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It is painfully evident that you do not comprehend the liberty in Christ.
Before one is saved they cannot do anything except obey sin. After they are saved by grace they are able to obey through grace and for the glory of God.
All the admonitions to Christians are for the sake of sanctification not for salvation. Our admonition is that our works after we are saved will be tried by our Savior. We are branches that bear the fruit He produces. We can put forth nothing of ourselves except leaves.
I had not known sin until the Holy Spirit illuminated it and opened my eyes to see. Now my sight is fixed upon Christ so that I no longer must look upon sin but upon Him. One day sin will be removed and I will not need to contend with it ever again. Glory to God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Before one is saved they cannot do anything except obey sin. After they are saved by grace they are able to obey through grace and for the glory of God.
All the admonitions to Christians are for the sake of sanctification not for salvation. Our admonition is that our works after we are saved will be tried by our Savior. We are branches that bear the fruit He produces. We can put forth nothing of ourselves except leaves.
I had not known sin until the Holy Spirit illuminated it and opened my eyes to see. Now my sight is fixed upon Christ so that I no longer must look upon sin but upon Him. One day sin will be removed and I will not need to contend with it ever again. Glory to God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
Maybe we should start thread called "how to stop a quasi graceyist," or "how to spot a quasi graceyist," LOL
Using God's holy word to do so, of course. ALL of it, not just part of it.
Using God's holy word to do so, of course. ALL of it, not just part of it.
I will just continue to stay calm and keep patience with these people while giving God's true undefiled word, so that new comers to the faith and this site can be shown the truth. Not lead in man doctrine that smears the line of the OT laws and the commands and teachings of Christ as trying to make them one !!!
Thanks be to God for His love, mercy, forgiveness, and patience to deal with these situations !!!
You hav e a heated discussion only because the title infers all wh believe in being children of obedience according to God's Word are legalists, as you have named them.
Of course all who believe in obeying God, in any of His persons, is going to defend obedience. Why are all who also believe in the grace and mercy by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ so terrified of words like obedience, and quotes of our Lord telling us to obey the commandments, John also?
Why do anything to dissuade brethren in tthe Blood of the Lamb to not be obedient,. To disoby is sin.
Of course all who believe in obeying God, in any of His persons, is going to defend obedience. Why are all who also believe in the grace and mercy by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ so terrified of words like obedience, and quotes of our Lord telling us to obey the commandments, John also?
Why do anything to dissuade brethren in tthe Blood of the Lamb to not be obedient,. To disoby is sin.
E
So let's fight!!!
That's what God wants. Right?
Let's all be graceful and fight. This thread instigates insanity. The lost will turn their backs to this thread. Way to go yippie!
That's what God wants. Right?
Let's all be graceful and fight. This thread instigates insanity. The lost will turn their backs to this thread. Way to go yippie!
What a hypocrite you are. Your stuff does not stink, and everyone elses does
E
The problem you ALL do not realize.
Is us grace poeple will defend obedience also. It is just you legalists trying to do it by mans own power. and not by Gods power prevent us from doing so. because we have to keep protecting people by proving to the world the legalistic was is not a way which will empower us, but will destroys us. And make us think we are more righteous than we really are.
Is us grace poeple will defend obedience also. It is just you legalists trying to do it by mans own power. and not by Gods power prevent us from doing so. because we have to keep protecting people by proving to the world the legalistic was is not a way which will empower us, but will destroys us. And make us think we are more righteous than we really are.
K
I will ask again as I did earlier can you be saved before receiving the Holy Spirit ?
If you say yes then you have people who are not born again already saved, but Jesus said those who are not born again and who have not repented of their sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
The scripture from Acts 5:32 clearly shows obedience comes before the Holy Spirit is given, as that obedience comes from after faith has been established from hearing the word and trusting in what it says to repent and get baptized in His name.
Then you will receive the Holy Spirit.....(Acts 2:38, 3:19, 19:2-6)
Lord Jesus teaching and commands are the perfect law of liberty that Paul and James are both speaking on !!!
You still are focusing on the physical ordinance of the law which is taking your focus off the Spiritual meaning of what is being said there by Jesus. The actually meaning here by the Lord was the importance of removing sin from your life and the obstacles that would cause us to stumble, NOT about actually cutting hands off or plucking out eyes.
If Jesus ways are tougher then Moses then how come the Word of God says the opposite, that they are easy and not burdensome ??? Because we have the Holy Spirit in us to help keep us in those teachings !!!
Just like a couple others you do the same as them and speak like the disciples/Apostles before they were born again in Matthew 19:25. The Apostles thought the same way as you when they heard this straight form the mouth of Jesus Himself personally, but they soon realized at Pentecost that those things are not impossible !!!
If you say yes then you have people who are not born again already saved, but Jesus said those who are not born again and who have not repented of their sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
The scripture from Acts 5:32 clearly shows obedience comes before the Holy Spirit is given, as that obedience comes from after faith has been established from hearing the word and trusting in what it says to repent and get baptized in His name.
Then you will receive the Holy Spirit.....(Acts 2:38, 3:19, 19:2-6)
Lord Jesus teaching and commands are the perfect law of liberty that Paul and James are both speaking on !!!
You still are focusing on the physical ordinance of the law which is taking your focus off the Spiritual meaning of what is being said there by Jesus. The actually meaning here by the Lord was the importance of removing sin from your life and the obstacles that would cause us to stumble, NOT about actually cutting hands off or plucking out eyes.
If Jesus ways are tougher then Moses then how come the Word of God says the opposite, that they are easy and not burdensome ??? Because we have the Holy Spirit in us to help keep us in those teachings !!!
Just like a couple others you do the same as them and speak like the disciples/Apostles before they were born again in Matthew 19:25. The Apostles thought the same way as you when they heard this straight form the mouth of Jesus Himself personally, but they soon realized at Pentecost that those things are not impossible !!!
I do not believe that is taught anywhere in the Holy Scripture.
However it does declare in Romans that faith establishes the law. Now, what is establishes is not destroyed.
Faith in Jesus Christ is righteousness, and righteousness is considered works, for faith leads to good works, however it is taught nowhere tht faith allows for disobedience at any level and sin is disobedience..
However it does declare in Romans that faith establishes the law. Now, what is establishes is not destroyed.
Faith in Jesus Christ is righteousness, and righteousness is considered works, for faith leads to good works, however it is taught nowhere tht faith allows for disobedience at any level and sin is disobedience..
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