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#81
Angela it's clear there's anger and hate in your tone. Like I stated in my post i only come here to arrive at what's true. No brownie points. I'm here in my own to discuss and live in tolerance and peace. Obviously that doesn't sit well with you.
Hate and anger? I sense none in Angela's post. You're projecting your hatred for Christianity onto her and others here. Stop it now.
 
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Sleepy, stop being a troll. You have no right to preach such nonsense in a Christian forum or to be so rude. You've met intelligent Christians and because you don't agree with what they say, you call them stupid. That's juvenile, grow up!
Like Satan, he knows that his time here is short....so what does he really have to loose...:)
 
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Sleepy, who brought you to the quran?
Deadtosin I can say that I am extrny blessed to have been shown the true path by God. Like many Muslims I was born Muslim. Born and raised in America and knew the basics but not the beauties of the morals, virtues an his an individual should live his life in such a world. To live with kindness and respect. To give to the poor. To always speak against injustice. To live a life to strive for wisdom and knowledge. That is what Islam is

1. One God
2. No other being can e associated with that God. No human being can comprehend what God looks like
3. Give to the poor
4. God sent down 124,000 Prophets to preach the word of God. Prophet Moses peace be upon him, Prophet Noah are amongst the famous ones, David

5. These Prophets were infallible. Free from sin. As Prophets of God they are the human beings that know God's Word perfectly and follow it perfectly. They wouldn't be Prophet and have no respect from the people if they sinned

6. Do not ever attack innocent people. God does not like transgressors. Self defense is the only tone when you can fight.

7. Live with morals and virtues. Abstain from pork and alcohol
 
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The Quran is the final word of God
We are told, even within the pages of the Koran itself, that the Koran (i.e. ‘the collection’) is a mere fabrication – which is an open admission that it is not the original.

Sura 10 is an excellent example of this.

The ayahs leading up to 10.37 are discussing “alhaqqi” (i.e. The Truth), of which we are told refers to only Jesus Christ (4.171).

This is fact.

Therefore, 10.37 is also a continuation of a discussion of Jesus Christ, as thus…


وما كان هذا القرءان أن يفترى من دون الله ولكن تصديق الذي بين يديه وتفصيل الكتب لا ريب فيه من رب العلمين

Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena

10.37 And that this was the collection, that fabricated one, from superior (to) “allah”, and but (a) confirmation (of) Him in His presence, and explaining The Book, no doubt in it, from the lord of the jinn and of mankind.




The first thing that we observe in this ayah is that the Koran (i.e. “alqur-anu” i.e. ‘the collection’) is called a fabrication (yuftara).

Further, this ayah states that ‘the collection’ is shown to be superior to “allah”, but still is a confirmation (tasdeeqa) of Him (allathee i.e. Jesus Christ) in His presence “bayna yadayhi”.

What this means is that while the Koran is admittedly a fabrication of the previous scriptures (i.e. it is not divine in any manner whatsoever), it still contains the Biblical message of Jesus Christ.

Further still, ‘the collection’ is said to explain (tafseela) The Book (alkitabi i.e. The Holy Bible) – of which, the Holy Bible is stated to contain no doubt whatsoever in it (la rayba feehi).

Finally, this ayah concludes with the admission that ‘the collection’ (i.e. the fabrication) is from “allah” lord of the jinn (demons).

Thus….this ayah does nothing to support the false Islamic claims that the Koran was divinely inspired.

It does, however, promote the divine origin of the Holy Bible, and 'The Truth' of Jesus Christ.
 
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#85
Sleepy, stop being a troll. You have no right to preach such nonsense in a Christian forum or to be so rude. You've met intelligent Christians and because you don't agree with what they say, you call them stupid. That's juvenile, grow up!
She's telling me to leave. I haven't come here to troll anybody. Simply to have a pure discussion with true verses from both the Bible and the Quran. I haven't called anybody stupid either so do not lie or accuse me of false things
 
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Simply to have a pure discussion with true verses from both the Bible and the Quran.
Please show us some 'true' verses from the Holy Bible that you trust are from God.
 
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We are told, even within the pages of the Koran itself, that the Koran (i.e. ‘the collection’) is a mere fabrication – which is an open admission that it is not the original.

Sura 10 is an excellent example of this.

The ayahs leading up to 10.37 are discussing “alhaqqi” (i.e. The Truth), of which we are told refers to only Jesus Christ (4.171).

This is fact.

Therefore, 10.37 is also a continuation of a discussion of Jesus Christ, as thus…


وما كان هذا القرءان أن يفترى من دون الله ولكن تصديق الذي بين يديه وتفصيل الكتب لا ريب فيه من رب العلمين

Wama kana hatha alqur-anu an yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqa allathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi la rayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena

10.37 And that this was the collection, that fabricated one, from superior (to) “allah”, and but (a) confirmation (of) Him in His presence, and explaining The Book, no doubt in it, from the lord of the jinn and of mankind.




The first thing that we observe in this ayah is that the Koran (i.e. “alqur-anu” i.e. ‘the collection’) is called a fabrication (yuftara).

Further, this ayah states that ‘the collection’ is shown to be superior to “allah”, but still is a confirmation (tasdeeqa) of Him (allathee i.e. Jesus Christ) in His presence “bayna yadayhi”.

What this means is that while the Koran is admittedly a fabrication of the previous scriptures (i.e. it is not divine in any manner whatsoever), it still contains the Biblical message of Jesus Christ.

Further still, ‘the collection’ is said to explain (tafseela) The Book (alkitabi i.e. The Holy Bible) – of which, the Holy Bible is stated to contain no doubt whatsoever in it (la rayba feehi).

Finally, this ayah concludes with the admission that ‘the collection’ (i.e. the fabrication) is from “allah” lord of the jinn (demons).

Thus….this ayah does nothing to support the false Islamic claims that the Koran was divinely inspired.

It does, however, promote the divine origin of the Holy Bible, and 'The Truth' of Jesus Christ.
Another lie and false translation. How amusing lol


" And it was not possible for this Quran to be produced by other than Allah, but it is a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the former scripture., about which there is no doubt from The Lord of the Worlds."

Real translation^

It's honestly very amusing to see you get false translations. Amusing but I've never seen any Christian do that while being serious.
 
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He asked you about the Koran....NOT islam.

The two are mutually exclusive...
Another lie and false statement. Islam came through the Quran. Islam is inherent within the Quran.

The true teachings of the bible are the ones that talk about the Ten Commandments. Some things about the other Prophets. The miracles that Jesus was performed. About his mother, Mariam. About Moses. The Egyptians. The parting of the sea. Other things as well
 
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Another lie and false translation. How amusing lol


" And it was not possible for this Quran to be produced by other than Allah, but it is a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the former scripture., about which there is no doubt from The Lord of the Worlds."

Real translation^

It's honestly very amusing to see you get false translations. Amusing but I've never seen any Christian do that while being serious.

Knowing that your god ‘allah’ is ‘rabbi alAAalameena’ (i.e. lord of the jinn – which are demons) as declared in the opening chapter of the Koran, as thus…


الحمد لله رب العلمين

Alhamdu lillahirabbi alAAalameena

1.2 The praise (be) to ‘allah’, the lord of the jinn, and of mankind.


And….knowing that the lord of the demons is Satan….Please explain how it is that your god‘allah’ is also proclaimed to be an idol, as thus…



قل أئنكم لتكفرون بالذي خلق الأرض في يومين وتجعلون لهأندادا ذلك ربالعلمين

Qul a-innakum latakfuroona biallatheekhalaqa al-arda fee yawmayni watajAAaloonalahu andadan thalikarabbu alAAalameena

41.9 Say: "Truly you denied with whom hecreated the earth in two days, and you truly set up his idols, this, the Lord of the jinn, and of mankind?


Seems your very own book of faith is declaring that if you worship the ‘allah’ of the Koran then you are actually worshipping an idol of the devil.
 
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Sleepy, my religious background exists as "catholic school from Kindergarten til the beginning of 2nd grade." We moved away and praying and mass stayed where we left it. Later in life I began seeking the truth. I didn't want to be right I just wanted the truth. One day Jesus Christ touched my heart and helped me when I was helplessly hopeless. After that I've had experience after experience with Jesus and some other experiences where satan and demons were present. See my profile if you wish to read a bit.

Jesus Christ (your self proclaimed prophet and MY GOD) brought me to the bible -Not the other way around.

I will pray for you.
 
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Islam came through the Quran.
Actually, islam is a poor attempt at understanding the Koran.




Islam is inherent within the Quran.
No, it is not.





The true teachings of the bible are the ones that talk about the Ten Commandments.
Then the NT is true because Jesus, Himself, references the commandments.







Some things about the other Prophets.
Like what?





The miracles that Jesus was performed.
Like what?




About his mother, Mariam. About Moses. The Egyptians. The parting of the sea. Other things as well

We don't want robotic cookie-cutter blanket statements....show us specific scripture.....unless you admit to parroting islam...
 
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#93
Knowing that your god ‘allah’ is ‘rabbi alAAalameena’ (i.e. lord of the jinn – which are demons) as declared in the opening chapter of the Koran, as thus…


الحمد لله رب العلمين

Alhamdu lillahirabbi alAAalameena

1.2 The praise (be) to ‘allah’, the lord of the jinn, and of mankind.


And….knowing that the lord of the demons is Satan….Please explain how it is that your god‘allah’ is also proclaimed to be an idol, as thus…



قل أئنكم لتكفرون بالذي خلق الأرض في يومين وتجعلون لهأندادا ذلك ربالعلمين

Qul a-innakum latakfuroona biallatheekhalaqa al-arda fee yawmayni watajAAaloonalahu andadan thalikarabbu alAAalameena

41.9 Say: "Truly you denied with whom hecreated the earth in two days, and you truly set up his idols, this, the Lord of the jinn, and of mankind?


Seems your very own book of faith is declaring that if you worship the ‘allah’ of the Koran then you are actually worshipping an idol of the devil.
Another false translation. Which is the status quo with you

Though God is The Lord of the Jinn as well. He's the God of everybody whether they accept it or not including the devil. The Jinn were beings made of fire who live on this planet as well. They knew King Solomon as well and the devil is actually a Jinn himself. There are good jinn on this plane and bad jinn

What people consider ghosts are actually Jinn. And they are very real.
 
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Another false translation. Which is the status quo with you

Though God is The Lord of the Jinn as well. He's the God of everybody whether they accept it or not including the devil. The Jinn were beings made of fire who live on this planet as well. They knew King Solomon as well and the devil is actually a Jinn himself. There are good jinn on this plane and bad jinn

What people consider ghosts are actually Jinn. And they are very real.
Jinn are demons.

If your 'allah' is Lord over the demons, then he is Satan himself, as declared in the Biblical Book of Revelation - from which >75% of your Koran was copied from...
 
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Sleepy, my religious background exists as "catholic school from Kindergarten til the beginning of 2nd grade." We moved away and praying and mass stayed where we left it. Later in life I began seeking the truth. I didn't want to be right I just wanted the truth. One day Jesus Christ touched my heart and helped me when I was helplessly hopeless. After that I've had experience after experience with Jesus and some other experiences where satan and demons were present. See my profile if you wish to read a bit.

Jesus Christ (your self proclaimed prophet and MY GOD) brought me to the bible -Not the other way around.

I will pray for you.

Buddhists and hi she claim to be enlightened and at peace too. Meaning people of different religions which may or not be true claim to have feelings of being happy through their religion. Which goes to show the power of belief in general. Mehar you felt is not an indication of Christianity being the religon of God and that goes for people of other religion as well. The true peace can only be found through Islam
 
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Jinn are demons.


If your 'allah' is Lord over the demons, then he is Satan himself, as declared in the Biblical Book of Revelation - from which >75% of your Koran was copied from...
That's your guys belief in demons an Satans army which he commands. In Islam Satan has no little dominions known as demons because he doesn't have that type of power. In Christianith you try to make him a rival to God

And say that Hell is Satan's Kingdom. Untrue again. God has appointed an angel to oversee hell and Satan will just be another one of those who burn in there. You glorify him as a leader lol
 
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Mystical creatures like demons..that's a pagan belief. As is the idea that God has a son.
 
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That's your guys belief in demons an Satans army which he commands. In Islam Satan has no little dominions known as demons because he doesn't have that type of power. In Christianith you try to make him a rival to God

And say that Hell is Satan's Kingdom. Untrue again. God has appointed an angel to oversee hell and Satan will just be another one of those who burn in there. You glorify him as a leader lol

Why are so many chapters in the Koran named in honor of the devil and his demons, then?