Jesus and the Bible
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The Koran contains at least nine suras named in honor of the Devil and his demons:
Thus, one must have to wonder exactly why a “holy” book would give honor to the devil and his demons in the first place……right?
- Sura 1 “The Opening”….named in honor of Satan
- Sura 16 “The Swarm”…named in honor of demons
- Sura 31 “The Devourer”…named in honor of Satan
- Sura 44 “The Rising Evil”…named in honor of demons
- Sura 72 “The Demons”…named in honor of demons
- Sura 100 “The Horses of the Warriors”…named in honor of demons
- Sura 104 “The Accuser”…named in honor of Satan
- Sura 113 “Hell”…named in honor of Satan
- Sura 114 “The People”…named in honor of Satan
Thus, one must have to wonder exactly why a “holy” book would give honor to the devil and his demons in the first place……right?
feeling? no sir, I was blinded on the side of a highway by a homeless man dressed in tattered robes. For three days my friends and I had dreams that manifested into reality, there were 5 of us involved. one of which was blinded beside me by the homeless man. Just before he tranced out and said "THUS SAYS THE LORD" he was telling us how he left his life behind 30 years before. I can't help you to see the truth of what I'm telling you. But I can and will pray for you and everybody else.
Sleepy, you totally misunderstood me. I just wanted a honest answer, and I hope I got it. I would much rather discuss religious issues with people who are here freely. I guess you don't know the history of this forum, but we just had some JW's again creating threads and arguing they are right and mainstream Christians are wrong. There was no give and take, which is what it was beginning to sound like with you, which is why I asked. And they used their corrupted New World Living Translation, which is just wrong in the Greek, which I do read. So that is the hornet's nest you walked into!
The only problem is the truth is Jesus Christ, born a man, healed the sick and the lame, preached the gospel to the poor, and asked for repentance and total commitment to those who would follow him.
That is the only truth that really matters - Jesus Christ, crucified on the cross (not Judas in his place) raised from the dead on the third day, seen by many over 500 and ascended to heaven where he sits at the right hand of the Father, interceding for his people day and night.
I was actually delighted you came in. I had hoped we could show you the real Jesus, not the watered down one. I hoped we could discuss the differences between Allah and YHWH, between the Qur'anic Jesus (Isa) and the Biblical Jesus.
I can see that is not happening here. Because you are so resistant to the truth. Jesus told his disciples to wipe the dirt off their sandals and leave if they were not well received.
We received you with love, trying to show you the error of your ways and you turned around and called us false, liars and many other names.
I pray one day you will know that God is love (1 John 4:8,16). I pray you will understand the incarnation of God was a miraculous happening, that saved humanity forever.
I apologize if I seemed harsh. And thank you for answering my question, I was not sure what the motive was!
The only problem is the truth is Jesus Christ, born a man, healed the sick and the lame, preached the gospel to the poor, and asked for repentance and total commitment to those who would follow him.
That is the only truth that really matters - Jesus Christ, crucified on the cross (not Judas in his place) raised from the dead on the third day, seen by many over 500 and ascended to heaven where he sits at the right hand of the Father, interceding for his people day and night.
I was actually delighted you came in. I had hoped we could show you the real Jesus, not the watered down one. I hoped we could discuss the differences between Allah and YHWH, between the Qur'anic Jesus (Isa) and the Biblical Jesus.
I can see that is not happening here. Because you are so resistant to the truth. Jesus told his disciples to wipe the dirt off their sandals and leave if they were not well received.
We received you with love, trying to show you the error of your ways and you turned around and called us false, liars and many other names.
I pray one day you will know that God is love (1 John 4:8,16). I pray you will understand the incarnation of God was a miraculous happening, that saved humanity forever.
I apologize if I seemed harsh. And thank you for answering my question, I was not sure what the motive was!
Tintin, you're lying and being dishonest. That post doesn't imply I think Christians are stupid. I simply said what was true the Christians I've talked to so far are strange because they've been giving false translations of the Quran which normal Christians don't even do when you're having a discussion. If you don't have an open enough mind to understand that than is your problem
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Jesus is the fleshly creation of God (The Son) and God the creator/ The eternal spirit is ( The Father) in the Godhead.
Jesus is the " Express Image" of the Eternal Spirit ( John 4 v 24)
Jesus is God in a fleshly body, and Let' s The Spirit teach us. But he and that Spirit are ONE, and not One of TWO (John 10 v 30)
" My Father ( My Spirit) and I The flesh) are ONE" also read I Timothy 3 v 16:
"........God was manifest in THE FLESH........"
So when you say, " Jesus did not know EVERYTHING" you are in error.
Jesus himself stated: " But the Holy Ghost, whom the Father shall send in my name, Shall teach you ALL things....."
Jesus is the " Express Image" of the Eternal Spirit ( John 4 v 24)
Jesus is God in a fleshly body, and Let' s The Spirit teach us. But he and that Spirit are ONE, and not One of TWO (John 10 v 30)
" My Father ( My Spirit) and I The flesh) are ONE" also read I Timothy 3 v 16:
"........God was manifest in THE FLESH........"
So when you say, " Jesus did not know EVERYTHING" you are in error.
Jesus himself stated: " But the Holy Ghost, whom the Father shall send in my name, Shall teach you ALL things....."
Jesus's purpose, the work he was Baptized for was to show us Father, through him. Jesus was and is the only perfect flesh that ever walked the face of this earth. The first Adam failed. But Jesus, the second Adam did not Fail. And is by his being justified in the Spirit from God the Father at the resurrection is our only way to Father, since we are in unredeemed flesh here on earth.
It is through Christ's finished work here on earth in the flesh that we who believe are made alive in the Spirit of God by God the Father.
If we are asking God for this new life in God, with just to know God, no other motive involved. God already said through Son that if we seek God's Kingdom above all else, then all of our needs will be supplied.
So then I need to say to me, what are my needs?
Is it a new Job, better money, a good spouse, everyone to like me and many other earth desires.
When in all reality what is it that all want the most? Would it be life everlasting? So how can that be unless we decide to die to self. The seed has no life unless it fall into the ground and die. So are we willing to die to self and be alive to God?
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
It is through Christ's finished work here on earth in the flesh that we who believe are made alive in the Spirit of God by God the Father.
If we are asking God for this new life in God, with just to know God, no other motive involved. God already said through Son that if we seek God's Kingdom above all else, then all of our needs will be supplied.
So then I need to say to me, what are my needs?
Is it a new Job, better money, a good spouse, everyone to like me and many other earth desires.
When in all reality what is it that all want the most? Would it be life everlasting? So how can that be unless we decide to die to self. The seed has no life unless it fall into the ground and die. So are we willing to die to self and be alive to God?
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
- John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations - John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Do you believe the verses below:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.
But Saul did meet him on the road to Damascus
[h=3]Acts 9:1-6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: [SUP]4 [/SUP]and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [SUP]5 [/SUP]And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
[h=3]Acts 9:1-6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: [SUP]4 [/SUP]and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [SUP]5 [/SUP]And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.