lord taught, and this needs to be realized as our salvation is getting nearer each day. Wake up to the truth before it is to late is what he is saying !!!