Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[newcovenantchristian]

What the author of this thread doesn't understand is that Christ died for all our sin, past, present and future as Heb ch 9 clearly explains, and in Heb 10 14 it states

For by one sacrifice he has made FOREVER PERFECT those who ar BEING MADE HOLY

THAT PROVES CHRIST DIED FOR ALL OUR SIN, FOR OTHERWISE WE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE FOREVER PERFECT, WHILE WE ARE YET SINNERS(BEING MADE HOLY)

Now, he also doesn't understand the new covenant, because God did this for us(Christ paying the price of ALL OUR SIN), he then put by the Spirit his good and holy laws he would have us keep on our hearts and minds, in other words, we want to obey, but the battle is spirit against flesh. The battle is won(though it is a lifetimes process of ever more change) when we look to Christ and trust in him to change us by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, something the author of this thread never mentions
Well if you don't mention the Spirit there's no sanctification, so you can look to the literal law as much as you want, it ain't gonna help you.
And the battle is what it always has been, look to Christ, trust in him and totally rely on the Holy Spiirit for yoUr sanctification FOR IF YOU ARE DOING THIS YOU ARE NOT AT THE SAME TIME SEEKING TO FULFILL THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH, none of this have I read from the authors writings, he just wants people to fix their eyes on the literal law. Oh I hope no one listens to him, so so many tell people how they must live, but don't seem to understand how it is to be achieved. We are under a new covenant but many in effect want the old one or a hybrid covenant but as Jesus said

No one after drinking the old wine wants the new, for he says the old is better

 

[Eccl12and13]

What the author of this thread doesn't understand is that Christ died for all our sin, past, present and future as Heb ch 9 clearly explains, and in Heb 10 14 it states

For by one sacrifice he has made FOREVER PERFECT those who ar BEING MADE HOLY

THAT PROVES CHRIST DIED FOR ALL OUR SIN, FOR OTHERWISE WE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE FOREVER PERFECT, WHILE WE ARE YET SINNERS(BEING MADE HOLY)

Now, he also doesn't understand the new covenant, because God did this for us(Christ paying the price of ALL OUR SIN), he then put by the Spirit his good and holy laws he would have us keep on our hearts and minds, in other words, we want to obey, but the battle is spirit against flesh. The battle is won(though it is a lifetimes process of ever more change) when we look to Christ and trust in him to change us by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, something the author of this thread never mentions
Well if you don't mention the Spirit there's no sanctification, so you can look to the literal law as much as you want, it ain't gonna help you.
And the battle is what it always has been, look to Christ, trust in him and totally rely on the Holy Spiirit for yoUr sanctification FOR IF YOU ARE DOING THIS YOU ARE NOT AT THE SAME TIME SEEKING TO FULFILL THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH, none of this have I read from the authors writings, he just wants people to fix their eyes on the literal law. Oh I hope no one listens to him, so so many tell people how they must live, but don't seem to understand how it is to be achieved. We are under a new covenant but many in effect want the old one or a hybrid covenant but as Jesus said

No one after drinking the old wine wants the new, for he says the old is better

Just want to confirm; You do not believe that keeping God's laws and commandments are needed to receive eternal life! Would that be correct?



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[Eccl12and13]

So readers.....let me ask these questions;



When a person decides to give their life to Christ and follow in the path of the Lord is there a change in that person?

And if there is a change....what type of change is it?

Also.....if there is a change, then why is there a change?


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[newcovenantchristian]

Just want to confirm; You do not believe that keeping God's laws and commandments are needed to receive eternal life! Would that be correct?



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You'll never understand this will you. Because eternal life does NOT HINGE on obediance to laws/commandments the law/commands that God would have us keep are better upheld in a persons life. Simple really, if you understand grace, which from your comments I don't think you do

 

[Eccl12and13]

Matt.5
[14] Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
[15] Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
[16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jesus tells us to let our light shine.

Readers....just what light is Jesus talking about here?

For a light to shine and for men to see that light it MUST be something visual that is being asked of us, is it not?

Can men see your faith? Can a person tell that another have faith without the person claiming to have faith performing some sort of visual action?

Can you see a change in faith or, is it because a person has done as Jesus instructed and let their faith be seen through their actions that their faith is made known?


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[newcovenantchristian]

Matt.5
[14] Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
[15] Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
[16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jesus tells us to let our light shine.

Readers....just what light is Jesus talking about here?

For a light to shine and for men to see that light it MUST be something visual that is being asked of us, is it not?

Can men see your faith? Can a person tell that another have faith without the person claiming to have faith performing some sort of visual action?

Can you see a change in faith or, is it because a person has done as Jesus instructed and let their faith be seen through their actions that their faith is made known?


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So, how do you think a person becoms more holy, more obediant, sins less?

 

[newcovenantchristian]

Matt.5
[14] Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
[15] Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
[16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jesus tells us to let our light shine.

Readers....just what light is Jesus talking about here?

For a light to shine and for men to see that light it MUST be something visual that is being asked of us, is it not?

Can men see your faith? Can a person tell that another have faith without the person claiming to have faith performing some sort of visual action?

Can you see a change in faith or, is it because a person has done as Jesus instructed and let their faith be seen through their actions that their faith is made known?


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Can I ask? In your heart, do you take any credit for your Christianity/continued Christianity? Or do you get down on your knees and praise God for the change he brings to your life?
Is the glory all his? Or does some of the credit go to you?

 

[Eccl12and13]

Matt.5
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus tells us that no part of the law will pass until there is no earth or heaven. We still have a earth...and we know that Jesus now dwells in heaven sitting at the right hand of the Father, so we know there is yet an heaven.

So that means there are still laws that man is to keep. And why are men to keep God's laws? Let's read...

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Now....the question is this;

Did Jesus lie when He said that keeping His commandments were needed for eternal life?

Will you believe the one that will judge you?

Or will you be swayed into believing those that teach that God's laws are not a requirement for eternal life.

Let's read once again the words of the one that will judge ALL of mankind;

Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It's pretty clear what Jesus wants us to do.....



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[Eccl12and13]

Can I ask? In your heart, do you take any credit for your Christianity/continued Christianity? Or do you get down on your knees and praise God for the change he brings to your life?
Is the glory all his? Or does some of the credit go to you?

ALL of the glory goes to Him. I thank God for giving me the knowledge, wisdom and understanding to know that keeping His laws is something that is needed for eternal life.

Had He not opened my eyes I would have still been doing those things that are not pleasing to Him. I received this knowledge the same way Paul did....

By reading God's laws and commandments. And just as Paul, once I knew what sin truly was...I taught others that to sin is to disobey God.

Something I attempt to do on the forums I participate on.


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[newcovenantchristian]

Matt.5
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus tells us that no part of the law will pass until there is no earth or heaven. We still have a earth...and we know that Jesus now dwells in heaven sitting at the right hand of the Father, so we know there is yet an heaven.

So that means there are still laws that man is to keep. And why are men to keep God's laws? Let's read...

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Now....the question is this;

Did Jesus lie when He said that keeping His commandments were needed for eternal life?

Will you believe the one that will judge you?

Or will you be swayed into believing those that teach that God's laws are not a requirement for eternal life.

Let's read once again the words of the one that will judge ALL of mankind;

Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It's pretty clear what Jesus wants us to do.....



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Only thing is I'm a Gentile, those laws were never given to me, but if your set on obeying them all go right ahead

 

[newcovenantchristian]

Hang on a minute, I just thought of something.

Paul's mission was mainly to Gentiles, why would he be telling them they had to keep all of the Jewish laws apart from burnt offrings? That's wrong

And of course when the very question of which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep was discussed at the council in Jerusalem , at which were present Peter, James and many of Christ's followers it was decided the Gentiles be asked to keep only four Jewish laws, Three of which it is fair to say were To appease Jewish legalist who had been Pharisees
So how could Paul then be telling Genile converts they had to kep all the Jewish laws apart from Burnt offerings

YOU BEEN PORKY PIEING!!!!!

 

[chesser]

I agree.... No one in God's kingdom will be disobedient. But that question is, Is being obedient needed to GET into God's kingdom?

Thanks for reading.
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dont really think it matters, its like the triangular square question.
What if someone who has accepted christ is disobidient? ..................................................... What if someone had a triangular square?
Thats impossible ............................. is = to: ....................................................................... Thats impossible
yes, but WHAT IF!!? .................................................................................. But WHAT IF!!?

 

[Eccl12and13]

Hang on a minute, I just thought of something.

Paul's mission was mainly to Gentiles, why would he be telling them they had to keep all of the Jewish laws apart from burnt offrings? That's wrong

And of course when the very question of which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep was discussed at the council in Jerusalem , at which were present Peter, James and many of Christ's followers it was decided the Gentiles be asked to keep only four Jewish laws, Three of which it is fair to say were To appease Jewish legalist who had been Pharisees
So how could Paul then be telling Genile converts they had to kep all the Jewish laws apart from Burnt offerings

YOU BEEN PORKY PIEING!!!!!

Really? Paul taught the Gentiles they only had to keep FOUR laws? Is this claim backed by scripture?

Just FOUR? WOW!

And just which (4) laws is your claim Paul only taught the Gentiles to keep?

So are ALL Gentiles today required to keep these same (4) laws?

Just want to confirm once again...Paul taught those Gentiles that he preached to they only had to keep FOUR laws? Again....WOW! Just (4) laws! And those were the ONLY laws they had to keep?

Can't wait to hear which FOUR laws Paul taught the Gentiles they only had to keep.







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[Eccl12and13]

Ok readers..... again let me ask these questions;



When a person decides to give their life to Christ and follow in the path of the Lord is there a change in that person?

And if there is a change....what type of change is it?

Also.....if there is a change, then why is there a change?


I already know the viewpoint of (2) that have been following this post...let's hear from some others. Over 900 views? I'm sure there are some that have an opinion on the matter. Whether it is for or against...I would like to hear what you have to say.

Let's start with your views on the above questions. What do you think?



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[Eccl12and13]

Only thing is I'm a Gentile, those laws were never given to me, but if your set on obeying them all go right ahead

God's laws were for ALL that choose to follow the true and living God;

"One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you."

"One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."

"Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them."

God is not a respecter of persons. If you chose to follow Him you were under the same laws as everyone that chose to follow Him. God does not have two agendas.

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[newcovenantchristian]

Really? Paul taught the Gentiles they only had to keep FOUR laws? Is this claim backed by scripture?

Just FOUR? WOW!

And just which (4) laws is your claim Paul only taught the Gentiles to keep?

So are ALL Gentiles today required to keep these same (4) laws?

Just want to confirm once again...Paul taught those Gentiles that he preached to they only had to keep FOUR laws? Again....WOW! Just (4) laws! And those were the ONLY laws they had to keep?

Can't wait to hear which FOUR laws Paul taught the Gentiles they only had to keep.



Well lets get it straight from scripture shall we as to which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep

Instead we should write to them(the Gentiles) telling them to abstain from food pollued by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
Acts 15:20

Now I know its not always easy to admit when your wrong, heck I've found it hard, but there you go, now, as I knowwhat your going to come back with, you need to understand the new covenant which I'm sure you don't

But I am sure that everyone in cc understands why Paul and Barnabas went to Jeusalem, and what the decision was.



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Answers above

 

[Eccl12and13]

Only thing is I'm a Gentile, those laws were never given to me, but if your set on obeying them all go right ahead

Let's read this scripture again to find if Jesus said that ONLY those of the nation of Israel needed to keep His commandments for eternal life;


Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

A question was asked of Him, and an answer was given.

And that answer was, "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

He then goes on to say which commandments were to be kept. Let's read them. Let's also find if the ones that the judge of all the world are the same as the FOUR that Paul taught the Gentiles they had to keep;

Matt.19
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Once again...Jesus never said that the keeping of these laws were reserved ONLY for the nation of Israel.

I counted (6) laws that Jesus said were needed for eternal life. Now although He did not mention Idolatry, coveting, fornication and having no respect of person....I'm sure those would also be pretty good laws to avoid.


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[newcovenantchristian]

God's laws were for ALL that choose to follow the true and living God;

"One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you."

"One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."

"Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them."

God is not a respecter of persons. If you chose to follow Him you were under the same laws as everyone that chose to follow Him. God does not have two agendas.

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The problem is though you've already misunderstood which laws Paul was telling Christians they had to die to, in saying it was just blood sacrifices, that's been explained to you already, I'm afraid you've got this wrong as well
My advice would be to find a Spirit filled church, join it, and get filled with the Holy Spirit and then you will start to understand grace, that was the key for me anyway

 

[Eccl12and13]

Well lets get it straight from scripture shall we as to which Jewish laws the Gentiles be asked to keep

Instead we should write to them(the Gentiles) telling them to abstain from food pollued by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
Acts 15:20

Now I know its not always easy to admit when your wrong, heck I've found it hard, but there you go, now, as I knowwhat your going to come back with, you need to understand the new covenant which I'm sure you don't

Just so I understand...your claim is that the above are the ONLY laws Paul taught Gentiles they had to keep? Is that correct?

Well readers....what say ye? Are there any others that also believe the above FOUR laws are the ONLY laws Paul taught the Gentiles they had to keep?


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[newcovenantchristian]

Let's read this scripture again to find if Jesus said that ONLY those of the nation of Israel needed to keep His commandments for eternal life;


Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

A question was asked of Him, and an answer was given.

And that answer was, "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

He then goes on to say which commandments were to be kept. Let's read them. Let's also find if the ones that the judge of all the world are the same as the FOUR that Paul taught the Gentiles they had to keep;

Matt.19
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Once again...Jesus never said that the keeping of these laws were reserved ONLY for the nation of Israel.

I counted (6) laws that Jesus said were needed for eternal life. Now although He did not mention Idolatry, coveting, fornication and having no respect of person....I'm sure those would also be pretty good laws to avoid.


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This is becoming tough

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declares the Lord
i will put my laws in their hearts and write them on their minds
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

Look this is the internet. Honestly, you need to go to a Spirit filled church and have a chat with the minister, your too ingrained in what you believe, and I'm not trained to be able to lead you in what you need to know. I hope you will go, you'll be much happier if you embrace the Spirit and grace