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Baptistrw

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Why, to help bash Joel???????????? I don't get it, there are diferent preachers sent to preach diferent ways, John Hagee teaches diferent fom Rod Parsley and he is different from Joyce Meyer and she is different from Kenneth Copeland, but it is all the gospel of Jesus Christ, I watch them all...
Copeland a Christian? rofl..

A list of Copelands heresies... all documented... check it out

http://healtheland.wordpress.com/20...kenneth-copelands-best-heresies-here-they-go/
 
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Sinnner

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He says it but doesn't say how.. all he says is "pray this prayer... I repent of my sins'' How does one repent of their sins? What is repentance? That is how people go to hell, not by believing in eternally security. I find it funny how mixed up your beliefs are.
You can't be serious, now you are just splitting hairs, really?

Anyway we have gotten off topic you never adressed this: Revelations 3,5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That can't be any more clear, by him saying " I will not blot out his name out of the book of life". Since we are not born with our names in the book of life we have to get put in it some way and that way is by repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. Why would there be a threat of our names being blotted out if it wasn't possible. We can lose our salvation, it says it right there, I'm not trying to argue, just keep people from going to hell.
 
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Sinnner

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My list is longer
 
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Baptistrw

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Since when the gospel prosperity was a false gospel? Can you provide any biblical scriptures that back this up?

NOTE: I am asking for biblical scriptures. I am not asking for scriptures that support your opinions.
The Bible never promises wealth (or health) to Christians, actually the exact opposite, suffering and persecution. God may bless people financially to help His work, but it is not apart of the gospel. It is out of the norm. The gospel offers forgiveness of sins and eternal life, not a promise of health and wealth. Tell Christians in Africa or other poor countries God desires us all to be rich and they'll laugh in your face.
 
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You can't be serious, now you are just splitting hairs, really?

Anyway we have gotten off topic you never adressed this: Revelations 3,5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That can't be any more clear, by him saying " I will not blot out his name out of the book of life". Since we are not born with our names in the book of life we have to get put in it some way and that way is by repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. Why would there be a threat of our names being blotted out if it wasn't possible. We can lose our salvation, it says it right there, I'm not trying to argue, just keep people from going to hell.
No, one can't repent of sin if there is no conviction of sin. I did respond to that, see my blog on eternal security http://raymondwilfong.blogspot.com/2009/01/eternal-security.html...

Also,
Some think that the Book of Life contains the names of all who have been given physical life. According to this view, those who show by their lives that they have been truly born again will not be removed from the book whereas, by implication, all others will.
Others see the book as a register of those who have spiritual life. They are promised that their names will not be blotted out, that is, that they will never lose their salvation. According to this view, the fact that some names will not be blotted out does not require that others will.



Because of the consistent teaching of the Scriptures that salvation is by grace, not by works, and because of the clear statements that the true believer is eternally secure (John 3:16; 5:24; 10:27), verse 5 cannot imply the possibility of a child of God ever being lost.

 
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roaringkitten

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dont take televangelists at their word without looking up the Scriptures for yourself....Many are FALSE teachers with a false gospel...
 
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Sinnner

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The Bible never promises wealth (or health) to Christians, actually the exact opposite, suffering and persecution. God may bless people financially to help His work, but it is not apart of the gospel. It is out of the norm. The gospel offers forgiveness of sins and eternal life, not a promise of health and wealth. Tell Christians in Africa or other poor countries God desires us all to be rich and they'll laugh in your face.
Wow dude it flat out does promise wealth and health, I guess I will find those scriptures also(I'm doing a lot of Bible study tonight) Adress the last scripture and I will try and find these now.
 
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Wow dude it flat out does promise wealth and health, I guess I will find those scriptures also(I'm doing a lot of Bible study tonight) Adress the last scripture and I will try and find these now.
You're doing alot of butchering passages of scripture to fit your eisegesis.
 
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Because of the consistent teaching of the Scriptures that salvation is by grace, not by works, and because of the clear statements that the true believer is eternally secure (John 3:16; 5:24; 10:27), verse 5 cannot imply the possibility of a child of God ever being lost.

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Your right there it has nothing to do with our works, we can not save our selves, the work was done on the cross for us by Jesus. Nothing to do with wether or not we can lose our salvation, you have taken this out of context.
 
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Wow dude it flat out does promise wealth and health, I guess I will find those scriptures also(I'm doing a lot of Bible study tonight) Adress the last scripture and I will try and find these now.
So how many of the 12 Apostles had health and wealth? And where does the gospel preached in the book of Acts promise it? If it was apart of the gospel, I'm sure the early church would have taught it.Paul write most of the epiztles,he have it? Let's see what he says...

24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. 25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; 26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; 27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. 28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? 30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. 31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. 32 In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me: 33 And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands. 2 Cor 11:24-33 (KJV)


Does that sound like health and wealth?



10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Cor 12:10 (KJV)


Does that?
 
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You're doing alot of butchering passages of scripture to fit your eisegesis.
Thats funny I was thinking the same of you, I havent butchered any of these, this is undeniable:Revelations 3,5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That can't be any more clear, by him saying " I will not blot out his name out of the book of life". Since we are not born with our names in the book of life we have to get put in it some way and that way is by repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. Why would there be a threat of our names being blotted out if it wasn't possible. We can lose our salvation, it says it right there, thats not butchered.
 
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Baptistrw

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Because of the consistent teaching of the Scriptures that salvation is by grace, not by works, and because of the clear statements that the true believer is eternally secure (John 3:16; 5:24; 10:27), verse 5 cannot imply the possibility of a child of God ever being lost.
Your right there it has nothing to do with our works, we can not save our selves, the work was done on the cross for us by Jesus. Nothing to do with wether or not we can lose our salvation, you have taken this out of context.[/quote]

If we can't earn our salvation by our works, our works can't keep it, nor can they lose it. IT IS FINISHED! Paid in full. We don't have to keep paying for it. The work is finished.
 
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Baptistrw

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Thats funny I was thinking the same of you, I havent butchered any of these, this is undeniable:Revelations 3,5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That can't be any more clear, by him saying " I will not blot out his name out of the book of life". Since we are not born with our names in the book of life we have to get put in it some way and that way is by repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. Why would there be a threat of our names being blotted out if it wasn't possible. We can lose our salvation, it says it right there, thats not butchered.
He isn't threatening to blot anyones name out. it says ''and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life''..
I don't see how that can be seen as a threat to do something... You're reading something into that text that is not there...

Actually I don't think you even read that verse lol
 
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Baptistrw

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Thats funny I was thinking the same of you, I havent butchered any of these, this is undeniable:Revelations 3,5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That can't be any more clear, by him saying " I will not blot out his name out of the book of life". Since we are not born with our names in the book of life we have to get put in it some way and that way is by repenting of our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. Why would there be a threat of our names being blotted out if it wasn't possible. We can lose our salvation, it says it right there, thats not butchered.
Not a threat but an assurance that saved peoples' names will always be in the book of life.
 
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"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 15:18-20

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12


"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
1 Peter 4:16

Does this sound like prosperity? I bet you most professing Christians dont even get persecuted because they are living like the world and/or not saved to begin with!
 
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Baptistrw

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I'm off, I'll check this thread tomorrow probably and respond to anything if I am asked to. Hold down the fort roaring lol
 
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Sinnner

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You are so resistant to beliving this makes me think that you don't want to believe it because if you did you wold have to make too many changes in your life.

Nonetheless I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, You have "already loaded guns" to fire, I'm guessing cause you would rather defend scensless things and hear teachings that are more or less gossip, you have to be ready to defend.
 
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roaringkitten

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Ros, you going to respond to this "prosperity gospel in light of the Scriptures I gave you?? I'll leave it up to you and the Lord to convict you of these things....Good night.
 
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Rosinsky

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Ros, you going to respond to this "prosperity gospel in light of the Scriptures I gave you?? I'll leave it up to you and the Lord to convict you of these things....Good night.
Roaring,

I will not approach in light of the scriptures you picked while ignoring others, but I will approach and evaluate the teaching in light of the bible as a whole and I would ask you to do the same. Thank you for leaving it up to me and the Holy Spirit to convict me. Likewise, I would ask that you to allow the Holy Spirit to convict.

Good night!
 
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