Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?

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What happen in the history if catholic install pope as a law maker, killing, cheating, sale indulgence and more criminal act
The Pope doesn't add to the deposit of Faith he guards it. The teaching of the Catholic Church aren't clever intellectual concoctions designed to keep the faithful captives unable to think for themselves. They are explanations of Grace received through obedience to the commands of Christ.
 

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Show me the verse
He gives particular truth to individuals and universal truth to His Church. The Holy Spirit will guide only one Church to alltruth
Show me when Jesus say that.
My brother, all you say above is what catholic lie to you, to make you believe in RCC and not Jesus.
Catholic is pagan religion, but constantin have brilliant strategy to attract Christian

How to make Christian not obey Jesus.

1. Persecute them
2. Persecution not work for some than use this strategy
A. Tell them that RCC believe Jesus as god but

B. To make them not obey Jesus, lie to them that Jesus give authority to pope

And pope do Satan agenda.

So the end of the day this people support lucifer
No wonder pope promote lucifer agenda, new world order
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion

To make you believe
 

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The Pope doesn't add to the deposit of Faith he guards it.
She lie to you. Pope add it, pope add purgatory, pray to Mary etc. pope not guard it but try to destroy it.
Lucifer agenda can be see from the history of killing Christian, robing America with federal reserve etc.
 
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This is flatly contradictory to Scripture. Jesus is the advocate, as 1 John 2 tells us. You need to remove the blinders of your own erroneous beliefs and simply accept what the Scripture plainly states.

Yes a advocate, not a daysman/ Pope. (fleshy infallible teacher) One is our Teacher not seen. He alone is worthy to open the seals

.Jesus learned from the father just as us. In regard to that he informs us His flesh profits for zero .Many disciples walked away. There hope was that the flesh could profit.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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The Holy Spirit our comforter and guide who lovingly works in us and commands us to studying seeking His approval . Not just a good suggestion or one that must be given over to a legion of fathers

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


He is obviously absent from Catholicism .they must at all costs seek the approval of the legion of fathers after another authority (oral traditions) other than sola scriptura the Sacred tradition of God .

Who is your teacher?

John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
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The problem is that the passage referred to Jesus by name. I would agree that it is a Trinitarian passage. Job 9 is looking forward in time to Christ. Your whole hermeneutic is backwards and upside down. Jesus is on every page in the OT. And if you miss that fact you will land in theism at worst or Unitarianism at best. This is how the historical church has read scripture. It’s consistent everywhere because it’s true.
No one said the Holy Spirit was absent in the Old testament .He is on every page.

The historical church as the bride of Christ is first mentioned in respect to born again Abel .God had Mercy and Grace on him.

Abel is the first recorded martyr of the church .He was murdered by his faithless brother.

The church reads scripture as the Holy Spirit works in the to both will and do his good pleasure.

He warns us of those who would seduce us to beleive we do need a man seen to teach us.
 

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Yes a advocate, not a daysman/ Pope. (fleshy infallible teacher) One is our Teacher not seen. He alone is worthy to open the seals
You're still contradicting Scripture. Here are the relevant parts of Revelation 5:

1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
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11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:

“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”

13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”

14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.


JESUS is the Lamb. JESUS is the Lion of Judah. JESUS was slain (and rose again). JESUS took the scroll from the Father.
 

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The Pope doesn't add to the deposit of Faith he guards it.
That's meaningless bafflegab. The pope is nothing but the figurehead of a false religious organization. The only thing he protects is the interests of the Catholic organization.
 
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Catholic is pagan religion, but constantin have brilliant strategy to attract Christian
What makes it pagan?Remember Paul taught the worshippers of a pagan God that their god was the God he worshipped. Is Paul introducing paganism into Christian worship? Have you studied how the pagan religions were converted to Christ? If the answer is no you are parroting the minds of others.
 
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She lie to you. Pope add it, pope add purgatory, pray to Mary etc. pope not guard it but try to destroy i
Yet you can't successfully refute any of it. Apparently the Catholic Church is guilty until proven guilty.
 
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The Holy Spirit our comforter and guide who lovingly works in us and commands us to studying seeking His approval . Not just a good suggestion or one that must be given over to a legion of fathers

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


He is obviously absent from Catholicism .they must at all costs seek the approval of the legion of fathers after another authority (oral traditions) other than sola scriptura the Sacred tradition of God .

Who is your teacher?

John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So divine authority is sola scriptura according to you. That authority remains in the Holy Spirit according to you. How is the authority of God exercised on earth?
 
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That's meaningless bafflegab. The pope is nothing but the figurehead of a false religious organization. The only thing he protects is the interests of the Catholic organization.
So you say:rolleyes:
 
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John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
That is not possible for you since you turn your face from that inspired remembrance. The Sacred Tradition which is the memory of the Church.
 

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What makes it pagan?Remember Paul taught the worshippers of a pagan God that their god was the God he worshipped. Is Paul introducing paganism into Christian worship? Have you studied how the pagan religions were converted to Christ? If the answer is no you are parroting the minds of others.
Paul do not say Rome pagan worship Christian God. Rome pagan worship lucifer, that is why Pope promote one world government, that is lucifer government.
 
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Paul do not say Rome pagan worship Christian God.
Acts 17
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
 

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Acts 17
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
1. Paul not say Roman god is Christian God.
2. Paul not teach purgatory
3. Paul not teach pray to mary
 

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Yet you can't successfully refute any of it. Apparently the Catholic Church is guilty until proven guilty.
Catholic proven teach pagan believed like purgatory, pray to Mary, do evil agenda ex history of killing Christian and Jews
Behind holocaust
http://chinhnghia.com/TheVaticansHolocaust.pdf

And prepare for the big lucifer plan new world order.
 

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That is not possible for you since you turn your face from that inspired remembrance. The Sacred Tradition which is the memory of the Church.
Inspired remembrance?

The Sacred Tradition as a oral tradition of sinful men is the private interpretation of faithless fathers. . . that calls all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) heresy .

God brings to our mind the things he has taught us . he warns of men who claim to be devine source of faith.

John14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Attributing the things that belong to our unseen Holy Father to corruptible sinners on earth is simply faithless blasphemy.

You simply as a law of your fathers must follow another written authority that makes all thing written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) without effect. Even listing first in their private interpretation things that come from their own mouth making the word of God without effect .

No man can serve two teaching masters both the flesh of mankind and the unseen Holy Spirt of our one Father.

The Catholic book of their law ....# 80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

Sola scriptura lovingly commands us to seek the approval of our one Father in heaven. It is made to no effect by those who must seek the approval of man