Is abortion murder?

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They are just worried you will confuse new seekers I think.
Well since i am not christian, new seekers should not take what i have to say as a christian viewpoint.

and honestly, i don't see anything wrong with new seekers reading about my beliefs cuz they have the right to hear all sides of the coin and make their own decision...
 
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Nice to hear the void of spiritual matters chiming in.
Thanks 'dark'; as you have made the light seem to shine even brighter by your dark voidness.
 
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Nice to hear the void of spiritual matters chiming in.
Thanks 'dark'; as you have made the light seem to shine even brighter by your dark voidness.
Well if that is what my presence does then so be it lol

By the way: i like that "voidness" word, think i'm gonna use it :D
 
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Sorry about the side track.

Of course abortion is murder. Kind of obvious.

It would be considered murder if the father killed the fetus without the mothers consent. Everyone would be in an uproar over that. I'm not sure how the law would handle that one seeing how it would have to be hypocritical in prosecuting it.

It's funny how people say discrimination is bad. But what they really mean is that they only want you to discriminate against what they discriminate against and you must never discriminate against what they dont...

But let the mother kill the fetus without the fathers consent and not many care about that. It becomes a philosophical discussion...

What's the difference in who kills it, if abortion is not murder???
because the fetus is a part of the woman until the fetus is able to live viably on its own without the mother's physical body, it should be considered a part of the woman. for a woman to kill a fetus would be like killing a part of herself. however for a man to kill the fetus it would be assault because its not a physically attached part of him.

It would not be murder but neither would it be healthy spiritually or psychologically for the woman to undergo an abortion.
I would strongly counsel anyone contemplating it NOT to have an abortion. However I do believe that ALL babies who pass away are taken into God's arms, no matter what the cause. Children are blessings from God to us. why would people want to throw away such blessings?

Proverbs 20:7 The righteous man walks in his integrity; His children are blessed after him.

the true problem is that so many babies are made outside the blessing of marriage and the devotion of two parents and family ties. Also health care has made it that the infant mortality rate is very low that many do not value the gift of life as they once did when only 1 out of 5 babies even survived to their second year of life or to be born at all.
 
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"You knit me together in my mother's womb."
Psalm 139:13


"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
- God, Jer 1:5
 
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jimmydiggs

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If the developing little blob of soon-to-be human embryo has a soul at the time of the abortion, it is murder to have an abortion. When exactly that is is surely debatable, and I have no idea.
Scripture is pretty clear on the matter. Do you accept the authority of Scripture?

But honestly, it's hard for me to be sad when I hear about them, because heaven is a lot better than cruel life on earth.
No where in scripture does it say that all dead babies are jettisoned into heaven. It doesn't speak much on the issue, and we shouldn't speculate and presume to speak for God.
 
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No where in scripture does it say that all dead babies are jettisoned into heaven. It doesn't speak much on the issue, and we shouldn't speculate and presume to speak for God.
It also does not say they are sent to hell (which would be very wrong) so if your god is a loving god i can't believe there is even a remote possibility he would send babies to hell.
 
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hopesprings

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Amazing how self-centered and even narcissistic your god seems.

see what he did there? he made HIMSELF the only way to heaven. you cant get to heaven on good deeds or a good life. that is not what god really wants.

god just wants to be praised.

i know some people like that...i cant stand them lol
You must say this under the assumption that man has a right to exist...
 
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You must say this under the assumption that man has a right to exist...
of course not. but just cuz we have no right to exist does not give him the right to treat us any way he wants especially when we had no choice in the matter...
 
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hopesprings

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of course not. but just cuz we have no right to exist does not give him the right to treat us any way he wants especially when we had no choice in the matter...
Well...if He made us out of nothing then who can say that He doesn't have the right to do what He wants with what He's made? Which way is He treating mankind that you disagree with?
 
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It also does not say they are sent to hell (which would be very wrong) so if your god is a loving god i can't believe there is even a remote possibility he would send babies to hell.
Whether God is loving or not, isn't dependent upon what we think "loving" ought to be, rather, it is dependent upon what "loving" is.
 
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And what is it exactly that you would be blaming God about?
The fact that the absence of God leaves only evil to remain
Much the same as when light is removed only darkness exists.
Evil is not Gods fault
It is our own fault when we make the God allowed choice to resist his loving guidance and caring patience to understand him and choose the opposite of his ways of perfection instead.
He is our creator and part of the big picture is that we are nothing
.....Without him.
If one chooses the opposite of what if Love, then what is left to reap?
If one wishes to be released from what is dark and void and be brought into the warmth of his light, the choice is clear.......Christ my friend.
Just pray to him, ask him questions, talk to him, and then seek his word, thats all.

of course not. but just cuz we have no right to exist does not give him the right to treat us any way he wants especially when we had no choice in the matter...
 
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Well...if He made us out of nothing then who can say that He doesn't have the right to do what He wants with what He's made? Which way is He treating mankind that you disagree with?
Sending people to a horrible hell for simply not "accepting" him as their god.

i can understand if they have done a brutal crime. but most people have not.

mayb they dont "choose" heaven but they dont deserve hell either.

(and of course you can't treat beings with feelings any way you want for any reason watsoever)
 
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Whether God is loving or not, isn't dependent upon what we think "loving" ought to be, rather, it is dependent upon what "loving" is.
Sending innocent children to hell is not loving. That's blatantly obvious.
 
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And what is it exactly that you would be blaming God about?
The fact that the absence of God leaves only evil to remain
Much the same as when light is removed only darkness exists.
Evil is not Gods fault
It is our own fault when we make the God allowed choice to resist his loving guidance and caring patience to understand him and choose the opposite of his ways of perfection instead.
He is our creator and part of the big picture is that we are nothing
.....Without him.
If one chooses the opposite of what if Love, then what is left to reap?
If one wishes to be released from what is dark and void and be brought into the warmth of his light, the choice is clear.......Christ my friend.
Just pray to him, ask him questions, talk to him, and then seek his word, thats all.
Just cuz something appears to be good does not mean it actually is.

The choice is not so "clear" to me. i do not trust your god.

but i'm open to something that will allow me to decide otherwise...
 
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Abiding

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Sending people to a horrible hell for simply not "accepting" him as their god.

i can understand if they have done a brutal crime. but most people have not.

mayb they dont "choose" heaven but they dont deserve hell either.
(and of course you can't treat beings with feelings any way you want for any reason watsoever)
Wait last night you put your creation in hell. Why is it different now? didnt they make it that way, and you had no choice?