FreeGrace2 said:
I was hoping you would take my challenge and quote the verse and put in ( ) the words you thing "coming" and "gathering" mean, so everyone will know what you think the verse means.
So far, you haven't done so.
I wish people would quit saying that, because as of yet, no one has.
Hold on a minute. Where in this passage in 1 Thess 4 do you even find the mention of heaven? It's not there. What you've bolded doesn't refer to heaven anyway. You think heaven needs or has "air"? The clouds and air refer clearly to earth's atmosphere.
Jesus comes to earth's atmosphere with all the dead saints, and raptures up the living saints.
In fact, the ONLY VERSE that indicates when all this occurs is 2 Thess 2:1.
You have NO verse to justify your words "the previously raptured ones".
What you are doing is conflating different passages that can't be joined.
Amen! This is where Jesus prepares to descend to earth, which is the SECOND ADVENT, with all the dead saints already in heaven.
You didn't meet my challenge. The challenge was to quote 2 Thess 2:1 and put in ( ) your understanding of what the words "coming" and "gathered" mean to you. So I will see how you understand that verse.
Here's my take on it:
Concerning the coming (Second Advent) of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered (rapture) to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
Now your turn. If "coming" and "gathered" don't refer to the Second Advent and the rapture, then what do they refer to?
I was hoping you would take my challenge and quote the verse and put in ( ) the words you thing "coming" and "gathering" mean, so everyone will know what you think the verse means.
So far, you haven't done so.
I wish people would quit saying that, because as of yet, no one has.
Hold on a minute. Where in this passage in 1 Thess 4 do you even find the mention of heaven? It's not there. What you've bolded doesn't refer to heaven anyway. You think heaven needs or has "air"? The clouds and air refer clearly to earth's atmosphere.
Jesus comes to earth's atmosphere with all the dead saints, and raptures up the living saints.
In fact, the ONLY VERSE that indicates when all this occurs is 2 Thess 2:1.
You have NO verse to justify your words "the previously raptured ones".
What you are doing is conflating different passages that can't be joined.
Amen! This is where Jesus prepares to descend to earth, which is the SECOND ADVENT, with all the dead saints already in heaven.
You didn't meet my challenge. The challenge was to quote 2 Thess 2:1 and put in ( ) your understanding of what the words "coming" and "gathered" mean to you. So I will see how you understand that verse.
Here's my take on it:
Concerning the coming (Second Advent) of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered (rapture) to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
Now your turn. If "coming" and "gathered" don't refer to the Second Advent and the rapture, then what do they refer to?
Meeting your challenges is not on my to-do list. I am simply trying to clear things up for all those you have been befixed and befuddled with your convoluted imaginations.
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