Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[JGIG]

The true Passover Lamb has been Sacrificed, however without a Law stating sacrifice can be the remission of sin, a sacrifice even the Sacrifice would be useless. Us being born 2,000 years later would not be able to have our sins cleansed if this law were done away, no the Law is still valid and the Sacrifice has been fulfilled, all one has to do is accept it, and they have Sacrificed and they are cleansed.

The priesthood, one if one is not a levite being a priest was NEVER their job, and now since the priesthood has been transferred it is not the job of any human to be a priest in the priesthood, but rether the job of Messiah He is currently carrying out, for surely Yahshua is the intercessor for the children of Yahweh.

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Sigh. You demonstrate a colossal lack of understanding of the Work and High Priesthood of Christ:


The Wonder of Our Great High Priest – Rob Rufus
(Audio version available for download HERE)

-JGIG

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[danschance]

Other Hebrew hating thread.

How is he "hating Hebrew by saying Jesus is the "I AM"?

Are you a Greek hater?

 

[Grandpa]

Isn't this fighting strange!! They use what Christ and Paul says to fight God, Christ, and scripture. They know that we are saved through Christ, that we are not saved through law. They all even know of the Holy Spirit. You would think that would lead them home.

It impresses me that they all use such meanness toward others as they express their denial of scripture telling of the Father and eternal principles.

Isn't it weird that the Pharisees who believe never truly understand?

Acts 15:5-11
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.



It looks like much disputing is still going on even though the issue was settled 2000 yrs ago. That's because there are many pitfalls for the baby Christian. You would think that those who are mature in Christ would better be able to understand this issue and speak for the baby Christian instead of leading them into error.

What is really weird is people who attempt to place those who have Liberty in Christ back under the bondage of the Law. As if they know God and He is at odds with this so called Christ fellow. What a bunch of dung.

If you don't know Christ you don't know the Father. If you know Christ you know the Father and you are no longer under the Law that is meant for those who don't know Christ. See what a vicious cycle those who would work at the law are in? Probably not...

 

[phil112]

................. You would think that those who are mature in Christ would better be able to understand this issue ...............

Grandpa, if I may expound on that thought.....I don't think, I know those who are mature in Christ are able to digest strong meat. Too many folks trying to chew meat when they need this:

 

[And]

Recently my wife was accused of belonging to a cult called the Hebrew Roots Movement. I didn't know what it was, so I went to this url: What is the Hebrew Roots movement?
I am wanting input, for both my wife and I believe that the Mosaic Law was given to us as a tool by God himself and is still relevant today. This causes great division, but just because we believe in the Bible as a whole, has the falling away gotten to the point where we are rejecting in bitterness parts of the Word of God that we don't like or what?

Ok are you a christian?

1. christians dont accuse

those who accuse d your wife are demons
dont call them again, stay away from them, and leave them alone they will do other demon things

demon things are these.

Want attention, take up all your time, center of attention, lie, falsly reperesnt you when you arent there, falsly represent others when you are there. Cause strife, shoot the breeze, give out gossip, assasinate characters. call you on the phone all day, text you constantly ....

never call them soon they will leave you alone.

as far as a cult, Jesus never gave you a job to determing who is a cult.

You would be doing the word of satan.

also
getting on hear and asking if someone ELSE is good or bad makes YOU an agent of the enemy

did you know the majority of christians will perich?
the majority are wrong?
the majority dont care
and the majority dont read the Bible or follow it?

you can see why satan wants a DEMOCRATIC CHURCH with regular meetings and elections

that is how he takes over a church because the majority are not true christians and voting a lot will ensure the church becomes a social club with potluck large screen TV parties and bazaars and all the carnival activities paul bunyan spoke of

finally

Where does it say in the Bible you should worry about what others do?

let them alone follow thow me

if you dont want to read the Bible then you willnot ever find the truth and will be led astray by your nose ring.

 

[RedTent]

Your focus, your origin, is Law. Your center is Law. And as such, you put yourself under a curse because you do not obey all that applies to you.

Your center, the origin of your actions needs to be Christ. Then bearing Fruit unto God is possible (Rom. 7, Gal. 5).

If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. (Gal. 5) -JGIG

No, law is YOUR center, it is not the focus of people wanting a closer walk with God the Father. Law, according to scripture, is always to be at the end of our worship, but it is to be there and your posts are all about law, and all about taking law out.

HRM is about knowing the roots, your "religion" is about getting rid of law in the strange ways of these posts. We say know the roots, you say that is law and it is wrong. You have a hang up with law. To Know God can not be defined by the word "law".

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[RedTent]

Isn't it weird that the Pharisees who believe never truly understand? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, What is really weird is people who attempt to place those who have Liberty in Christ back under the bondage of the Law. As if they know God and He is at odds with this so called Christ fellow. What a bunch of dung.

If you don't know Christ you don't know the Father. If you know Christ you know the Father and you are no longer under the Law that is meant for those who don't know Christ. See what a vicious cycle those who would work at the law are in? Probably not...

But not understanding, and insisting that many books of scripture are not for us is what I am talking about. You only speak about law, your entire focus is on law. Post after post say this is law and against Christ. It is as if the church is only about all these posts claiming it is about not being subject to law.

It isn't about law, as you all proclaim. Law is part of it, and if you eliminate a part you don't have any of it right. But law is not, as you all say, front and center. Law comes at the end. But seeing it as the posts all tell is why Christ is returning to judge the world.

 

[And]

Gods entire focus from genesis to revelation is law

it is his character of love

Hypnotized people cant see that.
they have been told a thousand times the law is bad

they have been lied to

law is love
the whole Bible is law
love

Josh 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:


Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


so what you pagan Jesuit blasphemers are saying is love was nailed to the tree
we dont have to love anymore
we can go to afganistan and kill 2 million men women and children because the gov wants to grow heroin

that is not love.

 

[And]

law is everything
law is love
love is everything
love is law
God is love
God is law
law is God
love is God

yyou bet

you have been trained that law is bad
get over it
rejct the blasphmeny of the churches who have been lied to telling us the law is done away

love and God has not been done away.

 

[And]

SATAN said first
YOU CANT KEEP THE LAW

satan said
the law is bad
satan said we dont need the law cause we are good inside
satan said God is mean
satan said Gos law is impossible


well satn
go to hell

love is not impossible it is delightful
and everyone with a divine nature can keep it
so

be born again and you cannot break the law

be born again and you cannot sin
you cant kill
you cant steal
you cant listen to a pope above God
you cant sin
its impossible

if you love God you will be the first person in the pew of saturday morning
cause you love God

 

[And]

what crzy lunatic thinks this is bad?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL YOUR BROTHER IN WORD OR THOUGHT OR DEED

oh awful nail that to the tree!
eu ich terrible nail that to the tree
we have rights in america
we want handguns
we want to kill anybody and everything


these are crhistians?

no this is the synagogue of satan.

know who you are worshipping with

synagogue of satan.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

they dont have works... they teach yo cannot do the law or you will go to hell

everyone who does onot keep the law goes to heaven

gut those who keep the law are hlier than thou pharisees that will go to hell


what is wrong with this picture!

did you know hypnosis is LYING?
that is a lie

those who are born again keeping the law go to heaven
those who dont will not

it is so simple!

it is your decision

salvation can only come by JEsus blood
Justification can only come by Jesus blood
and sanctification
necessary

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and SANCTIFICATION, without which no man shall see the Lord:

is the third step

your gospel eliminated the final step

you will perish if you dont read and follow your Bible

it is that simple

a child can do it

 

[damombomb]

what crzy lunatic thinks this is bad?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL YOUR BROTHER IN WORD OR THOUGHT OR DEED

oh awful nail that to the tree!
eu ich terrible nail that to the tree
we have rights in america
we want handguns
we want to kill anybody and everything


these are crhistians?

no this is the synagogue of satan.

These are the unsaved, and someone needs to minster Jesus to them

 

[And]

Jesus is the word of God
Jesus is the word of God

Jesus is the word of God


Tell the satanists to go back home
each church has some
that is their job
they ALWAYS say these things they have infitrated and conquered all denominations

look up celebration 2000

the old testament is not needed
the law is not needed
if you try and be good you are lost


doesnt that sound like the devil?

yes.

 

[phil112]

Gods entire focus from genesis to revelation is law...............................they have been lied to

law is love..............................

If you believe that, someone has been lying to you.

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Where in the bible does it say that?

 

[danschance]

law is everything
law is love
love is everything
love is law
God is love
God is law
law is God
love is God

yyou bet

you have been trained that law is bad
get over it
rejct the blasphmeny of the churches who have been lied to telling us the law is done away

love and God has not been done away.

Pure idolatry. It should read:

Jesus is everything
Jesus is love
Jesus is everything
love is Jesus
God is love
God is Jesus
Jesus is God
love is God

 

[danschance]

what crzy lunatic thinks this is bad?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL YOUR BROTHER IN WORD OR THOUGHT OR DEED

No one. All Christian would agree murder is wrong.

 

[damombomb]

The point is where is Jesus in your laws? Why do you not teach Jesus and him crucified. Does the HRM only focus on themselves, and not share the gospel with the lost because they are lost. Isn't that what you are called to do, or are
you only to yourselves. Saying i stand alone, i keep all the laws, but i will not raise on finger to go and minister to those
ungodly sinners, It might rub off. Where is your love?, where is your fruit?, what are you called for? Are you using your talents? Do you care about them at all?

How do the HRM minister? Serious question? Do you? Do you only tell them they must keep laws?
If we where in the great trib. right now, what are you going to tell people?
I would hope, it would be repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that your sins may be forgiven.

 

[psalm6819]

Any doctrine or element can be taken to the extreme. I'm interested in Hebrew roots because they were things familar to Jesus. When He read from Isaiah it was in Hebrew so the hebrew language interests me. The Bible makes it very clear that keeping laws and traditions will not save you. Only the Blood of Jesus, we cannot earn brownie points by trying to keep the law. It was put in place to show us how inadequate we are and we need a Savior. The good news is God provided One, Jesus Christ. So I might be called Hebrew Roots Movement but it's firmly rooted in Jesus.

 

[phil112]

what crzy lunatic thinks this is bad?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL YOUR BROTHER IN WORD OR THOUGHT OR DEED .....................

Just a shame you don't understand what grace does for us. Saddens me to see how many people have to follow the law to behave. I do not like the law. At all. I want to keep it as far away from me as I can. If I need the law, it is because I am a sinner. Christ said "go and sin no more".

You? You don't kill your neighbor because it is against the law. Of course you need the law. There would be nothing but mayhem in your life without it.

Me? I don't kill my neighbor because I love him. If the law said it was legal, I still wouldn't, yet in your world, people would. How sad to not know the love of God.

 

[Hizikyah]

Just a shame you don't understand what grace does for us. Saddens me to see how many people have to follow the law to behave. I do not like the law. At all. I want to keep it as far away from me as I can. If I need the law, it is because I am a sinner. Christ said "go and sin no more".

You? You don't kill your neighbor because it is against the law. Of course you need the law. There would be nothing but mayhem in your life without it.

Me? I don't kill my neighbor because I love him. If the law said it was legal, I still wouldn't, yet in your world, people would. How sad to not know the love of God.

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."