Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day? Video less than 4 minutes.

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The early church was meeting together ANY day and EVERY day including sundays for ''social gatherings''.
These were NOT 'commanded assemblies/convocations as given in Lev 23'....and that makes them different and UNofficial !
Sunday was nominated the 'official worship day by the RCC - that is on record.
 
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trofimus said:
Ignatios was given to lions by Romans. What roman political infuence on him are you talking about, exactly?

The fact that you dont like the sunday being the day of the Church makes you come with many absurd accusations of martyrs.

What source do you use about the day of the Church AFTER the NT was written down?
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Listen, friend, God made the 7th day holy, all the way back in Genesis.
He confirmed in Exodus and all the way through the Bible.

What source do you have who can over-ride God?
 
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Listen, friend, God made the 7th day holy, all the way back in Genesis.
He confirmed in Exodus and all the way through the Bible.

What source do you have who can over-ride God?
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You are running away from the topic. The topic is what the first Church was doing in her religious practice, historically.

We are not discussing the theology (was it wrong or right).

I have given you 3 sources from the first centuries that prove RCC was not changing it, but only adopting what church was already practising.

Can you give me sources that are saying the opposite? From about the same time, please.

P.S. you are too fast in your responses, give me 5 minutes to edit my post, I am not native English speaker :)
 
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You are running away from the topic. The topic is what the first Church was doing in her religious practice, historically.

We are not discussing the theology (was it wrong or right).

I have given you 3 sources from the first centuries that prove RCC was not changing it, but only adopting what church was already practising.

Can you give me sources that are saying the opposite? From about the same time, please.

P.S. you are too fast in your responses, give me 5 minutes to edit my post, I am not native English speaker :)
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no sir. you can't make the topic. This is my thread. I made the topic.
The topic: Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day?

I understand you are not a native English speaker.
you do very well with English. better than me, probably.
 
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no sir. you can't make the topic. This is my thread. I made the topic.
The topic: Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day?

I understand you are not a native English speaker.
you do very well with English. better than me, probably.
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No, he is not telling the truth, because we have documents from the first and second centuries, that prove church was meeting on Sunday already.

This is what I am saying all the time. And I have given you 3 proofs.

You move away from it every time when you try to switch the discussion to what is in Exodus or what is given by God.


Thank you, I try to type properly, but many times "the, a, there, their, 3rd person etc" is a problem when typing fast and I must return and correct the text. I have no ability to say how good is your English :) I see no errors in it.
 
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If they were meeting on sundays it was for purely SOCIAL reasons and perfectly acceptable...
but they were 'not commanded assemblies for GOD's own holy purpose !!!
 
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If they were meeting on sundays
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They certainly were, we have proofs.

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it was for purely SOCIAL reasons and perfectly acceptable...
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It surely is a social reason that church has a regular day for meetings.

I dont think it is the only reason, but yes, it has a social aspect, too.

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but they were 'not commanded assemblies for GOD's own holy purpose !!!
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No idea what you mean by this?
 
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They were not meeting on Sunday.
It is just not true.
If I am not mistaken, there are 86 references of believers meeting on the Sabbath in the New Testament.

There are 3 references to meeting on the first [day] of the week, which is bad translations. In Greek it is "mia Sabbaton" which means "first Sabbath" or "one Sabbath". The word "day" is not there in the Greek text.
 
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no, sister, no.
it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
"Lawful" is the key word.
Don't be tricked by the Pharisee claims.
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was picking and eating ear corns on the Sabbath (as the Lord's disciples did), 'doing good' according to the law? Or was not participating in the ceremonial washings, 'doing good' according to the law?
 
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was picking and eating ear corns on the Sabbath (as the Lord's disciples did), 'doing good' according to the law? Or was not participating in the ceremonial washings, 'doing good' according to the law?
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sister, the ceremonial washing they are referring to is Rabbinical Law.
Not picking corn (enough to eat when you are hungry) is Rabbinical Law.
Don't carry your bed on the Sabbath is Rabbinical Law.
Don't heal on the Sabbath is Rabbinical Law.
Don't flip a switch or push the elevator button on the Sabbath is Rabbinical Law.

These are NOT God's laws.

Yeshua was very much against the man-made laws of the Pharisees.
 
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For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. Psalm 90:4

Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. II Peter 3:8

Jesus said in Matthew 26 He gave us a NEW covenant and in Hebrews 7:12 it says: For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 
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disciplemike said:
They were not meeting on Sunday.
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They were.

disciplemike said:
It is just not true.
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It is.

disciplemike said:
If I am not mistaken, there are 86 references of believers meeting on the Sabbath in the New Testament.
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You are mistaken.

disciplemike said:
There are 3 references to meeting on the first [day] of the week, which is bad translations. In Greek it is "mia Sabbaton" which means "first Sabbath" or "one Sabbath". The word "day" is not there in the Greek text.
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Mia ton sabbaton means "first day of the week".

They had name only for the sabbath, other days were "first, second, third.... after the sabbath", meaning "first, second, third... day of the week."

There is a discussion about this on a Greek forum:
http://www.translatum.gr/forum/index.php?topic=6592.0
 
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trofimus said:
They certainly were, we have proofs.


It surely is a social reason that church has a regular day for meetings.

I dont think it is the only reason, but yes, it has a social aspect, too.



No idea what you mean by this?
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Of course you have no idea and neither has anyone else who is DISOBEDIENT to God !
You don't expect to 'understand God if you don't turn up for lessons at HIS appointed time ??
 
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Beta, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this law vs. Grace stuff, but I would be truly interested in hearing about your experiences during WWII, if you'd care to share them.

Peace, Love, and Grace to you, in Jesus sweet Name.
 
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disciplemike said:
They were not meeting on Sunday.
It is just not true.
If I am not mistaken, there are 86 references of believers meeting on the Sabbath in the New Testament.

There are 3 references to meeting on the first [day] of the week, which is bad translations. In Greek it is "mia Sabbaton" which means "first Sabbath" or "one Sabbath". The word "day" is not there in the Greek text.
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Mike, there is at least ONE recorded event when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD - to HAVE a MEAL - for an UNofficial SOcial gathering on the first day of the week.Acts 20v17.
There is nothing wrong with that as it was not a 'commanded assembling before God as given for Sabbath-Meetings in Lev 23.

We need to see the difference between 'Godly assemblies and social gatherings, both of which require the meeting together of people but for different reasons.
 
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PennEd said:
Beta, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this law vs. Grace stuff, but I would be truly interested in hearing about your experiences during WWII, if you'd care to share them.

Peace, Love, and Grace to you, in Jesus sweet Name.
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This is interesting , but why on earth you would ask me that is beyond me !
Do you know my background ? and what could my past show you ?
 
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Hey Mike you do do that this guy is not a Catholic bishop?
His garb is way out of wack . His head covering or mercy hat is for formal occasions and is to be worn with a red cape and a wide
red sash . His black vestments are for general mass . He is a actor or something not a bishop.
It is like seeing a US marine wearing his green camouflage uniform with his dress blues hat . It's not a mach
blessings
Bill
 
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beta said:
Of course you have no idea and neither has anyone else who is DISOBEDIENT to God !
You don't expect to 'understand God if you don't turn up for lessons at HIS appointed time ??
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Try not to personally attack others.

What lessons at His appointed time are you talking about?
 
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Laish said:
Hey Mike you do do that this guy is not a Catholic bishop?
His garb is way out of wack . His head covering or mercy hat is for formal occasions and is to be worn with a red cape and a wide
red sash . His black vestments are for general mass . He is a actor or something not a bishop.
It is like seeing a US marine wearing his green camouflage uniform with his dress blues hat . It's not a mach
blessings
Bill
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lol I can't even post right
Hey Mike you do know that this guy is not a Catholic bishop?
His garb is way out of wack . His head covering or mercy hat is for formal occasions and is to be worn with a red cape and a wide
red sash . His black vestments are for general mass . He is a actor or something not a bishop.
It is like seeing a US marine wearing his green camouflage uniform with his dress blues hat . It's not a mach
blessings
Bill
I forgot the word know in first line of my post ha ha to funny . Sorry all
blessings
Bill
 
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disciplemike said:
What do you think?
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Nobody changed the Sabbath to Sunday. It is and always was from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
The Roman Church did not yet exist when Christians began worshiping on Sunday.
The first 5 minutes of the below video is an excellent, clear presentation of the topic at hand.

[video=youtube;8HpPEdNOyK0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpPEdNOyK0[/video]
 
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