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Nor does the parable of the fig tree suggest fruit, but leaves.
Now read again the purpose:
"I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake,"
And event so stunning, that in light of the fulfillment thereof "even the heathen" shall know He is Lord.
Now look at the order:
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you.....
That's false. They didn't "take it out" at all. The reason I confidently say Jews and Christians understand Daniel's beasts to have been Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and the Roman Empire is from inquiring of Jews in a Jewish forum.
Your doctrine forces you to deny objective reality. The fact is that 6 million Jews rule Israel today.
So the only question you need to ask yourself is as to whether the restoration of Jews to their land of God, as those Reformers I quoted anticipated centuries before that restoration began, or is it of Satan?
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Lie? I have witnesses that spoke to them. They had NO CLUE that christians believed they were going to rebuild the temple. And they made it clear. they are not even ALLOWED to read daniel!
they thought we were against it.. Most people in Isreal see the catholic church and other large churches as Christianity. and all the stuff which comes with it (like we are seeing in here) contrary to what many believe in here, the outreach of the so called "dispensationalists" who are trying to force prophesy to come true have very little weight in Isreal and the common people.
lol.. I do not have to answer either. Until the jews (whoever they are) have repented, come to their God, and admitted the sin of their fathers, and are all worshiping the messiah who came 2000 years ago. Prophesy is still unfulfilled.. all we have is speculation which can not be proven scripturally.
they thought we were against it.. Most people in Isreal see the catholic church and other large churches as Christianity. and all the stuff which comes with it (like we are seeing in here) contrary to what many believe in here, the outreach of the so called "dispensationalists" who are trying to force prophesy to come true have very little weight in Isreal and the common people.
lol.. I do not have to answer either. Until the jews (whoever they are) have repented, come to their God, and admitted the sin of their fathers, and are all worshiping the messiah who came 2000 years ago. Prophesy is still unfulfilled.. all we have is speculation which can not be proven scripturally.
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I mean it has not happened yet.. If it is not fulfilled. then fulfillment must yet be in the future..
Daniel was told of a few gentile kingdoms who would take power. He only lived through the first two kingdoms.. Thus the fulfilment of the others would be future to him.. Just like the fulfilment of the prophesy you posted is future to us.
unless we spiritualise it and say it will not literally be fulfilled. which many do.
Daniel was told of a few gentile kingdoms who would take power. He only lived through the first two kingdoms.. Thus the fulfilment of the others would be future to him.. Just like the fulfilment of the prophesy you posted is future to us.
unless we spiritualise it and say it will not literally be fulfilled. which many do.
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I did temper my words, unfortunately after you saw the - nonetheless true - accusation.
Don't be ridiculous! Read it online from their Tanach here and discuss it with Jews in their forum like I did:
Daniel - Chapter 1 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
Every Christian should recognize that no future temple could ever be sanctified, since Jesus built our temple in three days, almost 2,000 years ago, just as He said He could.
Then I recommend that you set aside the pop-approaches to bible prophecy of futurism and preterism, and take a little time out to consider bible prophecy through the traditional historicist approach, of all Jews and Christians to Old Testament prophecy, and the church - including the Reformers for New Testament prophecy - up until a couple hundred years ago when the pop-eschatologies of preterism and futurism began to come into vogue.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...onal-approach-historicism-bible-prophecy.html
Don't be ridiculous! Read it online from their Tanach here and discuss it with Jews in their forum like I did:
Daniel - Chapter 1 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
Every Christian should recognize that no future temple could ever be sanctified, since Jesus built our temple in three days, almost 2,000 years ago, just as He said He could.
Then I recommend that you set aside the pop-approaches to bible prophecy of futurism and preterism, and take a little time out to consider bible prophecy through the traditional historicist approach, of all Jews and Christians to Old Testament prophecy, and the church - including the Reformers for New Testament prophecy - up until a couple hundred years ago when the pop-eschatologies of preterism and futurism began to come into vogue.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...onal-approach-historicism-bible-prophecy.html
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Jeremiah 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
1. Are the people of Jacob following Gods law and his commands? We can easily say no thus God has not written in on their hearts and their will)
2. Does the people of Isreal live in a time in which they do not have to teach their neighbor about God (and Christ who died for them) we can easily say no.
has any of this happened in any time in history since the babylonian captivity? the answer is no.
thus it must be yet in the future (as romans 11 even says it will be)
1. Are the people of Jacob following Gods law and his commands? We can easily say no thus God has not written in on their hearts and their will)
2. Does the people of Isreal live in a time in which they do not have to teach their neighbor about God (and Christ who died for them) we can easily say no.
has any of this happened in any time in history since the babylonian captivity? the answer is no.
thus it must be yet in the future (as romans 11 even says it will be)
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Is that a joke? Ahmadinejad, for example, considers it his duty to create a state of global chaos and misery unprecedented in human history, in order to provide the proper environment to usher in the 12th Imam or Mahdi. He considers it his job to start WW3 without caring a whit about the fate of himself or his people or anybody else.
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they know it. but they continue to not get it.. it is called their willful blindness.. They think they are right with God by their law.. thus they STILL do not need Christ. Thats why they keep adding laws and words to try to make sure they obey Gods laws.. and have been since they returned from babylon
they are still looking for King Messiah who will free them from captivity and give them peace..they still do not understand they need the suffering servant to save them from eternal damnation because of their sin..
they are still looking for King Messiah who will free them from captivity and give them peace..they still do not understand they need the suffering servant to save them from eternal damnation because of their sin..
rachel....i never said there weren't internal rivalries and fighting and disagreements.
i was referring to a different common denominator - one that ultimately unites and over-rides any differences - fear and loathing of gentiles....a teaching from within that there's an irrational ever-present danger waiting to crash down at any time.
i'm not going to argue this.
i was referring to a different common denominator - one that ultimately unites and over-rides any differences - fear and loathing of gentiles....a teaching from within that there's an irrational ever-present danger waiting to crash down at any time.
i'm not going to argue this.