Jesus did not say follow preachers, He said follow Me.
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Hmmm. not sure how I mislead you so badly. In my mid thirties, God found me. I was not looking for God but suddenly through a friend I was introduced just as a lark really. He was a long time Christian. so it seemed ok
that first time. And then another time. Then I needed more. So enrolled in bible study, which I attended for
ten years. So I am well versed on scripture. I use it often as meditation. I read two or three versed than
put bible down and I sense God. I sense Him through those words. I never hear anything because when we
are in the Spirit, words mean nothing. There is a powerful intimate connection through that scripture.
occasionally I use scripture for information for tutoring a couple of people. I am not one bit against scripture
but I am against making scripture people's God. If you recall the Pharisees, they knew the scriptures inside
our but they didn't know God. Please know that I am not selling you anything here. I am sure you will find
your way as I detect you are set in where your path is. So I just wanted to straighten out my journey so far.
By the way, I don't know if you go to the miscellaneous room, I have two poems posted there if you are
interested. I have written many but only posted two for now. All are Christian.
that first time. And then another time. Then I needed more. So enrolled in bible study, which I attended for
ten years. So I am well versed on scripture. I use it often as meditation. I read two or three versed than
put bible down and I sense God. I sense Him through those words. I never hear anything because when we
are in the Spirit, words mean nothing. There is a powerful intimate connection through that scripture.
occasionally I use scripture for information for tutoring a couple of people. I am not one bit against scripture
but I am against making scripture people's God. If you recall the Pharisees, they knew the scriptures inside
our but they didn't know God. Please know that I am not selling you anything here. I am sure you will find
your way as I detect you are set in where your path is. So I just wanted to straighten out my journey so far.
By the way, I don't know if you go to the miscellaneous room, I have two poems posted there if you are
interested. I have written many but only posted two for now. All are Christian.
Hello Guojing, I'm not sure if you are a "red letter" Christian, but whether you are or not, do you know of the existence of any true contradictions between the things that St. Paul wrote and the things that the Lord Jesus said (and/or the standard verses/passages that a "red letter" Christian might point to as being contradictory) 
Thanks!
~Deut
p.s. - here are the Lord Jesus and St. Paul talking about the same, important subject, salvation. While Paul uses a somewhat different wording than the Lord did, I would hardly call their words "contradictory", rather, I would say that they are complimentary in both cases, wouldn't you?
Thanks!
~Deut
p.s. - here are the Lord Jesus and St. Paul talking about the same, important subject, salvation. While Paul uses a somewhat different wording than the Lord did, I would hardly call their words "contradictory", rather, I would say that they are complimentary in both cases, wouldn't you?
John 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." ~Jesus Christ
Romans 10
9 If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. ~The Apostle Paul
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A lot of people do.. But that does not change the point that Paul's words are either the inspired words of God and thus they have authority for Christians or Paul did not speak the Words of God and His letters can be thrown out.. No half way measures here.. One is either with Paul or they are against Him..
The alternative is to find a man who has studied scripture and ancient history to be sure he understands what the prophets meant and let him lead you in verse by verse study of ALL scripture, old and new testament. Understand how the testaments work together. Then read the reports of all the Christian councils to see if they changed scripture, checking why and how they did it. I did this, it is WELL worth the time and effort. Constantine had great influence and there are copies of his letters so we can track what he did and why. With all this study, keep the word as truth, check everything against that word.
Hello Guojing, I'm not sure if you are a "red letter" Christian, but whether you are or not, do you know of the existence of any true contradictions between the things that St. Paul wrote and the things that the Lord Jesus said (and/or the standard verses/passages that a "red letter" Christian might point to as being contradictory)
Thanks!
~Deut
p.s. - here are the Lord Jesus and St. Paul talking about the same, important subject, salvation. While Paul uses a somewhat different wording than the Lord did, I would hardly call their words "contradictory", rather, I would say that they are complimentary in both cases, wouldn't you?
Thanks!
~Deut
p.s. - here are the Lord Jesus and St. Paul talking about the same, important subject, salvation. While Paul uses a somewhat different wording than the Lord did, I would hardly call their words "contradictory", rather, I would say that they are complimentary in both cases, wouldn't you?
John 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." ~Jesus Christ
Romans 10
9 If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. ~The Apostle Paul
You can also find complementary passages if you so desire, the most popular is of course John 3:16, but it does not change that fact.
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat, therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do,
but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
(Matthew 23:2-3)
if Jesus tells those under Moses to do everything the pharisees tell them to do, shall we not do what the apostles tell us to do? we are not under Moses, but whose seat do the apostles sit in?
There is no contradiction in the Gospels and Paul's writings. The Gospels are the recorded life and history of the saviour who was himself under Law and came to FULFILL IT. During this time the act of repentance was preached by this disciples, and the miracles of Jesus were the signs of the Christ, and the fulfillment of all prophecy concerning him. AFTER the resurrection, the Gospel under Grace came in effect. The Holy Spirit was not given to the MASSES, until after Jesus' resurrection. John 7: 37-39.
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Who are you to judge another person? You are violating Scripture with your judgement.
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Romans 14:10-13, "You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Yes, that means you, Scribe.
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Romans 14:10-13, "You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Yes, that means you, Scribe.
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Relic, this would be a good time for you to surrender your heart to Jesus Christ completely and to embrace the bible as the divinely inspired word of God from Genesis to Revelation.
2 Tim 3:1All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
If you preach what Paul preached you can expect someone to misapply and misinterpret judgment scriptures at you. They are conditioned to this reaction from cultural responses of those who do not understand the judgment verses. We are called to warn people of the judgment to come. Your DO NOT JUDGE responses do not scare me away from preaching the whole counsel of God including telling people that if they believe they do not have to follow what Paul said because he is not Jesus they are on the highway to hell. For SURE. TURN BACK NOW. before it is too late.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 cor 6:9-10) PAUL
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21) PAUL
2 Tim 3:1All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
If you preach what Paul preached you can expect someone to misapply and misinterpret judgment scriptures at you. They are conditioned to this reaction from cultural responses of those who do not understand the judgment verses. We are called to warn people of the judgment to come. Your DO NOT JUDGE responses do not scare me away from preaching the whole counsel of God including telling people that if they believe they do not have to follow what Paul said because he is not Jesus they are on the highway to hell. For SURE. TURN BACK NOW. before it is too late.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 cor 6:9-10) PAUL
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21) PAUL
I believe we need to have Relic spell out what it is that he disagrees with in Paul's writings.
Relic has stated that it is not a sin for him to disagree with Paul, yet Relic will not specify what it is that is so disagreeable to him ...
In Post #28, Relic stated (referring to Scripture other than the gospels) "They are there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it".
In Post #40, Relic stated "As I say I follow Paul in his help for my beginning in Christianity. But it is not a sin for me to disagree with Paul."
In Post #51, Relic stated "I stand by all I have posted to date."
In Post #78, Relic stated "we are now living under grace and not the law. at no time or placed did I say we should get rid of his letters. we are to use them as guides and not laws."
In Post #82, Relic stated "I have a right to disagree with whoever I want without penalty."
I have asked Relic to let us know what he disagrees with in Paul's writings (Post #75). However, Relic will not state what he disagrees with.
And it might be that Relic does not disagree with what was written by Paul, and what he disagrees with is that some people continue to hold themselves under law in their handling of Scripture.
But Relic needs to clarify because it is one thing to consider Scripture as "there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it" --- not true.
and it is another thing to disagree with people who continue under law in handling Scripture --- true.
@Relic, please clarify. thanks.
Relic has stated that it is not a sin for him to disagree with Paul, yet Relic will not specify what it is that is so disagreeable to him ...
In Post #28, Relic stated (referring to Scripture other than the gospels) "They are there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it".
In Post #40, Relic stated "As I say I follow Paul in his help for my beginning in Christianity. But it is not a sin for me to disagree with Paul."
In Post #51, Relic stated "I stand by all I have posted to date."
In Post #78, Relic stated "we are now living under grace and not the law. at no time or placed did I say we should get rid of his letters. we are to use them as guides and not laws."
In Post #82, Relic stated "I have a right to disagree with whoever I want without penalty."
I have asked Relic to let us know what he disagrees with in Paul's writings (Post #75). However, Relic will not state what he disagrees with.
And it might be that Relic does not disagree with what was written by Paul, and what he disagrees with is that some people continue to hold themselves under law in their handling of Scripture.
But Relic needs to clarify because it is one thing to consider Scripture as "there to help and guide us and accept their assistance or not accept it" --- not true.
and it is another thing to disagree with people who continue under law in handling Scripture --- true.
@Relic, please clarify. thanks.
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