anything that goes against the bible which speaking of which the Catholics could not answer me with scripture they instead tried to twist the scriptures to mean what they wanted, sound familiar? So it is indeed proven that their whole beliefs about mary are false next I want to ask them about the church itself
I want to understand the Catholic faith so....
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I'm not wasting my time and I'm not getting confused I am actually learning a lot, it seems the Catholics are more like us that we thought. Yes they have different beliefs and honestly they believe they are the top authority of the church of Christ but they agree that the deep love and relationship with God is vital and that love is the mark of a true believer, they also have a lot of the same issues we do like ppl twisting scripture to fit their own beliefs and people who claim to be for Christ but don't love and Jesus is their messiah. Although I have to admit they are not Christians as some may claim
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thanks for all the info magenta. i was aware of some of this but some is new.
i agree with what you posted. much of it is false doctrine. but i dont believe all Catholics follow it. i have studied catholic belief, a grreat deal of my knowledge comes from speaking to Catholics face to face. most believe that all the doctrines, such as what you mentioned as above, are a joke. most pray and serve in the same manner as i do.yet they are Catholics and i am not.
i am a baptist, i am sure there is a textbook definition of what a baptist is and i probably would not fit that. i do not need a denominational label to define who i am and how i serve our Lord.
hope that makes sense
i agree with what you posted. much of it is false doctrine. but i dont believe all Catholics follow it. i have studied catholic belief, a grreat deal of my knowledge comes from speaking to Catholics face to face. most believe that all the doctrines, such as what you mentioned as above, are a joke. most pray and serve in the same manner as i do.yet they are Catholics and i am not.
i am a baptist, i am sure there is a textbook definition of what a baptist is and i probably would not fit that. i do not need a denominational label to define who i am and how i serve our Lord.
hope that makes sense
You are welcome, and what you say does make sense... most denominations have a statement of faith, and of course many of them are very similar to others, and in fact, being a different denomination does not even always necessarily mean a difference of belief at all, a fact which is in itself confusing to those who love to attack protestants, one line of attack being on the number of sects there are.
I think it is interesting that people will call themselves Roman Catholics, when according to the head of the Roman Catholic church, and anyone else who really does believe the things they promote as infallible, they are in fact NOT Roman Catholics. So there is a great disconnect between what is taught and what is held to be true and what is in fact actually true, but nobody seems to care, least of all the pretend Roman Catholics.
I think it is interesting that people will call themselves Roman Catholics, when according to the head of the Roman Catholic church, and anyone else who really does believe the things they promote as infallible, they are in fact NOT Roman Catholics. So there is a great disconnect between what is taught and what is held to be true and what is in fact actually true, but nobody seems to care, least of all the pretend Roman Catholics.
J
i think those you speak of share the same hope and devotion that Martin Luther did. he did not want to break from the church, he wanted reform, he wanted the church to go back to the fundamentals it was founded on and end the corruption that it fell to.
a true believer is smart and knows better when it has corrupt leaders. 500 years back when the church was falsely accusing people, murdering them, and taking all their wealth, the people knew better. today is no different.
a true believer is smart and knows better when it has corrupt leaders. 500 years back when the church was falsely accusing people, murdering them, and taking all their wealth, the people knew better. today is no different.
So I was on FB, and a Catholic friend posted something she believed in, written on a meme by a famous priest.
It said,
When you die you will face the judge, don't be surprised that the judge will ask you "Did you love my mother?"
I asked her for Scriptural proof, and she came out with an adulterated version of John 19:26-27. She said the Bible said,
"Right before Jesus died, He told St. John: "Woman behold your son. Son, behold your Mother." That was the moment Jesus gave His mother to mankind."
When in fact, it has nothing whatsoever to do with mariology, but is just a statement of Jesus getting John to take care of his mother, since a woman in Israel in that day, needed a husband or son to take care of her, because women did not work.
Here is the actual verse.
"When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home." John 19:26-27
I'm still in shock about this one! Do Catholics honestly believe this, and can they honestly twist the Bible to this degree??
I just looked this passage in my Catholic Bible and it says the exact thing that ESV says.
EXCEPT!!!
The footnotes try to make Mary into a "symbol of the church" and proceeds from there that this is about worshipping Mary from that moment on. Seriously using the text to support a false doctrine, rather than reading what the Bible actually says.
It said,
When you die you will face the judge, don't be surprised that the judge will ask you "Did you love my mother?"
I asked her for Scriptural proof, and she came out with an adulterated version of John 19:26-27. She said the Bible said,
"Right before Jesus died, He told St. John: "Woman behold your son. Son, behold your Mother." That was the moment Jesus gave His mother to mankind."
When in fact, it has nothing whatsoever to do with mariology, but is just a statement of Jesus getting John to take care of his mother, since a woman in Israel in that day, needed a husband or son to take care of her, because women did not work.
Here is the actual verse.
"When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home." John 19:26-27
I'm still in shock about this one! Do Catholics honestly believe this, and can they honestly twist the Bible to this degree??
I just looked this passage in my Catholic Bible and it says the exact thing that ESV says.
EXCEPT!!!
The footnotes try to make Mary into a "symbol of the church" and proceeds from there that this is about worshipping Mary from that moment on. Seriously using the text to support a false doctrine, rather than reading what the Bible actually says.
1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Who is the He in this verse? The He in this verse is Jesus.
Jesus told us to confess our sins to Him. I do not see anywhere in the Scriptures where Jesus said we are to confess our sins to a Catholic Priest. The Catholics have replaced Jesus with the Catholic Priest. This is an example of the Catholic Church false doctrines.
1 John 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
If Mary had said she was without sin that would make Mary a liar and lying is a sin. Mary was never born without sin. All those Catholics who claim Mary was without sin are a liar and Jesus is not in them.
These are examples of how the Catholic Church has walked away from Jesus to follow the god of this World, Satan.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Who is the He in this verse? The He in this verse is Jesus.
Jesus told us to confess our sins to Him. I do not see anywhere in the Scriptures where Jesus said we are to confess our sins to a Catholic Priest. The Catholics have replaced Jesus with the Catholic Priest. This is an example of the Catholic Church false doctrines.
1 John 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
If Mary had said she was without sin that would make Mary a liar and lying is a sin. Mary was never born without sin. All those Catholics who claim Mary was without sin are a liar and Jesus is not in them.
These are examples of how the Catholic Church has walked away from Jesus to follow the god of this World, Satan.
Wow! That is amazing. I've never heard that one before. When Jesus said, "Behold, your mother!" The verse that immediately popped into my head was the following, when Jesus was in a house and someone said, your mother and brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you and Jesus said,
"Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
That is amazing though that they would try to bend, bend into pretzel, that scripture as proof of Mary being the mother of all mankind. They do the same thing with the teaching that Mary was a perpetual virgin (poor Joseph!) claiming that the mention of Joseph and Mary's children were cousins or relatives. If that was the case, man, those cousins were following Mary all over the place, because they show up in every scripture pertaining to Jesus brothers. Didn't they have their own mother's and father's and their own homes that they had to follow Mary around all over the place?!
"Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
That is amazing though that they would try to bend, bend into pretzel, that scripture as proof of Mary being the mother of all mankind. They do the same thing with the teaching that Mary was a perpetual virgin (poor Joseph!) claiming that the mention of Joseph and Mary's children were cousins or relatives. If that was the case, man, those cousins were following Mary all over the place, because they show up in every scripture pertaining to Jesus brothers. Didn't they have their own mother's and father's and their own homes that they had to follow Mary around all over the place?!
I thought of that Scripture, too, Awatukee! Nothing like making a doctrine for billions of people based on one wrongly interpreted verse.
To say nothing of the fact that it sure doesn't correspond to Matt 12: 46-50. Hmm, I think I will go post this passage on her page too. Except she probably won't know how to interpret it without the help and approval of a Catholic theologian who has already rationalized that is has nothing to do with John 19.
To say nothing of the fact that it sure doesn't correspond to Matt 12: 46-50. Hmm, I think I will go post this passage on her page too. Except she probably won't know how to interpret it without the help and approval of a Catholic theologian who has already rationalized that is has nothing to do with John 19.
Blain,
you said something above that sounded kind of odd.
Question:
"You can be saved but not Christian?"
Your Answer:
"Yes you can be because the mark of a true believer is love not if your a Christian or Catholic"
I'm going to give you a break, and assume that maybe you were just really tired when you wrote this.
I think sometimes you mean to say a particular thing, but maybe you're tired, or on a lot of medication, and it just comes out funny.
If you want to rephrase that statement, or clarify it, I'll give you a chance to do that before I jump in.
you said something above that sounded kind of odd.
Question:
"You can be saved but not Christian?"
Your Answer:
"Yes you can be because the mark of a true believer is love not if your a Christian or Catholic"
I'm going to give you a break, and assume that maybe you were just really tired when you wrote this.
I think sometimes you mean to say a particular thing, but maybe you're tired, or on a lot of medication, and it just comes out funny.
If you want to rephrase that statement, or clarify it, I'll give you a chance to do that before I jump in.
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It's amazing though that there is over 1.2 billion of them. I remember watching this TV special on the RCC and the priest was speaking to the audience on how, after speaking with some scientists, that a quarter, though it is hard to the touch, that is, solid, he was surprised to find out that molecular make was mostly of space/air. He was attempting to use this as a teaching regarding transubstantiation of the Eucharist and how it retains its appearance, but the substance is changed into the flesh and blood of Christ. By the way, I have always said that the words, Catholic and theologian are two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence together.
I never really understand the whole "Mary was sinless" idea, like it really seems like their basing this on the fact that up until she gave birth to Christ, she was a virgin. But, that does not make you perfect. Did she also live her whole life until then without lying even once? Or had a moment where she was selfish or greedy? There is no verse that said she was perfect, only that she was a virgin when she became pregnant with the Messiah. Its a really really weird doctrine they have : /
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