Interesting insight (John 3v36) OSAS take note

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If we are not listening to the Spirit then no amount of studying will advance our walk with Him.
God is a spirit and we must worship Him in Spirit and truth.
Man has been trying to kill the word of God since forever.
The world would love to have never heard of God.


Amen!!.....The Holy Spirit Is Alive and Loves to have fellowship with His Children!.....there is nothing like it for a child of God,it’s a privilege and Honour.......for us who are saved!
 

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The person who believes and is in the warfare, ( Ephesians 6: 10-18), of resisting the world, flesh, and temptations of the devil, with good works, can confidently declare OSAS. But the person who has said "the sinners prayer" but not repented from the heart, or has fallen away (overcome), are on shaky ground. The parable of the sower, Parable of the talents, 1st. Cor. 3: 15-17, Matthew 24: 45-51, Matthew 7: 19-27, 1st. Cor. 9: 24-27, Revelation 3:5 and Rev. 22: 19, James 2: 24-26. Works do not save one, works are the proving ground that reveals what one has, is real, or not. The comfortable pew will not comfort those who have sat on it, on judgement day.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I wasn't talking about which bible you read I was talking about your stances on the Jews, the rapture and the second coming.
Lol all nonessential doctrines No ones eternal life or relationship with god is effected by those

And you know what. What says it is not you who are wrong?
 
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If we are not listening to the Spirit then no amount of studying will advance our walk with Him.
God is a spirit and we must worship Him in Spirit and truth.
Man has been trying to kill the word of God since forever.
The world would love to have never heard of God.
True
but again you talk to anyone and ask them they will say the spirit told them

The spirit can not be telling them all different things
 
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Lol all nonessential doctrines No ones eternal life or relationship with god is effected by those

And you know what. What says it is not you who are wrong?
I'm not going to argue with you about, I warned you and now I'm done.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm not going to argue with you about, I warned you and now I'm done.
lol there is no arguing anyway so go on believe as you do. That’s fine with me

But cut the attitude. And you will garner more respect
 

Just_Jo

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True
but again you talk to anyone and ask them they will say the spirit told them

The spirit can not be telling them all different things


I agree. Therefore we must make sure WE ARE lead of the Spirit and be sensitive to Him.
 

Just_Jo

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I agree it is hard to communicate with just the written word.
Those we love we take no offense in what they say,but we are a bunch of strangers .
 

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Two different words are used for believe in John 3v36. Using the KJV and Strongs concordance below:

John 3v36 KJV 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Strongs: 3:36 He that believeth 4100 5723 on 1519 the Son 5207 hath 2192 5719 everlasting 166 life 2222: and 1161 he that believeth not 544 5723 the Son 5207 shall 3700 0 not 3756 see 3700 5695 life 2222; but 235 the wrath 3709 of God 2316 abideth 3306 5719 on 1909 him 846.

- The first believeth is
Word: pisteuw
Pronounce: pist-yoo'-o
Strongs Number: G4100
Orig: from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):--believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with. G4102
Use: TDNT-6:174,849 Verb
Heb Strong: H6004 H8085
1) to have faith in, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
1a) of the thing believed
1a1) to credit, have confidence
1b) in a moral or religious reference
2) by implication, to commit or entrust, i.e. to entrust your spiritual well-being to Christ
2a) to make a commitment (to trust)
2b) to put in trust with or place confidence in

- The second believeth is
Word: apeiqew
Pronounce: ap-i-theh'-o
Strongs Number: G544
Orig: from 545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely):--not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving. G545
Use: TDNT-6:10,818 Verb
Heb Strong: H2308 H3808 H3808 H3985 H3988 H4603 H4775 H4784 H4843 H5637 H8280
1) not to allow one's self to be persuaded
1a) to refuse or withhold belief
1b) to refuse belief and obedience
2) not to comply with



There is a glaringly obvious reason why a different word is used. The first one is to put your faith in. The second one is to heed and obey what He says.
do you have a thought on SOAS ?
 
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I agree. Therefore we must make sure WE ARE lead of the Spirit and be sensitive to Him.
I agree
but we must make sure it is actually the spirit and not the enemy or our own spirit receiving us
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Typing words is a horrible way to communicate, nothing I have said has attitude.
Telling a guy you need to warn him is prideful and will be taken as having an attitude

You may not like it. But it’s true
 
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I agree
but we must make sure it is actually the spirit and not the enemy or our own spirit receiving us

What do you mean bro......”our own spirit receiving us”...?

Do you mean,make sure it’s not our own spirit talking to us?
 

Chris1975

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do you have a thought on SOAS ?
Hi CS1, most OSAS believers do not believe that obedience is involved in our salvation. They typically say all that is required is BELIEF. But what does belief entail? A head knowledge that Jesus died and rose again? Or does it mean believe in Jesus (He being the Word, inclusive of His words spoken)? If the Lord that they call Lord is seen only as a Saviour and not actually as Lord then we have a problem...... Because the Bible is filled with His commands to believers. Are the believers FREE to disobey without consequence to salvation? Is the believer who answers this in the affirmative considering Jesus as Lord? With the definition of Lord meaning master and having lordship over a servant.

So back to the OP post......lets look at the same scripture but take other translations:

NLT : And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”

ESV: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

NASB: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

ISV: The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

The above are 4 translations which seem to get it right in terms of translating the second part of the verse (The KJV and the NKJV which is my preferred translation, have this hidden in the words believe not). If we consider that the above 4 translations have it accurately translated, and the Greek shows this to be the case, then we see that OSAS has its challenge here. In that those who wilfully disobey Jesus will not inherit salvation.