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K
You are not saying anything different then I am saying really, but the thing that must be clarified is that that change will show in our actions/speech/and treatment of others.
There is no such teaching that it only is done within us but does not show on the outside, as even Lord Jesus said do not hide your light/faith. (Matthew 5:15, Luke 11:33)
We are to take the fruit of the Holy Spirit and apply it to how we walk in the flesh !!!
There is no such teaching that it only is done within us but does not show on the outside, as even Lord Jesus said do not hide your light/faith. (Matthew 5:15, Luke 11:33)
We are to take the fruit of the Holy Spirit and apply it to how we walk in the flesh !!!
K
Matthew 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
If anybody is teaching that Lord Jesus teachings and commands are harder to keep then the Mosaic laws, or makes it to hard to get salvation by keeping them then they are speaking in a not born again stage as the original 12 disciples did:
Matthew 19:25
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
The disciples once thought as you did until they received the Holy Spirit and realized that what Jesus said that with God all things are possible they could live up to His standards as the helper is here to guide us.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
If anybody is teaching that Lord Jesus teachings and commands are harder to keep then the Mosaic laws, or makes it to hard to get salvation by keeping them then they are speaking in a not born again stage as the original 12 disciples did:
Matthew 19:25
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
The disciples once thought as you did until they received the Holy Spirit and realized that what Jesus said that with God all things are possible they could live up to His standards as the helper is here to guide us.
K
Well if it is in the case like the Galatians Apostle Paul makes it clear that salvation is not where they are headed by physical ordinance observance to seek justification that way.
However this label gets slapped on people so loosely now days that it even encompasses the Lord Jesus teachings and commands, which is really sad.
It amazes me that people would believe we don't have to keep and obey His commands when it is stressed throughout the NT, and even all the Apostles confirmed, upheld, and taught those same teachings to others.
However this label gets slapped on people so loosely now days that it even encompasses the Lord Jesus teachings and commands, which is really sad.
It amazes me that people would believe we don't have to keep and obey His commands when it is stressed throughout the NT, and even all the Apostles confirmed, upheld, and taught those same teachings to others.
the goal of this is to spot people who say things that sound good, holy, religious, but are not Biblically correct. you know, things all God's word is to be obeyed, which is a disguise for saying that Christ followers must keep the O.T. law. opps, that pointed to someone. so, you are the answer to your question.
F
Yep. Come to Jesus, receive the free gift of salvation. He sets you free from all that burden of the law. And then they are given the bad news that sure you were saved by grace, but now you have a more burdensome law to keep called NT law.
As the OP says, "they roll out a scroll across the floor full of checklists to prove your salvation", and to keep your salvation.
As the OP says, "they roll out a scroll across the floor full of checklists to prove your salvation", and to keep your salvation.
E
rolls eyes..
And people wonder why we get so frustrated.
Nothing FreeNChrist ever said would lead ANYONE with an open heart, and actually listening honestly to what he is saying, would even consider that this was even an option of what he was trying to say.
If people are going to remain blinded by their own belief system, which forces them to interpret things this way, they better stop getting mad when people jump all over them for bearing false witness against them, And not even giving them the common courtesy to listen to what they are saying.
Stop demanding people listen to you, when you refuse to listen to anyone else.
And people wonder why we get so frustrated.
Nothing FreeNChrist ever said would lead ANYONE with an open heart, and actually listening honestly to what he is saying, would even consider that this was even an option of what he was trying to say.
If people are going to remain blinded by their own belief system, which forces them to interpret things this way, they better stop getting mad when people jump all over them for bearing false witness against them, And not even giving them the common courtesy to listen to what they are saying.
Stop demanding people listen to you, when you refuse to listen to anyone else.
E
why?
If we are a legalism, we can be exposed to perhaps gain freedom from legalism
some people may be young in Christ and need warning against those legalistic tendancies which can ensnare them and take them out of the spiritual war we are all in (make them useless to God)
in the case of a legalistic gospel. To expose (anathema) a false gospel. and pray that the person repents, and even if they do not, expose it to nyone who may listen to it, and be convinced by the human good gospel. which is no gospel at all.
If we are a legalism, we can be exposed to perhaps gain freedom from legalism
some people may be young in Christ and need warning against those legalistic tendancies which can ensnare them and take them out of the spiritual war we are all in (make them useless to God)
in the case of a legalistic gospel. To expose (anathema) a false gospel. and pray that the person repents, and even if they do not, expose it to nyone who may listen to it, and be convinced by the human good gospel. which is no gospel at all.
K
There are only two of you on here that I see calling the Lord's teachings and commands burdensome or to difficult.
The Word of God in the NT does not say that though as I showed in post #85, and again the first step one must take is learn to discern between Jesus teachings and commands (perfect law of liberty) and the written ordinances of the Mosaic law.
Until one can do that their concept of spotting a legalist will always be with error !!!
The Word of God in the NT does not say that though as I showed in post #85, and again the first step one must take is learn to discern between Jesus teachings and commands (perfect law of liberty) and the written ordinances of the Mosaic law.
Until one can do that their concept of spotting a legalist will always be with error !!!
E
when your blinded by your own belief system, you can not see what is being said, you will always read in accordance with your belief system.
Thats why you misread and misinterpret what everyone says, and make yourself look foolish so often.
When if your belief system was grounded in scripture. You would not have this problem.
Thats why you misread and misinterpret what everyone says, and make yourself look foolish so often.
When if your belief system was grounded in scripture. You would not have this problem.
F
Gautama Buddha lived some four hundred years prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. As he was dying some of his devotees came to Buddha and asked how they should perpetuate his memory. "How should we share with the world the remembrance of you? How shall we memorialize you?" Buddha responded, "Don't bother! It is not me that matters; it is my teaching that should be propagated and adhered to throughout the world."
Does that sound like a noble ideal to you? "Don't focus on Me, just remember my teaching"?
If Jesus had said something like that, it would absolutely legitimize what many try to pass off as Christianity. But He never did.
Sadhu Sundar Singh, was a convert from the religion of Sikhism to Christianity, who eventually became one of India's most well-known Christians. A European professor of comparative religions (who was himself an agnostic) interviewed Sadhu one day, with the evident intention of showing him his mistake in renouncing another religion for what he perceived to be the "Christian religion."
The professor asked Mr. Singh, "What have you found in the Christian religion that you did not have in your old religion?" Sundar Singh answered, "I have Jesus." "Yes, I know," the professor replied somewhat impatiently, "but what particular principles or doctrines have you found that you did not have before?" Sunday Singh replied, "The particular person I have found is Jesus." Try as he might, the professor could not budge him from that position. The interviewer went away discomfited but thoughtful.
What Sundar Singh was showing was that the religions of the world have some fine teachings, but they lack the person and life of Jesus Christ, the dynamic presence of God in man.
In all of the world's religions, you can take away the founder and still have the religion. You can take Buddha out of Buddhism and still have the Four Noble Truths and the Eight-fold Path. You can take Mohammed out of Islam, and still have the Five Pillars of Action and the Six Articles of Belief. And yes, tragically, you can take Christ out of that misnomer of "Christian religion," and still have the doctrines and the programs and the organizational machinery that masquerade as the “church".
Genuine Christianity, on the other hand, requires the presence and function of the life and Person of the living Lord Jesus. Christianity IS Christ. Jesus Christ is not just the historical founder of a "Christian religion” who has left us “teachings” to live by. He is the spiritual essence of Christianity, dynamically functioning within those who are living by faith in Him.
Does that sound like a noble ideal to you? "Don't focus on Me, just remember my teaching"?
If Jesus had said something like that, it would absolutely legitimize what many try to pass off as Christianity. But He never did.
Sadhu Sundar Singh, was a convert from the religion of Sikhism to Christianity, who eventually became one of India's most well-known Christians. A European professor of comparative religions (who was himself an agnostic) interviewed Sadhu one day, with the evident intention of showing him his mistake in renouncing another religion for what he perceived to be the "Christian religion."
The professor asked Mr. Singh, "What have you found in the Christian religion that you did not have in your old religion?" Sundar Singh answered, "I have Jesus." "Yes, I know," the professor replied somewhat impatiently, "but what particular principles or doctrines have you found that you did not have before?" Sunday Singh replied, "The particular person I have found is Jesus." Try as he might, the professor could not budge him from that position. The interviewer went away discomfited but thoughtful.
What Sundar Singh was showing was that the religions of the world have some fine teachings, but they lack the person and life of Jesus Christ, the dynamic presence of God in man.
In all of the world's religions, you can take away the founder and still have the religion. You can take Buddha out of Buddhism and still have the Four Noble Truths and the Eight-fold Path. You can take Mohammed out of Islam, and still have the Five Pillars of Action and the Six Articles of Belief. And yes, tragically, you can take Christ out of that misnomer of "Christian religion," and still have the doctrines and the programs and the organizational machinery that masquerade as the “church".
Genuine Christianity, on the other hand, requires the presence and function of the life and Person of the living Lord Jesus. Christianity IS Christ. Jesus Christ is not just the historical founder of a "Christian religion” who has left us “teachings” to live by. He is the spiritual essence of Christianity, dynamically functioning within those who are living by faith in Him.
K
Can you be saved before you receive the Holy Spirit ???
No we can not as Jesus clearly says you have to be born again of the Spirit before you can see the kingdom of heaven, and in Acts 5:32 it says the Holy Spirit is given only to those who "obey." Wait a minute that would mean obedience plays a part before the Holy Spirit is given by the Lord, that can't be right can it ?
Actually yes as obedience comes from faith that is established from hearing the word and trusting in what it says, and the first steps we are told as believers to do is repent of our sins and get baptized (converted) in His name. Then we receive the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 19:2-6)
People say faith alone saves, but Jesus clearly says unless one repents of their sins and is born again they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So I will stick with the Lord and His teachings to become saved in the faith and receive the sealing of the Holy Spirit over how man has distorted His teachings !!!
No we can not as Jesus clearly says you have to be born again of the Spirit before you can see the kingdom of heaven, and in Acts 5:32 it says the Holy Spirit is given only to those who "obey." Wait a minute that would mean obedience plays a part before the Holy Spirit is given by the Lord, that can't be right can it ?
Actually yes as obedience comes from faith that is established from hearing the word and trusting in what it says, and the first steps we are told as believers to do is repent of our sins and get baptized (converted) in His name. Then we receive the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 19:2-6)
People say faith alone saves, but Jesus clearly says unless one repents of their sins and is born again they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So I will stick with the Lord and His teachings to become saved in the faith and receive the sealing of the Holy Spirit over how man has distorted His teachings !!!