I think I'm on to something...but I do need some help...

[james57]

Jeremiah 31:33-34 is often misunderstood as a promise of religion without law but what is actually promised is a sincere desire to determination on the part of Gods people to obey the law already given

~http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-ten-commandments/does-the-new-covenant-abolish-the-commandments

That is where I am getting my notes from.

Are you specifically referring to the Ten Commandments in the above? I hope you are, and not all the OT law!

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

The law God wants you to keep got transferred from an external law to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts.

Of course God doesn't want you to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. But you in your born again heart instinctively do not want to do those things either. Your flesh does for that has not been born again, but in your heart you want to obey God. So how do you know which law God wants you to keep? Do you need to read all the old testament laws and figure out which are still applicable, or read a commentary of a scholar to get a better idea?
NO! You know which laws if you like God wants you to keep for you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you go against the law placed on your heart. Inner conviction tells you, not the literal letter. I like the term the legalistic law got removed, the heart of the law remains

So if you want to obey God in your heart, how is obedience to be achieved?

Won't get to that for now lol

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Just a little at a few people. Not you. It seems that on this site if someone is "feast" observant, there are a select few who act as that's condemnable and attempt to sway the "observer's" train of thought on the subject. And it get's annoying after a while. If someone is lerning something and it's helping their walk, then I would assume as believers we should be supportive, as long as it's not contradicting scripture. Following/observing the feasts does not contrradict scripture.

What's the purpose of following them? The one whom they witness(ed) of has come. Observing those shadows has served its purpose. Now the light has come, and is coming.

 

[JFSurvivor]

Well, that explains it.


https://carm.org/ucog

So I did some more digging and I came accorss this:

~http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-teachings/god-unity-or-trinity/

The one thing that really caught my attention was this:

Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42 Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wil - See more at: God - a single entity and not a trinity | The Gospel Truth

I'm not so sure how I feel about Jesus not being God but he makes a very good point....he also brings up that God cannot be tempted but Jesus was tempted in the desert.

I also feel that now would be a good time for a pyschology lesson. Confirmation bias is a psych term and it means that you only look for informations that supports what you already believe. So here is my challenge to you: look at both sides. Look at the side of traditonal mainstream Christianity and then look at the other weird not-so-traditional side and then compare them both to the Bible. That is what I am having to do to avoid confirmation bias. Because I know what I THINK but I don't know the truth and I am 99.9% sure mainstream Christianity is not truth. Ok, more like I am 100% sure mainstream Christianity is not the truth. So I am back at square one trying to find truth and it is really REALLY hard...

 

[JFSurvivor]

Are you specifically referring to the Ten Commandments in the above? I hope you are, and not all the OT law!

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

The law God wants you to keep got transferred from an external law to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts.

Of course God doesn't want you to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. But you in your born again heart instinctively do not want to do those things either. Your flesh does for that has not been born again, but in your heart you want to obey God. So how do you know which law God wants you to keep? Do you need to read all the old testament laws and figure out which are still applicable, or read a commentary of a scholar to get a better idea?
NO! You know which laws if you like God wants you to keep for you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you go against the law placed on your heart. Inner conviction tells you, not the literal letter. I like the term the legalistic law got removed, the heart of the law remains

So if you want to obey God in your heart, how is obedience to be achieved?

Won't get to that for now lol

What is the context of 2 corinthians 3:3? Who is Paul talking to?

 

[james57]

What is the context of 2 corinthians 3:3? Who is Paul talking to?

Gentiles. He said he was the Apostle to the Gentiles.

When it was an external law written on tablets of stone that did not bring the Israelites to want to obey the law in their hearts did it? Most of the time they rebelled against God. But under the new covenant the law if you like God desires you to keep has been placed on your heart, so in your heart you want to obey God. A huge difference between old and new covenants.

 

[Biblelogic01]

What's the purpose of following them? The one whom they witness(ed) of has come. Observing those shadows has served its purpose. Now the light has come, and is coming.

Purpose is they're appointed times by God. Not man. The feasts that have been fulfilled is in observance in rememberance of what Christ has done, and the feasts that have not been fulfilled are for the foreshadowind things of what is to come. That's the way I understand it.

To me, and my conviction on it (and I do not expect other's to have the same POV) is that again what I stated above makes a lot of sense. People celebrate man-made traditional holidays to observe Christ's birth and resurrection.

Why is it wrong to observe non-man-made holidays in rememberance of what Christ did?

My answer to that, is it's not wrong.

 

[JFSurvivor]

In Matthew 24:20 it says "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath." He's talking about the end times. So this means that that verse in Exodus about the sabbath being a "lasting ordinace" was true. So what about all the other feast days and stuff? What about those?

 

[FreeNChrist]

So I did some more digging and I came accorss this:

~http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-teachings/god-unity-or-trinity/

The one thing that really caught my attention was this:

Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42 Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wil - See more at: God - a single entity and not a trinity | The Gospel Truth

I'm not so sure how I feel about Jesus not being God but he makes a very good point....he also brings up that God cannot be tempted but Jesus was tempted in the desert.

I also feel that now would be a good time for a pyschology lesson. Confirmation bias is a psych term and it means that you only look for informations that supports what you already believe. So here is my challenge to you: look at both sides. Look at the side of traditonal mainstream Christianity and then look at the other weird not-so-traditional side and then compare them both to the Bible. That is what I am having to do to avoid confirmation bias. Because I know what I THINK but I don't know the truth and I am 99.9% sure mainstream Christianity is not truth. Ok, more like I am 100% sure mainstream Christianity is not the truth. So I am back at square one trying to find truth and it is really REALLY hard...

You will not find the truth in cults like the UCG or the Christadelphians....no matter how really really hard you try.

 

[james57]

In Matthew 24:20 it says "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath." He's talking about the end times. So this means that that verse in Exodus about the sabbath being a "lasting ordinace" was true. So what about all the other feast days and stuff? What about those?

One person considers one day more sacred(holy) than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom 14:5

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [SUP]17[/SUP]These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ Col2:16&17

I have no conviction of sin by not observing feast days. Therefore if I am a Christian, God didn't place that requirement on my heart

 

[Willie-T]

In Matthew 24:20 it says "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath." He's talking about the end times. So this means that that verse in Exodus about the sabbath being a "lasting ordinace" was true. So what about all the other feast days and stuff? What about those?

Wow! Talk about a Mainstream "leap."

He was answering the disciples' question about the destruction of the Temple they were standing there, looking at. And they did not ask about "The End Times." The disciples were asking about "the end of the age" of Judaism and sacrificial worship.

 

[Willie-T]

In Matthew 24:20 it says "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath." He's talking about the end times. So this means that that verse in Exodus about the sabbath being a "lasting ordinace" was true. So what about all the other feast days and stuff? What about those?

Yes, many things WERE "lasting ordinances" that the Jews asked for, and were required to observe for as long as their present form of sacrificial worship endured. It ended with the total destruction of their Temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Magenta]

So I did some more digging and I came accorss this:

~http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/bible-teachings/god-unity-or-trinity/

The one thing that really caught my attention was this:

Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42 Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wil - See more at: God - a single entity and not a trinity | The Gospel Truth

I'm not so sure how I feel about Jesus not being God but he makes a very good point....he also brings up that God cannot be tempted but Jesus was tempted in the desert.

I also feel that now would be a good time for a pyschology lesson. Confirmation bias is a psych term and it means that you only look for informations that supports what you already believe. So here is my challenge to you: look at both sides. Look at the side of traditonal mainstream Christianity and then look at the other weird not-so-traditional side and then compare them both to the Bible. That is what I am having to do to avoid confirmation bias. Because I know what I THINK but I don't know the truth and I am 99.9% sure mainstream Christianity is not truth. Ok, more like I am 100% sure mainstream Christianity is not the truth. So I am back at square one trying to find truth and it is really REALLY hard...

How many people does that make you? That you can, at one and the same time, have more than one direction your will wishes to move concerning any one matter?

 

[Babylonisfalling]

Correct. He did say that we are to love ALL people. He also told us to follow the ten commandments. Why is that so hard to do? Why NOT follow them? Why not hold ourselves to a higher moral standard out of the love for our creator?

The way it was described to me was do a little each day. Do what you can and do it out of ove for God, not out of obligation. I absolutly believe we need to take God seriously because he was serious about us on the cross. If obeying the ten commandments is Gods love language then so be it! If doing x, y, and z is the best way for me to show Gpd I love him then I'll do it. God plainly outlines how we are to love him but mainstream christianity has watered this down

ABSOLUTELY!!!
You are a breath of fresh air.
And you should not leave mainstream Christianity like you spoke about in an earlier post. And if you already left you should return.
Folks like you are needed in mainstream Christianity. You could help bring it back on track. Mainstream Christianity needs you.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

So then what does it mean to love God? If loving God means to just love everyone else then we have to wonder what does love look like? Because everyone has a different love language. Also we can love someone and still be a liar. A murderer still has the capacity to love. Anot adulterer can still love. So if the whole law depends on just love then we should be free to break the ten commandments.

It's in God's Word what love looks like.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 - Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Someone who is lying is not being loving--love rejoices with the truth.

Someone who is murdering is not being loving--love is patient, kind, and not easily angered.

Someone who is committing adultery is not being loving--love does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking.

Someone who is using love as a sin permit is not being loving--Love does not delight in evil.

The whole law depends on love. (That's why the two commandments Jesus gave in Matthew 22:37-40 are so important--the first and greatest commandment, after all.) Love never fails, but, imperfect people we are, we can fail to love. That's why we fail to keep commandments; because we fail to love, not because love encourages us to fail freely.

 

[LanceA]

The only conclusion that I am getting from her is, Jesus isn't enough. She is trying to find other means to her faith because she doesn't have the relationship she wants with Jesus so she is trying to find it elsewhere. She is searching for religion not a relationship.

I'm sorry if that is blunt, but it is what I'm getting from you.

 

[Biblelogic01]

The only conclusion that I am getting from her is, Jesus isn't enough. She is trying to find other means to her faith because she doesn't have the relationship she wants with Jesus so she is trying to find it elsewhere. She is searching for religion not a relationship.

I'm sorry if that is blunt, but it is what I'm getting from you.

No, it actually looks like she's striving to have a deeper relationship with Jesus/God, more than just the "Oh I'm saved and I pray every day" relationship. She's striving to look into the deeper meaning behind the relationship with God and understand who He is.

You won't find that in mainstream teaching.
I've been a part of a total of 4 different churches in my life.
All 4 of them (in 4 different cites accross Texas), they would teach the same thing over and over and over and over to the point where you could go get a calendar and pin point the next years services/teachings because it was the same thing for each week of the year.
There's more than just the basics of having the relationship with Jesus.
And it looks like to me that she is in a place where she's like, "Ok, I'm saved. I'm walking hand and hand with the Lord, and I'm striving to learn more about the Lord as a grow in Him."

I applaud where she is at, because she's striving for more. I've been in the same position she's at, and it was around the same age.

 

[JFSurvivor]

http://www.remnant-church.net/index.html

http://www.trinitytruth.org/about.html

 

[LanceA]

I'm sure a lot of you have heard of Todd White. I messaged her about his ministry and thought maybe that would be something she was interested in. The guy Loves God like no one I have ever seen before and his love for God flows out of him and love for others. The guy is radically on fire for the Lord and others. She should really listen to him and his message.

 

[JFSurvivor]

No, it actually looks like she's striving to have a deeper relationship with Jesus/God, more than just the "Oh I'm saved and I pray every day" relationship. She's striving to look into the deeper meaning behind the relationship with God and understand who He is.

You won't find that in mainstream teaching.
I've been a part of a total of 4 different churches in my life.
All 4 of them (in 4 different cites accross Texas), they would teach the same thing over and over and over and over to the point where you could go get a calendar and pin point the next years services/teachings because it was the same thing for each week of the year.
There's more than just the basics of having the relationship with Jesus.
And it looks like to me that she is in a place where she's like, "Ok, I'm saved. I'm walking hand and hand with the Lord, and I'm striving to learn more about the Lord as a grow in Him."

I applaud where she is at, because she's striving for more. I've been in the same position she's at, and it was around the same age.

THANK YOU! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!!!

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

I'm sure a lot of you have heard of Todd White. I messaged her about his ministry and thought maybe that would be something she was interested in. The guy Loves God like no one I have ever seen before and his love for God flows out of him and love for others. The guy is radically on fire for the Lord and others. She should really listen to him and his message.

I haven't. Guess I should check him out too