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To the thread title question - Yes & no.
Before the N.T. - Israel knew this was the 'healing of their souls' - so in that regard, every true believer's soul has been healed of spirit separation & sin by His Stripes. That's always God's will for every individual.
I'd have to say, 'no' to the physical healing of all though. He uses infirmities to do a different or greater work through infirmities as well. But heals for His Own Glory when that's His will with that one individual.
I don't go to the chat room - so I don't know who were argued against, Sis - but that's all that I know regarding what 'healed' meant back then and what Christ showed since.
Peace to you, purchased through the 'chastisement' that He received because He so loved the whole world.
Before the N.T. - Israel knew this was the 'healing of their souls' - so in that regard, every true believer's soul has been healed of spirit separation & sin by His Stripes. That's always God's will for every individual.
I'd have to say, 'no' to the physical healing of all though. He uses infirmities to do a different or greater work through infirmities as well. But heals for His Own Glory when that's His will with that one individual.
I don't go to the chat room - so I don't know who were argued against, Sis - but that's all that I know regarding what 'healed' meant back then and what Christ showed since.
Peace to you, purchased through the 'chastisement' that He received because He so loved the whole world.
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What is the purpose of Healing in the new
[h=1]Ezekiel 47:12King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
[h=1]Ezekiel 47:12King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
I don't think he was or is being self-righteous in his reply.. God chooses not to heal some people..case closed..it's not for us to understand why. I would not say he is "wearing his infirmity". He seems to be ok with being infirm, just as I'm okay with not being healed because I know God has a reason for why he hasn't healed me. 
Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
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I don't think he was or is being self-righteous in his reply.. God chooses not to heal some people..case closed..it's not for us to understand why. I would not say he is "wearing his infirmity". He seems to be ok with being infirm, just as I'm okay with not being healed because I know God has a reason for why he hasn't healed me. Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
How would you know the reason is of and from God or the reason is because of someone lack of faith ?
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We prayed very hard and for a long time for a family member.....she had suffered for a long time .....when she passed away, on a one of her good days.....we were shocked because we thought she had been getting better......someone asked, "Why didn't God heal her"......and the answer was......"He Did! When He took her home." Everyone has an appointed time to pass on....God is in control of that. He does heal people while they are still here on earth....the ultimate healing is when we get our new bodies, in Christ!!
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The issue at hand is stating that God desires you to be sickly and poor and that is not found anywhere in scripture.
In fact it is completely refuted in scripture. TO interpret God in this age, we must look at Jesus and Jesus was not poor nor was he sickly.
The largest lie the devil has on the church is the the one that says I must be poor and sickly as service to God. That is not persecution or trials, it is nothing more than self righteousness
In fact it is completely refuted in scripture. TO interpret God in this age, we must look at Jesus and Jesus was not poor nor was he sickly.
The largest lie the devil has on the church is the the one that says I must be poor and sickly as service to God. That is not persecution or trials, it is nothing more than self righteousness
Somebody could have the biggest, strongest faith in the world that they will be healed, and yet it may not happen. As I stated in my previous reply, only GOD knows why he heals some and not others. Someone's faith, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant to whether God heals them or not. Of course it's always good to have faith, but I don't think getting healed is dependent on it.
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[h=1]Matthew 9:20-24King James Version (KJV)[/h]20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
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I don't think he was or is being self-righteous in his reply.. God chooses not to heal some people..case closed..it's not for us to understand why. I would not say he is "wearing his infirmity". He seems to be ok with being infirm, just as I'm okay with not being healed because I know God has a reason for why he hasn't healed me. Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
Elf3 is not honoring or petting anything, especially his self-righteousness, because he's not being self righteous! LOL. Nor is he being all "woe and poe" as you call it. There's a lotta self-righteous people in these forums but I dont think elf3 is one of them..
Allow me to make a metaphor, if I may. When Jesus on the cross, was suffering unexpressable pain and fear, God could have chosen to save him, to make the people change their minds and not crucify him after all. But he didn't. Why? Because Jesus needed to die to fulfill God's plan. Don't you think God would have loved to spare Jesus all that suffering, being stripped and whipped and beaten, having nails shoved through his flesh?!! Of course he would. But he didn't because JESUS' DEATH was part of his plan. Illness, sickness, death--it is ALL part of God's plan for us!! Of course he wants us to be healthy and whole, BUT for that to be possible, he would have had to make us perfectly and he didn't.
He allows healing to some of us, but not to others. He does not "desire us to be sickly and poor", but that's exactly what Jesus was on the cross: sickly and poor!! I think God knows what he's doing alot better than you do, and I believe he knows who's journey with him would grow closer by being healed, and whose would not.
He allows healing to some of us, but not to others. He does not "desire us to be sickly and poor", but that's exactly what Jesus was on the cross: sickly and poor!! I think God knows what he's doing alot better than you do, and I believe he knows who's journey with him would grow closer by being healed, and whose would not.
I believe faith CAN play a part in being healed. I stated that it's not always dependent on faith whether a person can be healed. Ask someone with super-strong faith that has been ill for the last 40 years why they arent healed yet, even though their faith is on super-boost. Sometimes God's answer is NO. And we are to accept that.