Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day? Video less than 4 minutes.
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Sunday is not the new Saturday. The Sabbath Saturday was to commemorate a finished creation. The Lord's Day Sunday was to commemorate a finished redemption. "Upon the first day of the week" is mentioned many times in the New Testament- for giving, assembling together, worshiping, taking the Lord's Supper, praising, fellowship, simply having church.
We are no longer under the old way. Our sabbath is spiritual rest, the peace that surpasses understanding- not a physical rest on a physical day. The Catholics are always changing their rules, trying to squeeze in new ways to make it make sense when they don't understand.
Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday morning- He is who we ar under, not Moses nor the physical ways of the Old Testament.
We are no longer under the old way. Our sabbath is spiritual rest, the peace that surpasses understanding- not a physical rest on a physical day. The Catholics are always changing their rules, trying to squeeze in new ways to make it make sense when they don't understand.
Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday morning- He is who we ar under, not Moses nor the physical ways of the Old Testament.
Ok friend, but little correction, I was not in England during my childhood but did experience the war personally. However, that is not what we should be talking about. No matter what I went through it was insignificant compared to our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ, to whom goes all glory. He is our past, present and future !
Friend you may inadvertently be starting a new argument....scripture does not say Jesus rose from the dead on a sunday....people say that !
Scripture tells us HE was SEEN to be 'already risen' on the sunday Mk 16. We need to pay attention to 'detail' if we are looking for truth.
Obviously there is a reason for people to make 'false statements and I'm not saying they do so intentionally.
Scripture tells us HE was SEEN to be 'already risen' on the sunday Mk 16. We need to pay attention to 'detail' if we are looking for truth.
Obviously there is a reason for people to make 'false statements and I'm not saying they do so intentionally.
"They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”
Matthew 20:19
"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..."
1Cor 15:5
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Throughout scripture as a metaphor used in parables, the Spirit of Christ uses the word three to indicate the end of the matter. The three days Christ as the Son of man (the temporal flesh) would suffer as if he was in the tomb dead is called; “the heart of the earth”. It began on Wednesday. Christ the Holy Spirit of God cannot die. Death indicated the suffering was complete.
"My soul is sorrowful even to death as the father pored out the wrath intended for the believer it identified the promised suffering given to the old testament saints that the work of suffering had begun just as Jonas was suffering.(not dead)
It does not mean he was dead for three days and nights, but the phrase “heart of the earth”. Again it was used to indicate suffering. Dead bodies without the spirit cannot suffer just as faith without works .
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
It was changed to the incorruptible in a twinkling of the eye to finish the demonstration of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. We no longer look to the flesh. Christ came and fulfilled the prophecy.
2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
The metaphor heart of the earth as it is used in that parable seems to be misunderstood and therefore I believe loses its spiritual meaning from those who believe not, just as in all parables.
"My soul is sorrowful even to death as the father pored out the wrath intended for the believer it identified the promised suffering given to the old testament saints that the work of suffering had begun just as Jonas was suffering.(not dead)
It does not mean he was dead for three days and nights, but the phrase “heart of the earth”. Again it was used to indicate suffering. Dead bodies without the spirit cannot suffer just as faith without works .
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
It was changed to the incorruptible in a twinkling of the eye to finish the demonstration of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. We no longer look to the flesh. Christ came and fulfilled the prophecy.
2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
The metaphor heart of the earth as it is used in that parable seems to be misunderstood and therefore I believe loses its spiritual meaning from those who believe not, just as in all parables.
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Jews reckoned that any part of a day was a day. They didn't require 72 hours to pass ( like we would normally today) to consider something to last 3 days. So, Christ was crucified in the afternoon on Friday before sun down ( that is day one), he would have spent the whole day in the tomb on Saturday ( day 2), and rose early Sunday morning ( day 3).
I am not concerned with the Jewish ideas of reckoning. The scripture give us Christ’s understanding after no man.
I don’t think I am confused in this matter which it would seem you are saying in every matter?
Christ meaning; "the anointed” as the one who does the work of anointing us is the anointing Holy Spirit of God. Christ in God is not a man as us as if we did need a man to teach us.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26
From above....Even as it "the anointing Holy Spirit of God, Christ" has taught us we abide in Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
One Spirit one God.
2Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Again, anointing Spirit of the living God, Christ.
There are many verses that indicate they are one in the same Holy Spirit. Christ is an attribute of God who does the teaching comforting and bringing to mind the things He has taught us.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Joh 16:7
Christ the anointing comforter
The phrase as a idiom “heart of the earth” does not mean a person has been dead three days according to the sign of Jonas.. Jonas suffered the sufferings of hell . He did not die but was vomited onto the shore as if he had been born again
Your thoughts?
I don’t think I am confused in this matter which it would seem you are saying in every matter?
Christ meaning; "the anointed” as the one who does the work of anointing us is the anointing Holy Spirit of God. Christ in God is not a man as us as if we did need a man to teach us.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26
From above....Even as it "the anointing Holy Spirit of God, Christ" has taught us we abide in Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
One Spirit one God.
2Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Again, anointing Spirit of the living God, Christ.
There are many verses that indicate they are one in the same Holy Spirit. Christ is an attribute of God who does the teaching comforting and bringing to mind the things He has taught us.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Joh 16:7
Christ the anointing comforter
The phrase as a idiom “heart of the earth” does not mean a person has been dead three days according to the sign of Jonas.. Jonas suffered the sufferings of hell . He did not die but was vomited onto the shore as if he had been born again
Your thoughts?
So, to show proof that yes, the BIBLE does mention of a gathering on the first day of the week, and that Paul was teaching, here you go.
"And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Acts 20:7
Now does this mean that this is when Christians started to worship on Sunday? I'll leave that up to your interpretation. However, many use this verse to show that Sunday was beginning to be the day of Worship.
"And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Acts 20:7
Now does this mean that this is when Christians started to worship on Sunday? I'll leave that up to your interpretation. However, many use this verse to show that Sunday was beginning to be the day of Worship.
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I agree, except this is not really a question of human influence. Christ was the Messiah of the Jews. It only makes sense that we should look into the Jewish customs and methods of reckoning time during the life of Christ. Who is to say that your ideas or my current view of reckoning time are better or more accurate than the Jewish system? Think about this: if Christ rose from the dead exactly 72 hours later to satisfy our modern sense of time, the Jews of his day would have said he didn't even keep his own promise that he would raise again three days later. If we don't have that proper understanding of culture and practices of those during the life of Christ we are likely to come up with erroneous views. We can't always read scripture through the lens of our modern understanding. The Scripture states he rose again in 3 days. If you know how they reckoned time during this era, you realize it had to be on Sunday. This is just logic and common sense.
We must also read subsequent verses to Acts 20v7 to get the true picture of this meeting together on the first day of the week...see v11 telling us it was a gathering for a MEAL and Paul eating and talking a long while. They had already had their 'worship meeting' (as you call it) a few hours before on the Sabbath.
It may well have given rise to a 'mistaken belief which 'ungodly men used to subvert the church, for the early Christians were 'mere Babes in fighting a spiritual enemy. Even today they are still captives !
It may well have given rise to a 'mistaken belief which 'ungodly men used to subvert the church, for the early Christians were 'mere Babes in fighting a spiritual enemy. Even today they are still captives !
It only makes sense if we employ human reasoning...but scripture says something else.
Are you ASSUMING Jesus died on a friday ? then sunday would make perfect sense.
It matters not how people (Jews) reckoned time, it matters only that we believe scripture, the Word of God. Do you know all the scriptures pertaining to Jesus' death, burial and resurrection....or do you just believe what others tell you ?
Are you ASSUMING Jesus died on a friday ? then sunday would make perfect sense.
It matters not how people (Jews) reckoned time, it matters only that we believe scripture, the Word of God. Do you know all the scriptures pertaining to Jesus' death, burial and resurrection....or do you just believe what others tell you ?
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Let's do our best to be polite and not imply negatives. I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's not profitable for us to accuse each other of being ignorant of Scripture or only following traditions of men. So far, I have stated nothing that defies Scripture. I answered your initial question because you seemed uncertain as to how we account for the three days. I don't claim to be a Bible scholar. That being said we can know with all certainty from Scripture that Christ was crucified on Friday. How so? The gospels record that the Jews went to Pilate and requested that he send soldiers to break the legs of the thieves and Christ and remove them from the cross before the start of the Sabbath. Jews considered the Sabbath to start Friday at sundown. Of course, we know that Christ had already died and didn't have his bones broken. Thus, Christ was already dead before the start of the Sabbath
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The churches I grew up in, if I remember correctly, claimed Christ died on either a Wednesday or Thursday, depending on how you took the Jewish time frame. I also remember learning this in my first year of college. However, they completely rejected idea of Christ dying on a Friday, because there could not have been 3 days and 3 nights. And while more non-catholic churches are currently accepting the belief that it was Good Friday Christ died, I don't completely accept it, as there is a night missing.
(Friday day, Friday Night, Saturday Day, Saturday Night, Sunday Morning. )
(Friday day, Friday Night, Saturday Day, Saturday Night, Sunday Morning. )
