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Hi Red,
We don't judge our brother at all, we test them by scripture and warn our fellow brethren...you got a problemo with that?
They might not be evil people but they are deceived.
i tell you the devil has all to do with it because he likes to show off or give a big show to people having itchy ears, they have done so because they do not have a love for truth...
Falling backwards and shaking like a mad animal and all this fire stuff is NOT from our heavenly Father..
Matthew 11:29 (KJV)
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
A
i gave you two examples of being slain in the spirit. One in recognition of GOD and worship of the Great I AM. This happens throughout the Bible and when people are in prayer, which is normally done in private not in the middle of a church or gathering.
You probably like to ignore the scriptures I have given and place words in my mouth. I did not say it is all demonic but often it is. Especially when the source of people's worship is themselves, their problems or their charismatic preacher and his glory and not God's. I have not seen anywhere in the Bible that supports the practice of the preacher slaying others in the spirit, but it is often found in the occult.
Do you know what it means to truly love another and warn them even when God has told you they will spit in your face and probably turn and rip you into shreds for it and still tell them and love them anyways?
gotta love this one...." Don't be so quick to judge your brother at the drop of a hat. If none of this is true about you then encourage yourself in the Lord."
lets you say "i'm not judging you, why you getting all offended"
then you get some pseudoscientific explanation justifying why being slain in the spirit should not alarm you.
mmm...
how about we read what the Bible says about it....
1 Corinthians 14
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
searching scriptures about falling backwards....
hmmm found this one interesting...
Genesis 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, A viper by the path, That bites the horse’s heels So that its rider shall fall backward.
Isaiah 28:13
But the word of the LORD was to them, “ Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little,” That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
nope can't find any where that is a good thing....anyone find any Bible verses supporting being "slain in the spirit" as a church practice?
by the way I do not consider Benny Hinn or his Word of Faith friends to be Christian brethren but wolves scalping the sheep. I would not break bread with them and would remind everyone of Paul's warnings concerning such people.
2 Peter 2
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[d] from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
You can mark them by their love of money and lusts of this world. they promise freedom but at a price but they offer nothing but lies and deceptions.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
when does God command that you give in to your emotions? when does God tell you to stop thinking and discerning truth from lies and just "feel"?
You probably like to ignore the scriptures I have given and place words in my mouth. I did not say it is all demonic but often it is. Especially when the source of people's worship is themselves, their problems or their charismatic preacher and his glory and not God's. I have not seen anywhere in the Bible that supports the practice of the preacher slaying others in the spirit, but it is often found in the occult.
Do you know what it means to truly love another and warn them even when God has told you they will spit in your face and probably turn and rip you into shreds for it and still tell them and love them anyways?
gotta love this one...." Don't be so quick to judge your brother at the drop of a hat. If none of this is true about you then encourage yourself in the Lord."
lets you say "i'm not judging you, why you getting all offended"
then you get some pseudoscientific explanation justifying why being slain in the spirit should not alarm you.
mmm...
how about we read what the Bible says about it....
1 Corinthians 14
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
searching scriptures about falling backwards....
hmmm found this one interesting...
Genesis 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, A viper by the path, That bites the horse’s heels So that its rider shall fall backward.
Isaiah 28:13
But the word of the LORD was to them, “ Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little,” That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
nope can't find any where that is a good thing....anyone find any Bible verses supporting being "slain in the spirit" as a church practice?
by the way I do not consider Benny Hinn or his Word of Faith friends to be Christian brethren but wolves scalping the sheep. I would not break bread with them and would remind everyone of Paul's warnings concerning such people.
2 Peter 2
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[d] from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
You can mark them by their love of money and lusts of this world. they promise freedom but at a price but they offer nothing but lies and deceptions.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
when does God command that you give in to your emotions? when does God tell you to stop thinking and discerning truth from lies and just "feel"?
A
also the answer to this..."respond to God for things in their life they haven't been able to overcome or get victory over or some affliction they want desperately to be healed and free from. "
is not to be slain in the Spirit in the middle of church but prayer and intercession by the Holy Spirit as in these scriptures...
Romans 8:25-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[a] with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
do people get slain in the spirit in your church Red?
is not to be slain in the Spirit in the middle of church but prayer and intercession by the Holy Spirit as in these scriptures...
Romans 8:25-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[a] with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
do people get slain in the spirit in your church Red?
I believe it is dangerous for people to ask God to do things that are not Biblical. Whither it be "slain in the Spirit" or some other supernatural thing that is not mentioned in the Bible. I do on the other hand believe that things can happen like on the day of Pentecost or other examples in Acts. Who are we to tell God He should do it or to tell God that He cannot do it. Both ways are dangerous.
You guys are a piece of work. This is a good one...
... 'then you get some pseudoscientific explanation justifying why being slain in the spirit should not alarm you.'
Some of you just need to look at the heart and stop judging according to outward appearance. Some of you don't even know what it means to have a love that covers sin. At the cross Christ was judged for ALL sin and then He covered sin with His own blood and put it away. Some of you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a big deal about being slain in the Spirit and you probably think I practice such a thing. Tah Tah, you will never know. I wouldn't break bread with you until you repented of judging and thinking evil of your brother. One of the greatest weaknesses that women have is trying to read into things instead of being objective. They are busy-bodies with judging the motives of others and justify it with having used discernment.
... 'then you get some pseudoscientific explanation justifying why being slain in the spirit should not alarm you.'
Some of you just need to look at the heart and stop judging according to outward appearance. Some of you don't even know what it means to have a love that covers sin. At the cross Christ was judged for ALL sin and then He covered sin with His own blood and put it away. Some of you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a big deal about being slain in the Spirit and you probably think I practice such a thing. Tah Tah, you will never know. I wouldn't break bread with you until you repented of judging and thinking evil of your brother. One of the greatest weaknesses that women have is trying to read into things instead of being objective. They are busy-bodies with judging the motives of others and justify it with having used discernment.
A
no its being a hypocrite and mixing in the leaven of the Pharisees with the Gospel and pretending to practice and preach things like love but never actually listening to what anyone else says.
1 John 2:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.
Look it up and apply it to your life.
you have done nothing for the last few post but slander and insult others and curse them and then turn around and try and praise God.
any actual Bible verse Red that you practice about love and truth?
1 John 2:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him.
Look it up and apply it to your life.
you have done nothing for the last few post but slander and insult others and curse them and then turn around and try and praise God.
any actual Bible verse Red that you practice about love and truth?
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don't judge your brother, is that your mantra?
So I shouldn't say anything to friend who thinks she can be a "Christian witch" and practice New Age things and "white" magic?
Or another who wants to be a vampire and drink real blood? Or one who thinks speaking to the dead is "cool" and who are you to use the Bible to tell me the dangers of talking to familiar spirits? YOU JUDGE!
I judge no one I merely repeat the warnings in the Bible.
God judges and His words are true and should be proclaimed not hidden or excused away because it might hurt someones feelings or because someone likes lies more than God's Truth.
Outward appearance has nothing to do with it. It is not I who judge but you who ignore what has been said.
I gave the only Biblical example of being slain in the Spirit and it was when Jesus proclaimed His Divinity the great "I AM"
So when pastors like Benny Hinn wave their arms around are they proclaiming their divinity too? some of them teach that should we just remain silent and let the sheep go to the slaughter?
You can do whatever you like Red but some respect and courtesy would be appreciated. Yes we all know your sexism and dislike of women especially when they don't agree with you.
the "love that covers sin"
you love that one don't you?
How about this one?
Proverbs 28:13
He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
I have faith that God can save whom ever He chooses but I also believe God told us to have discernment so we might live our lives according to HIS wishes and His Truth not bowing to the world and making compromises because of our "feelings"
So I shouldn't say anything to friend who thinks she can be a "Christian witch" and practice New Age things and "white" magic?
Or another who wants to be a vampire and drink real blood? Or one who thinks speaking to the dead is "cool" and who are you to use the Bible to tell me the dangers of talking to familiar spirits? YOU JUDGE!
I judge no one I merely repeat the warnings in the Bible.
God judges and His words are true and should be proclaimed not hidden or excused away because it might hurt someones feelings or because someone likes lies more than God's Truth.
Outward appearance has nothing to do with it. It is not I who judge but you who ignore what has been said.
I gave the only Biblical example of being slain in the Spirit and it was when Jesus proclaimed His Divinity the great "I AM"
So when pastors like Benny Hinn wave their arms around are they proclaiming their divinity too? some of them teach that should we just remain silent and let the sheep go to the slaughter?
You can do whatever you like Red but some respect and courtesy would be appreciated. Yes we all know your sexism and dislike of women especially when they don't agree with you.
the "love that covers sin"
you love that one don't you?
How about this one?
Proverbs 28:13
He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
I have faith that God can save whom ever He chooses but I also believe God told us to have discernment so we might live our lives according to HIS wishes and His Truth not bowing to the world and making compromises because of our "feelings"
N
One of the greatest weaknesses that women have is trying to read into things instead of being objective. They are busy-bodies with judging the motives of others and justify it with having used discernment. SOME...not all. I have no desire to share anything with anyone who chooses to tar and feather someone simply for what they beleive , which is ALL you get in here, not the love your talkin about, and righteous judgement.....COME ON.....its a joke in here, doesnt exist. This isnt directed at you RED, just the statement you presented, I ceased caring long ago about peoples opinion because thats all you get OPINION-when all else fails, READ THE BIBLE. Anybody can twist anything, say anything to seemingly make it sound like what they want it to be, its done every day, Go to the source in prayer, works for me.
It is some and not all. I get perturbed with those (man or woman), including myself, who keep going after and mocking other believers who have certain practices in their faith or who continuously chide and demonize those who have contributed certain doctrines of the faith that they disagree with. I have been guilty of it myself in a measure and it is easy to get caught up in it. It is not godly and it does not magnify Christ or edify the church. When you give it back to those who continuously go after others they get reactionary and don't like it. That's how I have treated some and have said things on purpose knowing it might rub them the wrong way. If any believer practices their faith based upon a certain understanding from the scriptures that does not line up with how we practice our faith, we must always look at the heart and not the practice.
We live among and in a society of people who are so quick to judge the actions and offenses of another and never consider through the mercy of God why they could have acted or offended in such a way. We are often not acclimated toward them with mercy and grace even though we endeavor to be and when we fail in that we must go to God and freely receive grace toward ourselves and by faith freely give it to others. That takes a disciplined mind and heart in the grace of God to keep that kind of love active through the Holy Spirit toward others. We could fail in doing that 100 times in a day but we have to keep going after God not matter what and let God's word through mercy and grace convert and transform us and if our heart condemns us in the process, God is always greater then our heart.
We live among and in a society of people who are so quick to judge the actions and offenses of another and never consider through the mercy of God why they could have acted or offended in such a way. We are often not acclimated toward them with mercy and grace even though we endeavor to be and when we fail in that we must go to God and freely receive grace toward ourselves and by faith freely give it to others. That takes a disciplined mind and heart in the grace of God to keep that kind of love active through the Holy Spirit toward others. We could fail in doing that 100 times in a day but we have to keep going after God not matter what and let God's word through mercy and grace convert and transform us and if our heart condemns us in the process, God is always greater then our heart.
Red,
We ought to judge them by the words that comes out of their mouths..
John 7:24 (KJV)
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
1 Corinthians 2:15 (KJV)
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Proverbs 14:15 (KJV)
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Proverbs 27:12 (KJV)
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.
Let us not be naive here.
We ought to judge them by the words that comes out of their mouths..
John 7:24 (KJV)
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
1 Corinthians 2:15 (KJV)
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Proverbs 14:15 (KJV)
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Proverbs 27:12 (KJV)
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.
Let us not be naive here.
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back to the topic at hand: being slain in the Spirit is it biblical
arguments for
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/slain-in-the-spirit/
Arguments against from the Alliance of Biblical Pentecostals
"SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT": WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY
read them, read the Bible pray about it, decide for yourself.
there are of course more articles and more discussion but these at least give you some Bible verses to support their views. anyway we can discuss the articles and the Bible verses cited if you like.
arguments for
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/slain-in-the-spirit/
Arguments against from the Alliance of Biblical Pentecostals
"SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT": WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY
read them, read the Bible pray about it, decide for yourself.
there are of course more articles and more discussion but these at least give you some Bible verses to support their views. anyway we can discuss the articles and the Bible verses cited if you like.
You can judge the spirit of a man without judging the man. For example: If you judge that a man has a spirit of fear what do you do? Do you judge him for having that spirit or do you edify him with a spirit of love and a sound mind (2Tim 1:7, 1Jn 4:17,18). Give him what he lacks without judging him for what he has given place to. God calls and faith looks at things that are not as though they were (Rom 4:17, Heb 11:1) and that is how we build others up, by giving of our supply to fill up that which is lacking (1Cor 12:25, 16:17, 1Thes 3:10, 4:12, Jm 1:5, Col 4:5). If a man is overtaken through a spirit of pride what can be done with this man? Do we judge him for his pride or do we function in the love of God and believe all things and let the plan of God humble him in the details of life so that he will respond to God and receive grace (1Pt 5:5, Jm 4:6). This has nothing to do with being naive but has to do with freely giving to others what we have freely received from God (1Cor 2:12, Mt 10:8).
This is the best I can contribute to this thread.
I saw two children run to their father in fear all over them and they asked their father... DAD WHY DO THAT MAN KILL THE PEOPLE!... Now even if those kids never saw something like that before, no child was EVER fearful in the presense of the Holy Spirit! That should be enough said.
Paul fell to the ground, but like all the others it would be on his FACE DOWN, to be in a submissive and worshipping posture! This falling on the back only happened once in the Bible... when a king heard both his sons died in the war, and he fell back breaking his neck and also died!
CJ, when the people came to fetch Jesus they STEPPED BACKWARDS and fell down. AGAIN in submittance! Yet Jesus let them arrest Him, setting His disciples free first!
This fallin is a showmanship by false teachers to sell Jesus to other people! It is disorderly and evil and false! Let the Holy Spirit catch them not ushers! Be original at least! LEt me tell you if I am an usher and i let one person drop, do you think that person will fall again? NO! It is a show man, and really foolish!
I saw two children run to their father in fear all over them and they asked their father... DAD WHY DO THAT MAN KILL THE PEOPLE!... Now even if those kids never saw something like that before, no child was EVER fearful in the presense of the Holy Spirit! That should be enough said.
Paul fell to the ground, but like all the others it would be on his FACE DOWN, to be in a submissive and worshipping posture! This falling on the back only happened once in the Bible... when a king heard both his sons died in the war, and he fell back breaking his neck and also died!
CJ, when the people came to fetch Jesus they STEPPED BACKWARDS and fell down. AGAIN in submittance! Yet Jesus let them arrest Him, setting His disciples free first!
This fallin is a showmanship by false teachers to sell Jesus to other people! It is disorderly and evil and false! Let the Holy Spirit catch them not ushers! Be original at least! LEt me tell you if I am an usher and i let one person drop, do you think that person will fall again? NO! It is a show man, and really foolish!