Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[newcovenantchristian]

Just so I understand...your claim is that the above are the ONLY laws Paul taught Gentiles they had to keep? Is that correct?

Well readers....what say ye? Are there any others that also believe the above FOUR laws are the ONLY laws Paul taught the Gentiles they had to keep?


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Sigh Sigh

You've got to understand the new covenant until you do you'll never understand all of this
A Christian has the law in their heart, they want to obey the battle is spirit against flesh
Now of course Paul warned against drunkeness, debauchery, sexual immorality etc, but you have to understand the context and you need to go to a Sprit filled church,to learn

 

[newcovenantchristian]

Lets put it another way. Why were the Gentiles only asked to keep four laws? Think about it, because if you can, you must see that your not understanding this correctly

Why on earth would Paul and Barnabas go to Jerusalem, a decision was taken that the Gentiles be only asked to keep four Jewish laws, and then STRAIGHT AFTERWARDS Paul asks them to keep the lot apart from burnt offerings, is that honestly what you believe?

Because if it is, I think you should close this thread, cause there's just no point to it, you won't accept the obvious truth that the Gentiles were not asked to keep all laws apart from burnt sacrifices, I'm out of here
Have a good day

 

[Eccl12and13]

Sigh Sigh

You've got to understand the new covenant until you do you'll never understand all of this
A Christian has the law in their heart, they want to obey the battle is spirit against flesh
Now of course Paul warned against drunkeness, debauchery, sexual immorality etc, but you have to understand the context and you need to go to a Sprit filled church,to learn

Make up your mind....was it just (4) laws the Gentiles had to keep? Did they not have to keep God's law of Do not kill? Or what about God's law of DO not bear false witness? And what about God's law of Do not covet? Were not ALL of these laws of God to be kept by the Gentiles as well?

And what about when Paul latter told them that it was OK to eat food that was polluted by idols? Was Paul confused about which law of God needed to be kept....or did he just decide upon his own that this law was now ok to break? Let's read....

1 Cor.10
[19] What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
[25] Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
[28] But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
[30] For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
[31] Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

So.....was Paul WRONG when he first told the Gentiles not to eat things that were offered to idols?

Where did Paul receive this information that it was now OK to eat things that was offered to idols?

And does that now mean there are only THREE laws that the Gentiles are required to keep?


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[Eccl12and13]

OK readers......back to my other questions;



When a person decides to give their life to Christ and follow in the path of the Lord is there a change in that person?

And if there is a change....what type of change is it?

Also.....if there is a change, then why is there a change?

And.....if there is a change.....is that changed needed?


Any thoughts?

 

[carolineh]

when the rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could be saved, Jesus asked him if he had kept the commandments...he claimed to have kept them all...which was a lie because he still idolized and coveted his riches...Jesus alone has perfectly obeyed the ten commandments so only by receiving the righteousness of Jesus in exchange for Jesus receiving the punishment of our sins are we saved from the anger and condemnation of God..only when we believe the truth that Jesus is God and turn to Him in love and turn from our sins do we receive God's forgiveness and the promise of being in God's loving presence forever

 

[Eccl12and13]

when the rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could be saved, Jesus asked him if he had kept the commandments...he claimed to have kept them all...which was a lie because he still idolized and coveted his riches...Jesus alone has perfectly obeyed the ten commandments so only by receiving the righteousness of Jesus in exchange for Jesus receiving the punishment of our sins are we saved from the anger and condemnation of God..only when we believe the truth that Jesus is God and turn to Him in love and turn from our sins do we receive God's forgiveness and the promise of being in God's loving presence forever

The above alludes to what happens to all that choose to follow the true and living God. It also answers the questions that were previously asked;


When a person decides to give their life to Christ and follow in the path of the Lord is there a change in that person?

And if there is a change....what type of change is it?

Also.....if there is a change, then why is there a change?

And.....if there is a change.....is that changed needed?


Any thoughts?



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[Eccl12and13]

When a person decides to follow the true and living God a change is made. Let's read what change is it that happens according to Paul;

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Paul tells us of some that will not enter into the kingdom of God and he tells us why they will not be allowed in. Paul goes on to tell us that some of those that became saints once did those things that would have denied them entrance into God's kingdom.....and had they continued would have kept them out of the kingdom of God.

Those things that would have kept them out of the kingdom of God was the breaking of God's laws. Paul learned that these things wrong wrong from the laws that God gave in the OT.

Readers....there are those that will use the writings of Paul to try to convince you that keeping God's laws is not a requirement for entrance into God's kingdom. Does that make sense? Does it make sense that you do not have to keep ANY of God's laws and still expect to be allowed into God's kingdom?

Let's again read what Paul said.....and let's pray for wisdom and understanding that your eyes will be opened to God's truth. Let's read...


1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul tells us that all of the above that break God's laws will not enter into God's kingdom.

[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul tells us that some of those that have been set aside once did those things that would have denied them access to God's kingdom. And this was AFTER Christ died and shed His blood. Even after His sacrifice....had they continued to break God's laws they would not have entered onto His kingdom.

So what was the change that was needed?

They had to be their best to stop sinning. They had to stop breaking God's laws and start keeping God's laws.



Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?




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[newcovenantchristian]

When a person decides to follow the true and living God a change is made. Let's read what change is it that happens according to Paul;

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Paul tells us of some that will not enter into the kingdom of God and he tells us why they will not be allowed in. Paul goes on to tell us that some of those that became saints once did those things that would have denied them entrance into God's kingdom.....and had they continued would have kept them out of the kingdom of God.

Those things that would have kept them out of the kingdom of God was the breaking of God's laws. Paul learned that these things wrong wrong from the laws that God gave in the OT.

Readers....there are those that will use the writings of Paul to try to convince you that keeping God's laws is not a requirement for entrance into God's kingdom. Does that make sense? Does it make sense that you do not have to keep ANY of God's laws and still expect to be allowed into God's kingdom?

Let's again read what Paul said.....and let's pray for wisdom and understanding that your eyes will be opened to God's truth. Let's read...


1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul tells us that all of the above that break God's laws will not enter into God's kingdom.

[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul tells us that some of those that have been set aside once did those things that would have denied them access to God's kingdom. And this was AFTER Christ died and shed His blood. Even after His sacrifice....had they continued to break God's laws they would not have entered onto His kingdom.

So what was the change that was needed?

They had to be their best to stop sinning. They had to stop breaking God's laws and start keeping God's laws.



Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?




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Two questions

How does the Christian become holier?
What is a Christians righteousnes in God's eyes

 

[Eccl12and13]

Two questions

How does the Christian become holier?
What is a Christians righteousnes in God's eyes

1 Peter 1
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[14] As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
[15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
[16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

God's word tells us to be holy as God is holy. Above it states in order to do that we should NOT fashion ourselves after our former lust. Let's again read what Paul said some of those Christians did before deciding to follow the true and living God;

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So to be holy as God is to be holy is not to do those things that God said we should not do. In other words we are to keep His commandments. Now let's confirm this....

Lev.20
[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

God tells us to set ourselves apart and to be holy just as He is holy. And how does that happen? Let's read...

[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

God tells us to keep His commandments. Let's read more of how God tells us to be holy....

Lev.19
[2] Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.

And how is this accomplished? Let's read....

[3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[4] Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[5] And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[6] It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[7] And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[8] Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[9] And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[10] And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[11] Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

God's word tells us to set ourselves apart. And whenever He tells us to do it it is always followed by the WAY we are to become set apart or holy.


Again I ask the readers.....the following questions;


Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?


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[newcovenantchristian]

1 Peter 1
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[14] As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
[15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
[16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

God's word tells us to be holy as God is holy. Above it states in order to do that we should NOT fashion ourselves after our former lust. Let's again read what Paul said some of those Christians did before deciding to follow the true and living God;

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So to be holy as God is to be holy is not to do those things that God said we should not do. In other words we are to keep His commandments. Now let's confirm this....

Lev.20
[7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.

God tells us to set ourselves apart and to be holy just as He is holy. And how does that happen? Let's read...

[8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

God tells us to keep His commandments. Let's read more of how God tells us to be holy....

Lev.19
[2] Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.

And how is this accomplished? Let's read....

[3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[4] Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[5] And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[6] It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[7] And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[8] Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[9] And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[10] And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[11] Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

God's word tells us to set ourselves apart. And whenever He tells us to do it it is always followed by the WAY we are to become set apart or holy.


Again I ask the readers.....the following questions;


Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?


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We are sanctified, and therefore become holier by he Holy Spirit within us Rom 15:16

You seem to have a problem with the rightoeusness one, I'm not surprised people who keep impressing law, don't stress it
The only righteousness you'll ever have in God's eyes for the whole of your Christian life is faith in Christ
Rom 1:17
And I know you don't believe it

 

[Eccl12and13]

We are sanctified, and therefore become holier by he Holy Spirit within us Rom 15:16

You seem to have a problem with the rightoeusness one, I'm not surprised people who keep impressing law, don't stress it
The only righteousness you'll ever have in God's eyes for the whole of your Christian life is faith in Christ
Rom 1:17
And I know you don't believe it

And what is the Holy Spirit that is within us? God's words.

Now....'let's get to what appears to you to be your great 'Holy Grail' of all verses;

Rom.1
[17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

And what does God's word tell righteousness is? The opposite of unrighteousness. Now let's read what is unrighteous in God's eyes....

[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Now all of the above God tells us is unrighteousness. And those things that are stated above are all sins. And sin is the breaking of God's laws.

So if being unrighteous is the breaking of God's laws...what does it mean to be righteous?

Now you claim the following;

"The only righteousness you'll ever have in God's eyes for the whole of your Christian life is faith in Christ..."

Well.....according to God's word righteousness is keeping His laws and commandments. Is this not true?



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[newcovenantchristian]

Well.....according to God's word righteousness is keeping His laws and commandments. Is this not true?



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Nope

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from THE LAW but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that is from God and is by faith
Phil3:9

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING
GaL2:21

So thank you we have got there, your righteousness is your own personal goodness according to law keeping.
So you believe(according to Paul), Christ died for nothing, and you set aside the grace of God

 

[newcovenantchristian]

Well.....according to God's word righteousness is keeping His laws and commandments. Is this not true?



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For in the Gospel a righteousness from God has been revealed a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, as it is writen, the righteous, WILL LIVE BY FAITH
Rom1:17

So there you have it, for the whole of your Christian life, just in case you wanna come back and say that's just for salvation

 

[Eccl12and13]

Nope

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from THE LAW but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that is from God and is by faith
Phil3:9

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING
GaL2:21

So thank you we have got there, your righteousness is your own personal goodness according to law keeping.
So for you, according to Paul, Christ died for nothing, and you set aside the grace of God

The difference between you and me is that I know which law it is that Paul speaks of.

As i have said before...God's laws could NEVER justify or clear a person of their sins. The law could not do it in the OT nor in the NT. The ONLY thing that could remove sin is the shedding of Blood. God allowed the shedding of the blood of bulls and goats in the OT only until a better sacrifice would come along...that being the blood of Jesus.

Now that I have said this yet again..let's look at Gal.2

[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again....by the works of the law no man is cleared or, justified of their sins. Once again...I agree with this.

But what you fail to understand is that that law that is being spoken of is the law of animal sacrifice. For by the law of the Levites...that being the killing of animals for the forgiveness of sins, is the law that required works and deeds. Moving on knowing this....

[21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Now what would the death of Christ have to do with the law of do not kill, lie and steal? Nothing. Because those laws are yet o be kept by man to the best of his ability. Now let's read some of Paul's other writings to get a better understanding....

Heb.10
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Now what law of God's required sacrifices? The laws of the Levites only. And what could those set of laws NOT do? Make those that came with their sacrifices perfect. It could not clear them of their sins. Now let's confirm that the law that is being spoken of is in fact that of animal sacrifice...

[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Again.....readers...this is very plain. What law calls for sacrifice and burnt offerings? The law that God gave to the Levites. And what could this law NOT do? "...make the comers thereunto perfect."

Now let's read Gal. 2 once more....

[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

So this law spoken of could not clear man of his sins. It too could NOT clear man of his sins.

Now let's go back to Heb.10

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

And again we have a law that could not take away sins?

Both scriptures speaks of the same set of laws; the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and their job 'works and deeds' of sacrificing animals.

This is the law that was nailed to His cross. This is the law that we are no longer under. For as we know....Paul tells us to KEEP God's laws.

Now readers.....back to my questions.......



Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?



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[newcovenantchristian]

Well.....according to God's word righteousness is keeping His laws and commandments. Is this not true?



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And just to make triply sure

For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live but Christ lives in me
The life I live in the body(note Paul is speaking as a Christian, so this is after conversion) I live by faith in the son of God who loved me and gave himself for me
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing
Gal2:19-21

 

[newcovenantchristian]

The difference between you and me is that I know which law it is that Paul speaks of.

As i have said before...God's laws could NEVER justify or clear a person of their sins. The law could not do it in the OT nor in the NT. The ONLY thing that could remove sin is the shedding of Blood. God allowed the shedding of the blood of bulls and goats in the OT only until a better sacrifice would come along...that being the blood of Jesus.

Now that I have said this yet again..let's look at Gal.2

[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Again....by the works of the law no man is cleared or, justified of their sins. Once again...I agree with this.

But what you fail to understand is that that law that is being spoken of is the law of animal sacrifice. For by the law of the Levites...that being the killing of animals for the forgiveness of sins, is the law that required works and deeds. Moving on knowing this....

[21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Now what would the death of Christ have to do with the law of do not kill, lie and steal? Nothing. Because those laws are yet o be kept by man to the best of his ability. Now let's read some of Paul's other writings to get a better understanding....

Heb.10
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Now what law of God's required sacrifices? The laws of the Levites only. And what could those set of laws NOT do? Make those that came with their sacrifices perfect. It could not clear them of their sins. Now let's confirm that the law that is being spoken of is in fact that of animal sacrifice...

[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Again.....readers...this is very plain. What law calls for sacrifice and burnt offerings? The law that God gave to the Levites. And what could this law NOT do? "...make the comers thereunto perfect."

Now let's read Gal. 2 once more....

[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

So this law spoken of could not clear man of his sins. It too could NOT clear man of his sins.

Now let's go back to Heb.10

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

And again we have a law that could not take away sins?

Both scriptures speaks of the same set of laws; the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and their job 'works and deeds' of sacrificing animals.

This is the law that was nailed to His cross. This is the law that we are no longer under. For as we know....Paul tells us to KEEP God's laws.

Now readers.....back to my questions.......



Do you believe a change is needed in ones life if they decide to follow the true and living God?

And if so.....what change is it that YOU believe is needed?



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I'm not putting all this up for you, I know you'll never accept it, but I don't want others to be misled by your wrong exegesis/interpretations
So Paul had to die to the law of burnt offerings so he could live for God??????????????????
You won't find many who will agree with you(i 'ope)

 

[JaumeJ]

How is it people who live in grace because of the righteousness of the One, Yeshua, Jesus, are so adamant about ignoring anything about the law?

Yes, Yeshua completes the law, so think about that! If He completes the law, and He replaces the law, He has become the Law completed for us.

So why are so many so adverse to reading the law and studying it?
We do not pick and choose which laws to follow for Jesus teaches us that following the two great laws of love encompass having followed all of the law?

Now, why do people not see that following the laws of love CANNOT include all of the ceremonial laws of sacrifice, since any sacrifice since that of our Lord, the Lamb of Yahweh, would be a blasphemy?

There are other laws for living in Israel, the original Israel.

Listening and doing the teachings of our Master, we know the dietary laws are no longer valid, but we only know this by listening to His teachings. For example the vison of Peter and the unclean animals on the sheet coming down from heaven, but even more to the point, when our Lord, Yeshua, tells us that nothing going into the body corrupts it for it passes through and goes out to the sewer. It is what proceeds from our hearts that corrupts, and He goes on to list murder, lust and more.

There are other laws which are not of the above groups, and they are worthy of study, for in them you will see Jesus, you will know for certain what is good conduct in many situations, you will find wisdom in many areas of living. Do not be afraid of this wisdom, for we are free of the law, and we live in grace under the auspices of the righteousness of Yeshua, Jesus. How can we ignore any of the writings of the Word, since Jesus IS the Word.

To ignore those writings is saying, "Yes, Lord, I know you spoke these words, but now I do not need to study them or even read them." That is a ridiculous posture.

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[newcovenantchristian]

How is it people who live in grace because of the righteousness of the One, Yeshua, Jesus, are so adamant about ignoring anything about the law?

Yes, Yeshua completes the law, so think about that! If He completes the law, and He replaces the law, He has become the Law completed for us.

So why are so many so adverse to reading the law and studying it?
We do not pick and choose which laws to follow for Jesus teaches us that following the two great laws of love encompass having followed all of the law?

Now, why do people not see that following the laws of love CANNOT include all of the ceremonial laws of sacrifice, since any sacrifice since that of our Lord, the Lamb of Yahweh, would be a blasphemy?

There are other laws for living in Israel, the original Israel.

Listening and doing the teachings of our Master, we know the dietary laws are no longer valid, but we only know this by listening to His teachings. For example the vison of Peter and the unclean animals on the sheet coming down from heaven, but even more to the point, when our Lord, Yeshua, tells us that nothing going into the body corrupts it for it passes through and goes out to the sewer. It is what proceeds from our hearts that corrupts, and He goes on to list murder, lust and more.

There are other laws which are not of the above groups, and they are worthy of study, for in them you will see Jesus, you will know for certain what is good conduct in many situations, you will find wisdom in many areas of living. Do not be afraid of this wisdom, for we are free of the law, and we live in grace under the auspices of the righteousness of Yeshua, Jesus. How can we ignore any of the writings of the Word, since Jesus IS the Word.

To ignore those writings is saying, "Yes, Lord, I know you spoke these words, but now I do not need to study them or even read them." That is a ridiculous posture.


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To write what you have shows you do not understand the new covenant, the law is written on your heart and mind, but, I also know you will not accept that, so I will await your rebuke

And if a person believes, as the author of this thread does, they have a righteousness of obediance to law keeping/commands, you should realise that is not scriptural, they believe they will get to Heaven by their own personal goodness, and the author refuses to accep the only righteousness he wll ever have in God's eyes the whole of his life is faith in the son of God who loved him and gave himself for him.. I assume you have missed his post on that belief, otherwise I an confident you would have pointed out to him that to believe we can a righteousness of our own according to law keeping, is not the truth of the Gospel of grace, and according to Paul anyone who blieves as the author of this thread does is indeed ignoring the grace of God, and in effct believing Chist died for nothing
Gal 2:21
It is my hope that out of your concern for the author of this threads misguided beliefs, you wil endorse that and advise him to change course
But I admit, I ain't no teacher, just someone who knows some of what's written,

 

[JaumeJ]

To write what you have shows you do not understand the new covenant, the law is written on your heart and mind, but, I also know you will not accept that, so I will await your rebuke

And if a person believes, as the author of this thread does, they have a righteousness of obediance to law keeping/commands, you should realise that is not scriptural, they believe they will get to Heaven by their own personal goodness, and the author refuses to accep the only righteousness he wll ever have in God's eyes the whole of his life is faith in the son of God who loved him and gave himself for him. and if we don't accept it, we ignore the grace of God and Christ died for nothing. I assume you have missed his post on that, otherwise I an confident you would have pointed out to him that to believe we can a righteousness of our own according o law keeping, is not the truth of the Gospel of grace,v and according to Paul anyone who blieves otherwise is ignoring the grace of God, and in effct believing Chist died for nothing
Gal 2:21
It is my hope that ouit of your concern for the author of this threads misguided beliefs, you wil endorse that and advise him bo change course
But I admit, I ain't no teacher, just someone who knows some of what's written,

To state what you have stated makes you a judge. Who makes you judge of another's servant? The kernel of what was posted, were you to read it, says to study ALL OF THE WORD.

For anyone to say I do not understand the grace that is in the salvation of the Lamb of God, is saying when the Holy Spirit entered into me letting me know that all is well and will be well, is tantamount to calling me a liar, or Even worse, the Holy Spirit.

Now read this, and read it well, if my advising people to read all of the Word and to learn it as well as the Lord gives them to learn is wrong, I would like you to let me know. To teach otherwise is not knowing the first thing about the Word of Yahweh, and Yeshua, Jesus, is the Word.

I forgive your impertinence, but if you continue teaching others not to study all of the Word, I am afraid anyone believing Yahweh, God, will be obliged to ignore your posts.

 

[newcovenantchristian]

To state what you have stated makes you a judge. Who makes you judge of another's servant? The kernel of what was posted, were you to read it, says to study ALL OF THE WORD.

For anyone to say I do not understand the grace that is in the salvation of the Lamb of God, is saying when the Holy Spirit entered into me letting me know that all is well and will be well, is tantamount to calling me a liar, or Even worse, the Holy Spirit.

Now read this, and read it well, if my advising people to read all of the Word and to learn it as well as the Lord gives them to learn is wrong, I would like you to let me know. To teach otherwise is not knowing the first thing about the Word of Yahweh, and Yeshua, Jesus, is the Word.

I forgive your impertinence, but if you continue teaching others not to study all of the Word, I am afraid anyone believing Yahweh, God, will be obliged to ignore your posts.

I wonder why your outraged. It is basic to the Gospel of grace that the Christian will only ever have one rightousness in God's eyes for the whole of their Christian lives, faith in the son of God who loved them and gave himself for them, actually that is key to know. Now, as you should be aware Paul makes clear that anyone who believes they can have a righteousness of their own according to law keeping is ignoring the cross of Christ and setting aside the grace of God. I am sorry if you are uncomfortable with that, but it is very plainly written. And I would have hoped, bearing that in mind you would have endorsed my words, so the author of this thread would not continue to ignore the grace of God.
BTW
I judge no one, I stand on what is plainly witten, and what the author of this thread has plainly stated