Is Charismatic A Cult?

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I liked what trofimus said...


"I think that many charismatic churches and leaders, prophets etc are behaving exactly like a cult.
There are some charismatic churches that behave "normally", but I think they are a minority."


I have had no experience with the Charismatic churches in Europe. But here in the United States I have had plenty.


garee said...


"There are no outward sign gifts that we could perform as a way of proving we have the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God."


This is very definitely not true. They only way you can take this as true is to ignore most of what Paul wrote and the latter half of Acts.


I would turn your attention to Kathryn Kuhlman. I think it was 1971 when I saw her at the Shrine Auditorium in California. I witnesses about half of the people there being healed. That is a very conservative estimate. The Shrine holds about 6,000 people. So I saw well over 3,000 people healed that afternoon from various diseases and disorders. A large pile of back-braces, wheelchairs, and various medical paraphernalia were piled in the back, no longer needed.


Although many theories have been submitted about what she did, no one has been able to prove or duplicate her results.


Kathryn Kuhlman has said repeatedly that she has never healed anyone. It is God through His Holy Spirit that makes this possible.


During the 60s she had a television show where she would interview people who had been healed at her services. She has also written books. I Believe In Miracles I think was the best of them.


You can offer a theory if you like, but I warn you, you might be called on to prove it.
Aunt Katy was a bit eccentric, but the whole family loved her. (She was my grandfather's cousin.)
 

nowyouseem033

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I would not say charismatics are a cult. But I would certainly question some of there doctrinal teachings. There is certainly hints of new age teachings of positive thinking and tapping into the force type stuff. Also repeating mantras and speaking over your life or someone else life as if you had power to do so?
But overall NO since on the foundations they believe the gospel.
 
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I would not say charismatics are a cult. But I would certainly question some of there doctrinal teachings. There is certainly hints of new age teachings of positive thinking and tapping into the force type stuff. Also repeating mantras and speaking over your life or someone else life as if you had power to do so?
But overall NO since on the foundations they believe the gospel.
We have no "power", but we DO have the authority to do so.
 
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hey BigD

any change you could avail yourself of the quote button?

it sure would help to define what you respond to and also what your response is

much appreciated
 
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kaylagrl

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i was wondering if it is since i have always thought that it is a bit... different (in a bad way)

any opinions on this?
Depends on what you mean by "charismatic"
 
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LaurenTM

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Well fact is that everything can be turned into a cult. I dont see the charismatic movement (well it stopped moving) as a cult. It was a awakening time before the great fall away thats coming now.. thats how I see it.
stopped moving

perhaps when it began to expand sideways into none godly manifestations?

good observation imo
 

Demi777

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We have no "power", but we DO have the authority to do so.
Exacly. we have the authority over all the powers of the enemy so I dont see anything in conflict of speaking Gods will into someones life and debunking the will of the enemy.
 

JaumeJ

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I will always love the home groups who are called charismatic because the ones with which I have been blessed to fellowship attempt to follow the Word as closely as possible, no wavering, no denial of scripture or the power of God working through His Children.

God has not changed, people have. I do stay away from labeling these folks as a denomination becuse of their genuine desire to please the Lord, and this is more than so many named denominations do.

I praise God for and thank Him for those called this who practice as described in this post, they are dear children and family in Jesus Christ.........
 

Demi777

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stopped moving

perhaps when it began to expand sideways into none godly manifestations?

good observation imo
was there anything that God did that the enemy didnt copy? lol as soon as God lets something happen the enemy jumps in and changes stuff and makes branches for himself.. For me it seems just like that.
 

Socreta93

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No I go to a pentecostal church and they are not. I can see why some may see it that way buy it just has to do with the culture. I go to a Spanish church and that's how they act. Not me but that's the culture. They teach the same motto "we teach Jesus not religion"
 
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was there anything that God did that the enemy didnt copy? lol as soon as God lets something happen the enemy jumps in and changes stuff and makes branches for himself.. For me it seems just like that.

well the devil cannot create life...he only mimics it in a dead end kind of way

but I do agree that whenever there is a genuine move of God...even a single persons' life...the devil will send in the troops to deceive, lie and exaggerate...just like in the garden

at my age, I have seen that many times...which is why teachers in truth are so badly needed
 
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are you aware that upon conversion, we are sealed with the Spirit of God?
Hi thanks for the reply and opportunity to voice my opinion.

I hope I did not offend you. I see that sealing a little diferently I offer my private interpretation of what I believe he is teaching me. Hoping like any other person who has an opinion as a personal commentary. I think in that way we all stand on fallow ground knowing His kingdom is not of this world...... we walk by the faith that comes from hearing His voice. Knowing He is no longer bring any new revelations adding to His interpretation to us for over two thousand years. We are to study according to the loving commandment to show oneself approved of God and not looking for the approval of men, Christs nemesis.

Yes. I believe that work of sealing us as new born again creatures is a work of Christ‘s faith, as it works mutually in all believers. A belief not coming from us as if we were the author of salvation that does live in these earthen bodies of death..

In another words the hearing of faith is not of our hearts or thoughts coming from our will. But the authority to hear God not seen is of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God, again as a work His faith, that mutually works in all.

God remains without form

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

No man is in the place of the Holy Spirit of God, called a daysman in the scriptures or some today call a Pope to be used as a infallible interpreter set between God and man. .

God is not part of this corruption. He has no flesh; we do not now him after any rudiment of this world.


what is corrupted, is YOUR personal view that the Holy Spirit has left town...you appear to see Him as some sort of addition to your personal belief system.
No, my view can be flawed but we all live in a corrupted body. Christ, the holy anointing Spirit of God is the same sealing source as the mutual spirit of Christ’s faith as a gift given to all believers. Sealing them with eternal life by freely giving a new spirt that will never die. It comes and effect two as the apostles is moved by the will of to perform the meat of His word. it is a gift to that apostles that he might bring the thoughts of God to another edifying two never to deify one

Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. Rom 1:10

That faith is of Christ the living abiding word.

Remember the warning as to the antichrist motive of operation that says fallible men must teach us.(all men are fallible) Christ said rather; as it teaches us we abide in Him.

The gospel in a nut shell as to its authority is from a exclusive faith generated by Christ by which we can believe God not seen, to that same faith that he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness to us.

That kind of work that makes up the gospel is recognized from faith (the work of God ) to the same faith as it is written. Therefore I believe as Christians we live by His faith that mutually works in us and not that of our own selves.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the “righteousness of God” revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:16

He takes orders from God....not us
Amen....I agree!

I hope this helps explain my private interpretation as another way of looking at things?
 
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Any named denomination is in question of being a cult if it has not been named in the Word of God.

The only one not suspect is not actually a denomination, it is the Word of God with the Faith of Abraham as taught us all by Jesus Christ.

Ask yourself.......were the disciples and Jesus categorized within the parameters of any given denomnational doctrine(s)?
We cannot judge peoples opinions as if they were a source for others to believe God . No man is in the place of God. But if there opinion (heresy) denies the grace of Christ that brought them by adding something they could do to add to it , it could be damnable and we could try and commune with them.


We can love them perhaps by offering a study together. We never know we could be entertaining a messenger of God who could have a need or have one to give to us . His gifts, not seen always involve two.

Not all heresy. The Greek word we get sect or denomination as opinions of men are damnable.

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


No they were in a denomination themselves. There were many sects at the time of Christ came and many before .and there are now in Jerusalem . No such thing as non denominational . The kingdom of God is not of this world .

If it was then we could walk after signs performed by doing something what men think is religious and say that is evidence Christ, is with me .

But again that would be a sign for those who do not have faith as those who walk after there own experiences.Signs for the rebels . Prophecy for the believer.
 

trofimus

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Just to make it clear:

Is there anyone who says charismatic/pentecostal movement is not a cult and is not a charismatic himself?

Its quite understandable that charismatics will say they are not a cult...
 

notuptome

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Still looking for the criteria by which we shall measure the cult worthiness of the subject matter.

Of course no one in a cult ever defines themselves as being in a cult. Only when they leave do they take the position that they were in a cult.

For the cause of Christ
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garee;2869656]Hi thanks for the reply and opportunity to voice my opinion.

my response in this color

I hope I did not offend you. I see that sealing a little diferently I offer my private interpretation of what I believe he is teaching me. Hoping like any other person who has an opinion as a personal commentary. I think in that way we all stand on fallow ground knowing His kingdom is not of this world...... we walk by the faith that comes from hearing His voice. Knowing He is no longer bring any new revelations adding to His interpretation to us for over two thousand years. We are to study according to the loving commandment to show oneself approved of God and not looking for the approval of men, Christs nemesis.

actually, I think offense may lie in truth not having it's day, but anyway

private interpretation is not actually a biblical concept..granted many seem to reflect that as an option



Yes. I believe that work of sealing us as new born again creatures is a work of Christ‘s faith, as it works mutually in all believers. A belief not coming from us as if we were the author of salvation that does live in these earthen bodies of death..

In another words the hearing of faith is not of our hearts or thoughts coming from our will. But the authority to hear God not seen is of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God, again as a work His faith, that mutually works in all.

God remains without form

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

No man is in the place of the Holy Spirit of God, called a daysman in the scriptures or some today call a Pope to be used as a infallible interpreter set between God and man. .

God is not part of this corruption. He has no flesh; we do not now him after any rudiment of this world.


No, my view can be flawed but we all live in a corrupted body. Christ, the holy anointing Spirit of God is the same sealing source as the mutual spirit of Christ’s faith as a gift given to all believers. Sealing them with eternal life by freely giving a new spirt that will never die. It comes and effect two as the apostles is moved by the will of to perform the meat of His word. it is a gift to that apostles that he might bring the thoughts of God to another edifying two never to deify one


for some reason, you have made a basically simple understanding, complicated and yet it does not reflect understanding according to the word...without meaning to offend, is English your first language?

Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. Rom 1:10

That faith is of Christ the living abiding word.

Remember the warning as to the antichrist motive of operation that says fallible men must teach us.(all men are fallible) Christ said rather; as it teaches us we abide in Him.

The gospel in a nut shell as to its authority is from a exclusive faith generated by Christ by which we can believe God not seen, to that same faith that he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness to us.

That kind of work that makes up the gospel is recognized from faith (the work of God ) to the same faith as it is written. Therefore I believe as Christians we live by His faith that mutually works in us and not that of our own selves.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the “righteousness of God” revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:16



Amen....I agree!

I hope this helps explain my private interpretation as another way of looking at things?

actually, while it may explain what you think, it surely does not accurately reflect scripture


Christ, the holy anointing Spirit of God


Jesus is not the Holy Spirit

Do you perceive Him as the Holy Spirit or as the Son of God?
 
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Just to make it clear:

Is there anyone who says charismatic/pentecostal movement is not a cult and is not a charismatic himself?

Its quite understandable that charismatics will say they are not a cult...


do you know what the characteristics of a cult actually are?

some here seem to think cult status is reflected in the views of those who disagree or perhaps have a different and more fulfilling walk with God
 
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