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repenting is to change our thinking, This is what changes our actions.
Repenting is not living up to a set of rules and regulations, and thinking your spiritual and blessed by God. As paul said, A gentile who does not know Christ can by nature obey the laws of God without even having the law. So obeying some law to some standard to make God happy with you, and try to earn his love is legalism. It is self motivated, not out of love.
God said we have all sinned and fall short of his glorious standard (literally missed the mark) No one can live up to Gods standard and be worthy of eternal life.
Saying this does not promote a sinful lifestyle Saying it does not saying it is ok to sin, Saying it is admiting a fact of spiritual truth.
Those who love God because they experienced his true love wil follow him, and learn to love his ways, and in doing so will follow his commands.
Those who follow his commands to get something out of it, will also follow his commands.
Sadly. Niether will be able to live up to Gods standards, and fall short of the glory of God. The only thing is left is redemption, which was paid by the blood of Christ, His sweat, His body, His life, His sacrifice. NOTHING we have done, are doing or will ever do will make us worthy of his sacrifice or his love, for we all fall short.
Legalsim is dangerous because it acts in carnality (I do this so God must love me) where Grace kids act in love and appreciation for God (I do not do it to earn anything, for I do not deserve anything to begin with, I do it, Because I trust God, and his ways, and have rejected myself and my ways.
Repenting is not living up to a set of rules and regulations, and thinking your spiritual and blessed by God. As paul said, A gentile who does not know Christ can by nature obey the laws of God without even having the law. So obeying some law to some standard to make God happy with you, and try to earn his love is legalism. It is self motivated, not out of love.
God said we have all sinned and fall short of his glorious standard (literally missed the mark) No one can live up to Gods standard and be worthy of eternal life.
Saying this does not promote a sinful lifestyle Saying it does not saying it is ok to sin, Saying it is admiting a fact of spiritual truth.
Those who love God because they experienced his true love wil follow him, and learn to love his ways, and in doing so will follow his commands.
Those who follow his commands to get something out of it, will also follow his commands.
Sadly. Niether will be able to live up to Gods standards, and fall short of the glory of God. The only thing is left is redemption, which was paid by the blood of Christ, His sweat, His body, His life, His sacrifice. NOTHING we have done, are doing or will ever do will make us worthy of his sacrifice or his love, for we all fall short.
Legalsim is dangerous because it acts in carnality (I do this so God must love me) where Grace kids act in love and appreciation for God (I do not do it to earn anything, for I do not deserve anything to begin with, I do it, Because I trust God, and his ways, and have rejected myself and my ways.
So what are you going to do about it in the will of God. Continue to condemn, or do as Paul?
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Corinthians 9:20
Or don't you know enough about the law of legalism to minster to those who are under the law of legalism?
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1 Corinthians 9:21-22
So is this the agenda, or is it something different? I haven't seen the condemners do this yet. Paul said to follow his example. So if you preach Paul, at least act like him. Right?
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Corinthians 9:20
Or don't you know enough about the law of legalism to minster to those who are under the law of legalism?
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1 Corinthians 9:21-22
So is this the agenda, or is it something different? I haven't seen the condemners do this yet. Paul said to follow his example. So if you preach Paul, at least act like him. Right?
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Ken does not get it.
When you go around and preach 2 + 2 = 4. And someone comes and asks you why 2 + 2 = 5, It is not a valid question. He needs to reread what you said so he can stop making a fool of himself.
Sadly, FreeNChrist gave him another opportunity to read what he said to correct his misinterpretation of what FreeNChrist said, And Ken still does not get it.
again, People get angry at us for treating them the way we do. Yet never confront them for being the way they are. They have no one to blame but themselves.
When you go around and preach 2 + 2 = 4. And someone comes and asks you why 2 + 2 = 5, It is not a valid question. He needs to reread what you said so he can stop making a fool of himself.
Sadly, FreeNChrist gave him another opportunity to read what he said to correct his misinterpretation of what FreeNChrist said, And Ken still does not get it.
again, People get angry at us for treating them the way we do. Yet never confront them for being the way they are. They have no one to blame but themselves.
No, both Christ and the new me are real, not just Christ. I live not to pretentiously live, yet, set apart from God as an individual, I myself am Identified with Christ, thus I live and obey in real time as a real person unto that new power. Faith is a forward thing of myself empowered by God, not a resting place of myself unchanged by the power lifted to Heaven.
Freed from the bondage of obeying sin and the burden of the penalty of eternal condemnation.
We have liberty to obey Christ because He has purchased our redemption. We are His and He has given to us His Holy Spirit to lead us in paths of righteousness. We have liberty to live for Christ that our sin prevented us from doing.
Legalists are endeavoring to be righteous apart from Christ. The closer our walk with Christ the easier it is to identify the legalists. Legalists rebel against the liberty of Christ and those who live in joy through Christ. Legalists know fear while Christians know liberty.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We have liberty to obey Christ because He has purchased our redemption. We are His and He has given to us His Holy Spirit to lead us in paths of righteousness. We have liberty to live for Christ that our sin prevented us from doing.
Legalists are endeavoring to be righteous apart from Christ. The closer our walk with Christ the easier it is to identify the legalists. Legalists rebel against the liberty of Christ and those who live in joy through Christ. Legalists know fear while Christians know liberty.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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If there was a great product that has been sold for years which was upgraded to an evern greater product, which could give us so much more than the previous version could even think of giving us.
Do we let the person who is trying to get the upgraded product to work via the instructions of the old product. or do we try to show them that there is a new and better way, and you can not work it like the old product?
Do we let the person who is trying to get the upgraded product to work via the instructions of the old product. or do we try to show them that there is a new and better way, and you can not work it like the old product?
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[h=1]Ephesians 4:17-32[/h][h=3]The New Man[/h]17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[a] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
[h=3]Do Not Grieve the Spirit[/h]25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,”[b] for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:[c] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil.28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
[h=3]Do Not Grieve the Spirit[/h]25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,”[b] for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:[c] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil.28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
John 5:45-47
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
What false accusers that make it a habit of spotting legalism really know the truth in the words of Jesus? Do they?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
What false accusers that make it a habit of spotting legalism really know the truth in the words of Jesus? Do they?
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Faith does not sit, Faith works.
It is the faith that saved, not the works which come out of faith.
We rest, because we no longer have to try to do it ourselves, or work to get things done, We rest, because now we can rely on the power of someone else to do it for and in us.
The law did not work because one it could not be fulfilled. and 2, it had to be done by our own power. and we lived or died by how good we did (meaning we all died because none of us could fulfill it) ie, it showed us our weakness.
Grace overcomes because I am not bound by that law, I am freed, and since I have been given the love of God I can now share that love with others, which is what I was created to do (I am now in my natural state, where as under the law. I was in my unnatural state) thus I am empowered to fulfill that law I could not even come close to fulfilling under the law.
Greater yet, I am not judged when I stumble and fall, and do not do as I was created to do (which is sin) so I can boldly go to the throne room of Grace and without fear call out to my abba father, who loves me undconditionally. Which gives me even greater freedom to go and fulfill the law as I share his unwavering, and unconditional love to my neighbor.
As paul said, Love is fulfilment of the law. because love doe snot harm to a neighbor.
It is the faith that saved, not the works which come out of faith.
We rest, because we no longer have to try to do it ourselves, or work to get things done, We rest, because now we can rely on the power of someone else to do it for and in us.
The law did not work because one it could not be fulfilled. and 2, it had to be done by our own power. and we lived or died by how good we did (meaning we all died because none of us could fulfill it) ie, it showed us our weakness.
Grace overcomes because I am not bound by that law, I am freed, and since I have been given the love of God I can now share that love with others, which is what I was created to do (I am now in my natural state, where as under the law. I was in my unnatural state) thus I am empowered to fulfill that law I could not even come close to fulfilling under the law.
Greater yet, I am not judged when I stumble and fall, and do not do as I was created to do (which is sin) so I can boldly go to the throne room of Grace and without fear call out to my abba father, who loves me undconditionally. Which gives me even greater freedom to go and fulfill the law as I share his unwavering, and unconditional love to my neighbor.
As paul said, Love is fulfilment of the law. because love doe snot harm to a neighbor.
Galatians 2:4-5 (KJV)
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
...psst, you know those spies?...that's them!!
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
...psst, you know those spies?...that's them!!
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Do you know notuptome that liberty in Christ is called a law also ??? (James 1:25)
There are still standards under the new covenant that believers are told and said will uphold, and Jesus teachings and commands are part of liberty that Apostle Paul is speaking on. He does not use the term liberty in the way that we can choose to live however we want, as in we can obey or not obey.
Because Apostle Paul follows it up with a clear warning to not use liberty for the opportunity of the flesh, or in other words how he said the same about now being under grace should we continue to sin, GOD FORBID !!!
He expressed that last part in Romans 6:15 because if one keeps reading you will see warnings he gave to believers for continuing to sin.
There are still standards under the new covenant that believers are told and said will uphold, and Jesus teachings and commands are part of liberty that Apostle Paul is speaking on. He does not use the term liberty in the way that we can choose to live however we want, as in we can obey or not obey.
Because Apostle Paul follows it up with a clear warning to not use liberty for the opportunity of the flesh, or in other words how he said the same about now being under grace should we continue to sin, GOD FORBID !!!
He expressed that last part in Romans 6:15 because if one keeps reading you will see warnings he gave to believers for continuing to sin.
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Zmouth, didn't you just feel the love and warmth of godly love with this?
No?
Want a parka?
For everyone else who will actually hear -- obvious question? What's the difference between this response and legalism? Aren't both bought at the price of self-righteousness? Isn't the OP presenting a case of "Ha ha! I'm better than you are. My righteousness doesn't stink"?
There are four responses to the law:
1. We must do it all to be saved. (Legalism.)
2. We are totally free from it. It is no longer relevant, so we can do whatever we want now. (Anarchism.)
3. Somewhere in between. (Most people.)
Those are equally as wrong responses. The only thing that makes people feel good about themselves with any of those responses is the never ending nanny nanny nu nu, (which I recently discovered most people think is "nanny nanny boo boo"), little piles of groups fighting the others because any particular pile thinks they're right and, on here, you can always find others to join your pile, just as long as the others agree with you 100% of the time, and let's keep fighting our fight over any of this stuff.
But then there is the only right answer:
4. God! Jesus! He who created the law and kept the law. He who is the law. He who fulfilled the law specifically for those whom the Father has chosen and the the Holy Spirit enables. He who has not given up on who he is, simply because humans can't make the grade, but he who gave some the way to do that, and see that, and be that, strengthening them in that.
NOT "I'm right, you're wrong, and since you're wrong, you're a slithering snake, nanny nanny nun nu" mentality.
Nor a verb tense problem. Nor a keep yammering and maybe you can bully someone into believing just like you do. Nor an "I'm always right, so I'll never be bullied by you" response.
One game changer -- God.
So while the bullies keep on bullying at different angles, more and more people leave this site, because the bullies have taken over... instead of God!
There is the other choice. God! How about not letting the anarchist vs. legalists vs. all viewpoints in betweens keep gaining their satisfaction in the size of their pile of group? How about not playing along with them?
If not that, grab a parka, because it's cold in here!
No?
Want a parka?
For everyone else who will actually hear -- obvious question? What's the difference between this response and legalism? Aren't both bought at the price of self-righteousness? Isn't the OP presenting a case of "Ha ha! I'm better than you are. My righteousness doesn't stink"?
There are four responses to the law:
1. We must do it all to be saved. (Legalism.)
2. We are totally free from it. It is no longer relevant, so we can do whatever we want now. (Anarchism.)
3. Somewhere in between. (Most people.)
Those are equally as wrong responses. The only thing that makes people feel good about themselves with any of those responses is the never ending nanny nanny nu nu, (which I recently discovered most people think is "nanny nanny boo boo"), little piles of groups fighting the others because any particular pile thinks they're right and, on here, you can always find others to join your pile, just as long as the others agree with you 100% of the time, and let's keep fighting our fight over any of this stuff.
But then there is the only right answer:
4. God! Jesus! He who created the law and kept the law. He who is the law. He who fulfilled the law specifically for those whom the Father has chosen and the the Holy Spirit enables. He who has not given up on who he is, simply because humans can't make the grade, but he who gave some the way to do that, and see that, and be that, strengthening them in that.
NOT "I'm right, you're wrong, and since you're wrong, you're a slithering snake, nanny nanny nun nu" mentality.
Nor a verb tense problem. Nor a keep yammering and maybe you can bully someone into believing just like you do. Nor an "I'm always right, so I'll never be bullied by you" response.
One game changer -- God.
So while the bullies keep on bullying at different angles, more and more people leave this site, because the bullies have taken over... instead of God!
There is the other choice. God! How about not letting the anarchist vs. legalists vs. all viewpoints in betweens keep gaining their satisfaction in the size of their pile of group? How about not playing along with them?
If not that, grab a parka, because it's cold in here!
Maybe we should start thread called "how to stop a quasi graceyist," or "how to spot a quasi graceyist," LOL
Using God's holy word to do so, of course. ALL of it, not just part of it.
Picking out bits and pieces show the truth in people who contend for their doctrine instead of real faith in Christ shows who are who, don'tchknow. LOL
Using God's holy word to do so, of course. ALL of it, not just part of it.
Picking out bits and pieces show the truth in people who contend for their doctrine instead of real faith in Christ shows who are who, don'tchknow. LOL
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